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International US Warned Ukraine Not to Attack Nord Stream Pipeline

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Do you understand how time works? A lot of things happened since then.

That was before the massive Russian intelligence operation to interfere with our election and others since 2012 campaign. During that period the West was trying to normalize relations with Russia still, obviously that was a mistake to try and work with Putin.

Even still, that was wrong, China was and still is a more serious competitor than Russia.
 
Do you understand how time works? A lot of things happened since then.

That was before the massive Russian intelligence operation to interfere with our election and others since 2012 campaign. During that period the West was trying to normalize relations with Russia still, obviously that was a mistake to try and work with Putin.

Even still, that was wrong, China was and still is a more serious competitor than Russia.
The problem is that China isn't in core more dangerous for West than Russia.
They does need russia as proxy to apply pressure on west and for them beautiful is russia in current condition.
If will manage to subjugate at least part pf Ukr, will be more usable as vassal for China. To threat west and supply commodities with discounts to China....also ofc good for China etc will be later to turn Russia and It's occupied areas into chinatown de facto...with chinesse number higher than number of locals.
 
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How do you think sanctions are supposed to work?
 
Cause mass inflation and destroy your citizens financially like is happening to us all right now?

I’d attribute it more to the U.S. printing more money in an 18 month time span than in the 240 years or so prior. It’s a bonkers number and even crazier that it was just allowed to happen. Like, what the fuck did anyone expect to result from that?

The only thing the U.S. relies on Russia for is a boogeyman to justify another gorillion dollars for the MIC. That’s about it.

And they’re doing a piss poor job of that right now.
 
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From what information I can find the area in question is about 100 meters down. That is just the beginning of saturated diving depth and many divers achieve that depth without mixed gas.

So, the logistics of going out on a sailboat with a small crew of divers is an incredibly simple plan.

They cannot be simultaneously capable of resisting the armed forces of the second/third largest military in the world and also incapable of taking ten guys with basic scuba gear out onto a sail boat.

As far as finding out where it’s located, I can find its approximate location via google. If it was the mission to destroy it as part of a war effort I’m quite sure they could find more specific information. It was a large scale endeavor with thousands of people involved. It wasn’t developed in secret at a black ops site and then the contractors were executed afterwards.
Couldn't be done on a sailboat in the Baltic in September. Look at the average wind speed. How much anchor would you have to manually drop?
 
Couldn't be done on a sailboat in the Baltic in September. Look at the average wind speed. How much anchor would you have to manually drop?

Legit concerns bud

I’m not finding anything with a higher average than 17 MPH with gusts of 28. Are you finding anything higher than that for an average?

With that wind speed you’d need something with some size to it, at least 40+ feet I would think. So, not impossible there, but you would need a skilled boat crew.

You bring up a good point about the anchor length. I believe you’d need something like three hundred meters or more to anchor with any security. That’s a lot for small boat at under 50’ or so.

Good points my man. I still don’t think these two factors make it impossible for a war-effort military operation. I would like to hear from a sailor with a lot of experience on open ocean. I was technically a sailor but I didn’t go on the water. So…
 
Legit concerns bud

I’m not finding anything with a higher average than 17 MPH with gusts of 28. Are you finding anything higher than that for an average?

With that wind speed you’d need something with some size to it, at least 40+ feet I would think. So, not impossible there, but you would need a skilled boat crew.

You bring up a good point about the anchor length. I believe you’d need something like three hundred meters or more to anchor with any security. That’s a lot for small boat at under 50’ or so.

Good points my man. I still don’t think these two factors make it impossible for a war-effort military operation. I would like to hear from a sailor with a lot of experience on open ocean. I was technically a sailor but I didn’t go on the water. So…

My point was that it couldn't have been the sailboat that is the current German theory. Imagine being on that thing, in rough seas, with divers underwater, presumably at night. At least 500 pounds of anchor and chain. Bobbing around trying to look for your divers as they surface? It had to be a bigger vessel.
 
Why speculate when the evidence is right in front of you?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401

Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site

Russian ships able to perform underwater operations were present near to where explosions later took place on the Nord Stream pipelines, according to an investigative documentary.

The vessels were reportedly located using intercepted Russian navy communications.

Underwater explosions last September knocked the two Nord Stream pipelines - built to carry gas from Russia to Europe - out of action.

The cause of the blasts is unclear.

Formal investigations are still taking place in countries close to the blast site. So far, they have said only that they believe the explosions were the result of sabotage rather than any kind of accident.

But one possible lead pointing towards Russian involvement has emerged from details of suspicious Russian ship movements in the run-up to the Nord Stream blasts, reported by four Nordic public broadcasters and an accompanying English-language podcast Cold Front.

And Denmark's Defence Command has confirmed a separate report that a Danish patrol boat called Nymfen took 26 photos of a Russian submarine-rescue ship in the area days before the explosions. The Information website said the SS-750 had sailed from Kaliningrad and was close to Bornholm island on 22 September 2022.

