Crime United States - 45,000 gun deaths every year

[wildchild88]

then USA has more of a suicide problem than a gun problem

they should ban suicide

...

You’re right, gun violence is a non issue, we should keep loving America and move on.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

There you have it, the United States has the equivalent of a small civil war’s worth of gun casualties every year. In 2022 there was 48,000 gun deaths.

In China there is between 100-200 gun deaths a year (private gun ownership is banned).

How many deaths due to stupidity, poor health and safety, people being run over by trucks, andd suicides in china?

Also would like to know how many of the gun deaths in America, are not suicides but also from legally owned guns.

 

[Stoic1]

Do you have wet dreams about people breaking into your home?

No, man.

You know, as a gun owner, I can't get it up.

 

[HomeCheese]

So let's bury the head on the sand because you don't like the fact, black people kill much much more than whites. Therefore is not the actual fault of the gun that's just an object but the people who pull the trigger.

Wait, let me get this straight. Since people of color have a higher rate of committing gun violence they are the problem and that easy access to a gun has nothing to do with it. This is how you feel?

Why are people of color in other societies less violent than Americans? How is this still not an American problem? What about the white Americans that commit gun violence and kill themselves, you want to ignore these peeps?

 

[Loiosh]

- Yes. Just dont askme why would you need a knife, besides to peel some fruit.

Open boxes.

 

[nostradumbass]

Wait, let me get this straight. Since people of color have a higher rate of committing gun violence they are the problem and that easy access to a gun has nothing to do with it. This is how you feel?

Why are people of color in other societies less violent than Americans? How is this still not an American problem? What about the white Americans that commit gun violence and kill themselves, you want to ignore these peeps?

Huh? Black people have the highest violent crime rates in every country, but the US obviously has much more of them than other developed countries, and black majority countries have higher murder rates than everyone else.

If you remove the black murders from the US, suddenly our murder rate isn't much higher than Canada’s even though guns are legal here for everyone else too.

 

[terrapin]

It so much easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife.

It's even easier if you're allowed to carry that gun, because you're not allowed to carry knives in sane countries.

Anyone can kill with anything, but nothing makes it easier and few things are more lethal than guns.

Any alternative is better.

In these divided times, I don't think it's possible to make a sane argument for getting rid of guns.

I am all for sane regulation of guns, licensure of guns and especially a requirement to keep guns in safes in homes where people can't get to them.

But now in these present times a person should have a gun. I bought an extra gun and ammo just because of how crazy things are getting.

@Siver!
@Siver!
@Siver!

 

[b-hop]

The argument that certain groups are 'too violent' to be entrusted with certain rights has historically been weaponized to uphold systems of oppression. Modern anti-2A arguments that cite violence as a reason to limit gun rights echo this historical pattern. In the past, people pointed to uprisings like the Nat Turner Rebellion as justification for depriving black slaves of the same rights enjoyed by white citizens. Another example would be the 'Black Codes.' In 2025, we see similar arguments deployed to deprive citizens of their constitutional rights—consider states like Massachusetts, New York, Illinois, California, Colorado, Washington, and more. These states justify restricting the rights of their citizenry by invoking 'violence.' Now, as then, the people championing that oppression feel a sense of righteous indignation, I am sure.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." — Thomas Paine

Yes i agree with you, while they kill much more than white people, they should still have the same rights as everyone else.

My point is when people bring up gun violence and violence in general in the US specially comparing to countries with better demographics with less immigrants too, without looking at who actual use violence(the guns doesn't shoot themselves).

 

[terrapin]

In public, that is.

Why would anyone want to live in a society where people carried around knives? Or any weapon?

I don't think you're a man if you're asking that question. I genuinely can't understand a person who would not want to be able to defend his wife or child from marauders burglars and such....

I think you must live in a completely neutered country to be talking like this.

 

[Siver!]

