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Such ignorance please link data to back up your claim .
Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC
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He’s probably the worst poster don’t waste your timeUm, yes? When you're advocating for using another system, you're kind of supposed to consider that it causes more deaths than it prevents.
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The ends dont justify the means in Christianity if that is what you are asking.
Sorry, got pulled into a real life live action re-enactment of a video game with my boys... its serious business.
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If the rule is that even the hopper or runner is helping destroy lives then the rule still applies.
Second comment is true but as we are not God that is often misused as is a great many things imo.
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If you have an opinion, state it. But I would suggest you really think about this flawed logic before you join the revolutionary jerk circle.
Does your congressman take money from the healthcare lobbies? How about your state congress?
To address your earlier question. Your state's legislature process can alter many things when it comes to healthcare. Just one example is Utah, they passed laws to address surprise billing, and another for short term state level health insurance. I'm sure it's not perfect but that's a step in the right direction. Keep in mind the LDS mormons tend to push for stuff like this, they are unified on many things
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You tell me. Do you need help reading the thread? The other poster claimed "most Americans want a single payer system", which isn't true, then several other posters claimed it was such an awesome system, and you chime in calling it "whatabouts" to point out that it causes more deaths than it prevents.
BTW, even the "26,000 deaths are caused from not having insurance" is crap. That is just the number of young people who opt out of paying for insurance because they don't think they'll need it, and also didn't catch a disease early enough. Correlation is not causation, and the number runs entirely on both the assumptions that they don't have insurance because they couldn't afford it, and that if they did have insurance, 100% of them would have been going to the doctor all the time to get diagnosed earlier. We know that's not the case, because the numbers are pretty similar among people who do have insurance and still don't get a disease diagnosed early enough.
And people who don't have insurance have nothing to do with some guy from an insurance company getting gunned down. People are conflating an insurance company not reimbursing somebody's medical bills with people who don't have any insurance in the first place.
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Well we're all going to die eventually anyway. Did you look at those numbers? 35.3% "perceived burden on family, friends or caregiveers" and 3.3% "emotional distress/anxiety/fear". That's fucking horrific.The vast majority of people in Canada who choose medically assisted suicide do so because they have cancer or some other condition that's totally wrecked their lives, not because they don't or can't get treatment for their condition.
One important criterion to be eligible for MAID in Canada is that one must have a grievous and irremediable medical condition. In 2022, around 63 percent of those who received MAID had cancer, while 19 percent suffered from a cardiovascular condition. Furthermore, 86 percent of those who received MAID in 2022 had lost the ability to engage in meaningful activities and 82 percent could no longer perform activities of daily living. The elderly account for the majority of medically assisted deaths in Canada, and in most cases, natural death is reasonably foreseeable.
Medically assisted deaths number Canada 2016-2022 | Statista
In 2022, there were 13,241 medically assisted deaths in Canada.www.statista.com
If you look at the chart on the following link, somewhere around 95%-97% of those who chose to die are listed as "natural death is reasonably foreseeable", in other words, they had terminal conditions and were likely going to die anyway.
Medically assisted deaths Canada by age 2022 | Statista
In 2022, around 1,814 medically assisted deaths were performed among those aged 65 to 70 years in which natural death was reasonably foreseeable.
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I mean, there are rules under individuals coverage that get followed. You can’t just blame the ceo for his organization following their playbooks. The market should be penalizing companies for poor coverage and bad outcomes for employees and families.
The ceo has little visibility to individual coverage decisions.
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Rules are exploited. There's not even a sound justification for why health insurance even exists as it doesn't temper the market in any way advertised. Right now people are opting out surgeries because they cant afford their co-pays. So why even have it? It really smells like a means to funnel money upward. A scheme. Fraud. Just happens to be fraud supported by a legal structure that removes a mechanism of accountability. And people die.
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Your congressman is going to do dick all of shit to hurt the insurance companies.
Between health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, they spent over $500 million lobbying (bribing) in 2023 alone lol.
Health insurance shouldn't be a thing at all. The only good way to handle "health insurance" is for everyone to pay into the same system instead of having insurance companies fragmented with different plans and splitting up bargaining power against the healthcare providers. The only people it serves are the assholes making money at the insurance companies.
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Of course they are judged and sin is always criticized. Rich man and Lazarus to the man planning on building more storehouses. I'm not saying he says any of it is ok haha. He largely left govt alone but not because he didnt disagree with them. He didnt come for that purpose. Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesars and God which are God's. He even told Pilate you would have no authority except which was given you from above. There was no democracy at the time so the people just under rule. He even says its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven because of what all riches and power bring. He said plenty on the subject. The verses in question are related to all of us. Whether its the poor widows offering or seeing someone in need. It is all relatable to everyone and not just the rich in those verses. It is not about the money but what one does. Ultimately he says we all have the responsibility in those verses. Sorry, dont mean to derail the thread.