The investigation by Denmark's DR, Norway's NRK, Sweden's SVT, and Finland's Yle focuses on the movements and actions of ships between June and September last year which they describe as highly unusual.

The ships are believed to include the Russian naval research vessel Sibiryakov, the tugboat SB-123, and a third ship from the Russian naval fleet that the media outlets have not been able to identify by name.

These were so-called "ghost-ships", which had their transmitters turned off. The broadcasters, however, say they were able to track their movements, using intercepted radio communications the vessels sent to Russian naval bases.

The first vessel departed from a Russian naval base in Kaliningrad before arriving near the pipeline on 7 June.

One radio message places it directly above Nord Stream 2 before moving further north, close to the Nord Stream 1 pipelines, spending hours in the area where the pipeline runs about 80m (260ft) below the surface and where some of the leaks would later occur.

The Sibiryakov arrived on 14 June and went to the same position as the first vessel, close to Nord Stream, and remained there until the next day.

The movements were tracked by a former British naval intelligence officer, who worked on interception of the Russian Baltic Fleet until he retired in 2018. The anonymous officer says he used open-source information and radio communications to carry out his research.

He says the pattern of radio communications in June indicated they were in an "operational phase" at some points.

The tugboat, the SB-123, sailed out to the area on the evening of 21 September. The broadcasters say they intercepted communications that suggest it was operating close to the pipelines and the areas of the explosion from late that evening until around 14:00 on 22 September.

The tugboat is also mentioned in the Information story about the SS-750 submarine-rescue ship, which followed up a German report in March of suspected Russian involvement in the area.

Satellite imagery examined by the broadcasters is said to support the claims about the unusual routes, and other reports in Germany had claimed it was in the area on 21-22 September.

The Sibiryakov is believed to be capable of underwater surveillance and mapping as well as launching a small underwater vehicle. It can be used to support and rescue submarines and has the ability to carry out operations on the seabed, according to experts interviewed by the broadcasters.

The Nordic broadcasters do not say there is conclusive proof of what the vessels were up to or that Russia was behind the blast. But the documentary raises questions about the unusual nature of the activity.

Last month the series revealed that Russian vessels appeared to be mapping out wind farms in the North Sea, including off the UK coast.

Russia has consistently denied any involvement in the blasts.

In the immediate aftermath, some in the West pointed the finger at Russia, while Moscow blamed Western countries, including the UK.

More recently, there were reports that intelligence pointed towards pro-Ukrainian operatives, although not the Ukrainian government itself.

Based on the hard evidence I don't think even the most highly trained USA navy seals or British SAS could pull this off undetected. Let alone a Ukrainian team.
 
My point was that it couldn't have been the sailboat that is the current German theory. Imagine being on that thing, in rough seas, with divers underwater, presumably at night. At least 500 pounds of anchor and chain. Bobbing around trying to look for your divers as they surface? It had to be a bigger vessel.

I agree. A larger, engine driven vessel would be considerably better. I was just theorizing based on the “sailboat” bit of supposed intel.

I would think the anchor chain could weigh even more!
 
I agree. A larger, engine driven vessel would be considerably better. I was just theorizing based on the “sailboat” bit of supposed intel.

I would think the anchor chain could weigh even more!
Could have been a ship like this one? The one spotted just a few days before the explosion at the explosion site?!?!
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Nah, a bunch of inexperienced Ukrainians in a chartered sailboat makes more sense....
 
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Could have been a ship like this one? The one spotted just a few days before the explosion at the explosion site?!?!
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Nah, a bunch of inexperienced Ukrainians in a chartered sailboat makes more sense....

I think trying to blame some Ukrainians in a rented sailboat is pretty silly, regardless of who pulled it off.
 
Could have been a ship like this one? The one spotted just a few days before the explosion at the explosion site?!?!
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Nah, a bunch of inexperienced Ukrainians in a chartered sailboat makes more sense....
lol you idiots will fall for anything.

Yes, I am going to conduct a covert operation which will certainly result in tens of billions of dollars of long, painful international litigation and provoke countless geopolitical repercussions, not to mention damage my vital strategic interests and my national pride, so I'm DEFINITELY going to send a SURFACE SHIP with a mini-submarine painted in BRIGHT RED AND WHITE stripes, so I can make sure every commercial satellite in the known universe can spot me even if they are not trying to!
 
lol you idiots will fall for anything.

Yes, I am going to conduct a covert operation which will certainly result in tens of billions of dollars of long, painful international litigation and provoke countless geopolitical repercussions, not to mention damage my vital strategic interests and my national pride, so I'm DEFINITELY going to send a SURFACE SHIP with a mini-submarine painted in BRIGHT RED AND WHITE stripes, so I can make sure every commercial satellite in the known universe can spot me even if they are not trying to!

Lmao, L after L after L. Change your name again buddy.

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