I don't think you're a man if you're asking that question. I genuinely can't understand a person who would not want to be able to defend his wife or child from marauders burglars and such....

I think you must live in a completely neutered country to be talking like this.

LOL

I have protected my wife and daughter just fine, weirdo, and never with want of a weapon.

Maybe you live in the Wild West, or a shithole.

 

[terrapin]

LOL

I have protected my wife and daughter just fine, weirdo, and never with want of a weapon.

Maybe you live in the Wild West, or a shithole.

I have also protected people without a knife or a gun, but the thing about having a weapon is that it equalizes everyone and makes it so you could defend against multiple attackers or people who could better you.

I genuinely think there's something wrong with any man who believes that carrying a weapon is wrong to protect the weak and loved ones.

 

[Siver!]

I have also protected people without a knife or a gun, but the thing about having a weapon is that it equalizes everyone and makes it so you could defend against multiple attackers or people who could better you.

I genuinely think there's something wrong with any man who believes that carrying a weapon is wrong to protect the weak and loved ones.

You sound fully indoctrinated.

They made you feel like you need (ie, should buy) weaponry.

Thankfully I have not been mind fucked, and also apparently live in much less fear.

Real men don't need weapons - at least not here.

 

[terrapin]

You sound fully indoctrinated.

They made you feel like you need (ie, should buy) weaponry.

Thankfully I have not been mind fucked, and also apparently live in much less fear.

Real men don't need weapons - at least not here.

This is a disingenuous talking point based on false assumptions. You might just as well have not responded at all.

I have thought deeply about this topic over many years. I have also been attacked completely unprovoked more than once in my life. You have to get rid of the violence problem before you get rid of the weapon problem otjerwise you are neutering people who would otherwise be able to defend themselves. The argument to get rid of weapons before violence is solved in the human condition is a naive argument in my opinion.

But it's also the arrogance of it that bothers me because I don't have any problem with you being a man and being unable to defend your family against me, If I were a villain, or some other villain with a weapon, that's a choice you can make as a man and that's your choice, although I think it's the wrong choice.

But while you have the right to make the choice you make, which I think is a choice for weakness and a naive choice, and you try to force that choice upon others through legislation... then you become a problem to everybody.

 

[Siver!]

This is a disingenuous talking point based on false assumptions. You might just as well have not responded at all.

I have thought deeply about this topic over many years. I have also been attacked completely unprovoked more than once in my life. You have to get rid of the violence problem before you get rid of the weapon problem otjerwise you are neutering people who would otherwise be able to defend themselves. The argument to get rid of weapons before violence is solved in the human condition is a naive argument in my opinion.

But it's also the arrogance of it that bothers me because I don't have any problem with you being a man and being unable to defend your family against me, If I were a villain, or some other villain with a weapon, that's a choice you can make as a man and that's your choice, although I think it's the wrong choice.

But while you have the right to make the choice you make, which I think is a choice for weakness and a naive choice, and you try to force that choice upon others through legislation... then you become a problem to everybody.

This is one of the most unhinged posts I can remember reading recently.

I'm not escalating the animosity, this just... makes no sense.

"I don't have any problem with you being a man and being unable to defend your family against me" literally two posts after stating "I don't think you're a man if you're asking that question." What in the self-contradiction is going on there?

Are you just typing emotionally here and trying to get a rise?

I too have been attacked before in a completely unprovoked manner, and because people generally don't carry weapons, do you know what the lasting effect was? Bruises, maybe, possibly on the body but largely on the ego. So what? I got attacked, who cares? I've still never felt in real danger despite the fact violence exists.

I don't know what to tell you man. If you think you've thought deeply on it but can't understand that (assuming you're American) you have been indoctrinated into a nation where weaponry is BIG BUSINESS and big business that needs people like you to think you need things like weapons, I don't know what to tell you. Have you missed the entire context of your life when thinking about it deeply? You don't think you might have been led to a point where you feel you need to have a weapon to protect yourself "to be a man", to paraphrase you, and that that isn't fucking weird?