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All insurance is the same and I agree that its a flawed system. A lady backed into me a few months back. The damage was minimal. She would likely pay a deductible that would fix it rather than the insurance. I let it go because she didnt look like she could pay it easily.
On the flip side...insurance companies have relatively low profit margins which is why most are big because they can do the volume to make money. Medical care costs are attached to that industry as well as car insurance. Its not a scam but.. again, I hate them like the rest of the people. The margins are much worse than other industries though I believe.
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I’ve listened to a fair number of exposes about the health insurance industry. It’s possible I’ve heard of him or his exploits before now but I don’t memorize these people. Since the shooting a lot has come out and it sounds like he might have been bad even by industry standards.
I dont think vigilante justice is a good thing. I think the right thing to do was have regulations in place an a government that polices these actions. I think what these companies do is often tantamount to negligent homicide or man slaughter.
But the government doesn’t do its job here. The legal system currently works against the average person and protects these people. So now the question is vigilantism ok when there is such an egregious failing in our system? And as far as the slippery slope concern goes, I can tell you I wouldn’t shed a tear for a lot of other people out there exploiting the poor and the vulnerable for profit and getting away with it because the system lets them do something that every American knows is morally abhorrent.
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how about a new rule - if you put a 500% or more markup on products you sell, when access to those products can mean life or death, it's a free for all on your ass.
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Do you have a source for 12,000 assisted suicides? That seems incredibly high
Unless they’re counting do not rececitates on old people as assisted suicides?
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I think the point is not whether it was right or wrong or that the CEO was killed...
I think what matters here is that this is absolutely what is going to happen and is going to happen more often as people start to realize that the system is rigged against them....
With all the mass shootings that happened in this country, I have often been shocked that CEOs like this are not the target of them and have thought it's inevitable that at some point it's going to happen.
I would not at all be surprised if this is the beginning of a trend of wealthy people being killed.
Whether it's right or wrong to me is almost not the point. The point is that when you have a system that has this much wealth inequality and disparity, this is inevitably the result that we're going to see. So if we want to prevent this kind of killing then we have to prevent people being denied healthcare for nefarious b******* reasons, we have to have a system that is just for everybody and not just the wealthy.
We can lament this murder all we want but it's almost besides the point. This is what is going to happen unless the system is changed. And to condemn the murder without addressing the causes is not justice at all.
I think what matters here is that this is absolutely what is going to happen and is going to happen more often as people start to realize that the system is rigged against them....
With all the mass shootings that happened in this country, I have often been shocked that CEOs like this are not the target of them and have thought it's inevitable that at some point it's going to happen.
I would not at all be surprised if this is the beginning of a trend of wealthy people being killed.
Whether it's right or wrong to me is almost not the point. The point is that when you have a system that has this much wealth inequality and disparity, this is inevitably the result that we're going to see. So if we want to prevent this kind of killing then we have to prevent people being denied healthcare for nefarious b******* reasons, we have to have a system that is just for everybody and not just the wealthy.
We can lament this murder all we want but it's almost besides the point. This is what is going to happen unless the system is changed. And to condemn the murder without addressing the causes is not justice at all.
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I don’t think it’s been stated how they came to the conclusion it was the same guy. I’m guessing they have good reason to believe it but your question is a valid one.
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This is the part that gets fun. IIRC, health insurance companies have their profits regulated to some extent by the ACA and other regulations which is why they don't have 50% profit margins like some banks and tech companies. Which means the best way for them to make more money is to increase their revenue, and they do that by making everything more expensive through price fixing and other illegal anti-competitive practices. This is why they charge you $300 for an Advil or band-aid at the hospital. It's all illegal and has been ruled as such by the Supreme Court, but since no one goes to jail and only token fines are paid...well...here we are.
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Was 13,241 for 2022. They talk about "growth" like they're at a shareholders' meeting pitching an increase in sales.
Fourth annual report on Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada 2022 - Canada.ca
This Fourth Annual Report on Medical Assistance in Dying presents data for the 2022 calendar year collected under the 2018 Regulations for the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying.
Growth in the number of medically assisted deaths in Canada continues in 2022.
- In 2022, there were 13,241 MAID provisions reported in Canada, accounting for 4.1% of all deaths in Canada.
- The number of cases of MAID in 2022 represents a growth rate of 31.2% over 2021. All provinces except Manitoba and the Yukon continue to experience a steady year-over-year growth in 2022.
- When all data sources are considered, the total number of medically assisted deaths reported in Canada since the introduction of federal MAID legislation in 2016 is 44,958.
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