We have no common ground here, quite clearly. I'd say you are way too far gone to hold reasonable discourse, and I'm sure you feel the same about me. But hey. I don't waste money on weapons I don't need, yes, I am a man with a family, and I protect them perfectly well without shitting my pants about a worst case scenario incident that simply isn't gonna happen.

 

[Bacco]

How many knife deaths in China?

6 for each Kung Fu movie

 

[terrapin]

This is one of the most unhinged posts I can remember reading recently.

I'm not escalating the animosity, this just... makes no sense.

"I don't have any problem with you being a man and being unable to defend your family against me" literally two posts after stating "I don't think you're a man if you're asking that question." What in the self-contradiction is going on there?

Are you just typing emotionally here and trying to get a rise?

I too have been attacked before in a completely unprovoked manner, and because people generally don't carry weapons, do you know what the lasting effect was? Bruises, maybe, possibly on the body but largely on the ego. So what? I got attacked, who cares? I've still never felt in real danger despite the fact violence exists.

I don't know what to tell you man. If you think you've thought deeply on it but can't understand that (assuming you're American) you have been indoctrinated into a nation where weaponry is BIG BUSINESS and big business that needs people like you to think you need things like weapons, I don't know what to tell you. Have you missed the entire context of your life when thinking about it deeply? You don't think you might have been led to a point where you feel you need to have a weapon to protect yourself "to be a man", to paraphrase you, and that that isn't fucking weird?

We have no common ground here, quite clearly. I'd say you are way too far gone to hold reasonable discourse, and I'm sure you feel the same about me. But hey. I don't waste money on weapons I don't need, yes, I am a man with a family, and I protect them perfectly well without shitting my pants about a worst case scenario incident that simply isn't gonna happen.

Tell me you have a tiny mind without telling me you have a tiny mind.

I can see your position and I think you have the right to hold it because my mind is not so small that I cannot see your perspective. The problem with you is you have such a tiny mind and love in such a small world that you can't think that you could be correct and someone else could also be correct for them holding a different position.

I outgrew that kind of tiny minded thinking when I was 20. How old are you now? And are you still so small that you can't think outside of your own position?

So again, you have every right to be unable to defend yourself or your family and I would gladly protect you and your family for you if it came down to that. What you don't have a right to do is to try to legislate that for everyone. At that point you're arrogance and small-mindedness becomes a problem.

 

[Romulas]

There you have it, the United States has the equivalent of a small civil war’s worth of gun casualties every year. In 2022 there was 48,000 gun deaths.

In China there is between 100-200 gun deaths a year (private gun ownership is banned).

How many are there if you remove black men under 40 from that statistic?

 

[Siver!]

Tell me you have a tiny mind without telling me you have a tiny mind.

I can see your position and I think you have the right to hold it because my mind is not so small that I cannot see your perspective. The problem with you is you have such a tiny mind and love in such a small world that you can't think that you could be correct and someone else could also be correct for them holding a different position.

I outgrew that kind of tiny minded thinking when I was 20. How old are you now? And are you still so small that you can't think outside of your own position?

So again, you have every right to be unable to defend yourself or your family and I would gladly protect you and your family for you if it came down to that. What you don't have a right to do is to try to legislate that for everyone. At that point you're arrogance and small-mindedness becomes a problem.

I think you think you're being far more reasonable than you are. You aren't.

Your default position was to question someone's manhood. That's not mature or grown up in any way. It's very childish. You don't need weapons to be a man, if anything, if you can get by without them then you're probably the "bigger guy" to continue this infantile logic.

Your other default is "I need an equalizer". That doesn't sound manly to me. You get your "equalizer", I'll be just fine without - as I have been my entire life.

When I then to try to explain to you why you might feel the need for that "equalizer", you get even more defensive, which again, isn't massively mature like you seem to think.

You kinda came at me in this conversation like you felt like you had a big dick swinging between your knees, but I haven't seen anything of substance to explain why you feel like you do, hence I consider it bog-standard indoctrination. I haven't seen much maturity or wisdom from you at all here, and suggest you might not be the sage you're suggesting in the post above.

And finally, at no point have I mentioned legislation or taking your guns off you, that's simply your own insecurity talking. I'm British. Your weapons don't affect me in any way, nor will they ever affect me, why would I want to take them away from you? My argument is I'd never want them, I don't think anyone needs them, and I never want weapons legalized in the UK.

That's not being arrogant and small-minded. You're projecting that on to me because it looks like those are two of your base emotions when it comes to debating weaponry that you obviously feel so deeply attached to (which I'd consider a serious red flag about any person I met in real life).

 

[HomeCheese]

Huh? Black people have the highest violent crime rates in every country, but the US obviously has much more of them than other developed countries, and black majority countries have higher murder rates than everyone else.

If you remove the black murders from the US, suddenly our murder rate isn't much higher than Canada’s even though guns are legal here for everyone else too.

That still only counts for half the gun deaths. It's easy to make an argument if you ignore some of the facts. Either way, black men are still Americans and it is all of our problem.

What race generally makes and sells guns? I have never been to a gun shop owned by a person of color.

 

[terrapin]

I think you think you're being far more reasonable than you are. You aren't.

Your default position was to question someone's manhood. That's not mature or grown up in any way. It's very childish. You don't need weapons to be a man, if anything, if you can get by without them then you're probably the "bigger guy" to continue this infantile logic.

Your other default is "I need an equalizer". That doesn't sound manly to me. You get your "equalizer", I'll be just fine without - as I have been my entire life.

When I then to try to explain to you why you might feel the need for that "equalizer", you get even more defensive, which again, isn't massively mature like you seem to think.

You kinda came at me in this conversation like you felt like you had a big dick swinging between your knees, but I haven't seen anything of substance to explain why you feel like you do, hence I consider it bog-standard indoctrination. I haven't seen much maturity or wisdom from you at all here, and suggest you might not be the sage you're suggesting in the post above.

And finally, at no point have I mentioned legislation or taking your guns off you, that's simply your own insecurity talking. I'm British. Your weapons don't affect me in any way, nor will they ever affect me, why would I want to take them away from you? My argument is I'd never want them, I don't think anyone needs them, and I never want weapons legalized in the UK.

That's not being arrogant and small-minded. You're projecting that on to me because it looks like those are two of your base emotions when it comes to debating weaponry that you obviously feel so deeply attached to (which I'd consider a serious red flag about any person I met in real life).

my default position is that you think everyone is brain washed unless they think like you do. that IS the sign of low intelligence OR a tiny closed mine. in your case it is not intelligence that is the problem, it is the tiny mind... the closed mindedness.

I did come at you hard and question your manhood but that is NOT my default position. that just me fucking with you because you have a closed arrogant mind. in reality I don't care at all that you cant defend your wife of child in many situations. that is your choice to make. as long as you are not trying to legislate that (in your own country) then you have the right to make that choice for the inability to help the weak in many situations.

as to my defensiveness? thats the LIE you are telling about my inner motivations... but it comes back to your tiny mind. you cannot conceive of anyone using logic and reason to come to a decision to have something on their person to defend themselves or others with. but a tiny closed and arrogant mind obviously would not be able to think outside of its own perceived necessary conclusion and opinion. that's kind of the consequence of a tiny mind.

thats what you have done here.

I can see how a reasoned person could come to the conclusion to have a self defense item on their person.
I can see a reasoned person making the decision not to do so.

--that's big mind

you cannot conceive of a reasoned person coming to the thoughtful conclusion to carry a self defense item. you think a person could only possibly think that way if they were indoctrinated. you think your position is the only reasoned one.

--that's tiny mind.