Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

[HockeyBjj]

Murder weapon is this pistol. The assassination footage makes more sense now.

No. That’s definitely not the murder weapon. He had a normal semi auto that wouldn’t cycle. Not a designed single shot gun.

 

[KnightTemplar]

No. That’s definitely not the murder weapon. He had a normal semi auto that wouldn’t cycle. Not a designed single shot gun.

Correct. I believe the murder weapon was based on the single-shot Welrod, but as you say designed to cycle rounds every time it's fired. The reason the killer had to work the action manually is because a subsonic round sometimes doesn't produce enough gas to cycle the next round.

 

[NoSmilez]

No. That’s definitely not the murder weapon. He had a normal semi auto that wouldn’t cycle. Not a designed single shot gun.

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No. That’s definitely not the murder weapon. He had a normal semi auto that wouldn’t cycle. Not a designed single shot gun.

The investigators released the info. That is what they believe is the murder weapon.

 

[I Am Legion]

They have his face, it's just a matter of time now. I am no fan of Health Insurance companies. But to wish murder on someone is fucked up. Especially considering there are so many factors besides company greed...The Government interferes (obama Care) Doctors order unnecessary tests to make up for HMOs and PPOs, we have illegals that get Health Care and never pay because they have no insurance etc.

 

[Blayt7hh]

They have his face, it's just a matter of time now. I am no fan of Health Insurance companies. But to wish murder on someone is fucked up. Especially considering there are so many factors besides company greed...The Government interferes (obama Care) Doctors order unnecessary tests to make up for HMOs and PPOs, we have illegals that get Health Care and never pay because they have no insurance etc.

Brother, there is no excuse for the shit a lot of these companies are doing. It’s not to hard to find expose on the dirty stuff they do to deny claims.

This CEO was killing a lot more people than this gunman. The difference is the way he killed people didn’t make a shockingly brutal twitter clip

 

[pinger]

In Australia hostel usually refers to accommodation with shared rooms, we typically think of back packer accommodation.

As a rule, won't have kitchenette or bathroom in the rooms, but have communal facilities

 

[Phlog]

Yeah, but you guys have UHC

True, but still, wanting a person assassinated because they are working in an industry whose existence you lament seems backwards. Sorta blaming a victim.

Dude, with all due respect, healthcare just exists for you. It's not like that here. It's a business and people suffer and die from those business practices daily. We're unlike any other developed nation on earth in that regard. Enjoy your system and don't let it ever be taken from you.

Yes, but it's the assassination of a person working in a profitable industry, who's legally obliged to return the best possible for shareholders? Someone else can just do that job. They'll probably pay them more in danger money and they'll be legally obliged to continue increasing profits.

And thats exactly the crime they've beneffited. Murdering people to benefit shareholders. Has it ever occcured you to good people aren't okay with shareholder capitalism? And that people morality isn't defined by the law?

Health insurers are committing a silent genocide. And peoples reactions are proof of this. When you kill 68,000 people a year in silence they all have friends and family. And over time those friends and family start to add up.

And the last paragraph really means "do all this meaningless bullshit that doesn't work".

Health insurers are not the problem, the system they operate within is the problem. A CEO isn't involved in the decision making. This is smoke and mirrors to make you not address the effect of money on your democracy.

Don't really see anything weird about it at all. When you are responsible for screwing over and causing the death of so many people for so long I can completely understand this reaction. People don't want to hear what's legal and to start campaigning when their loved one died because of some greedy corporation finding loopholes to avoid having to save your loved one.

He was required by law to ensure the best returns possible, legally, for their shareholders. He could not do the job, but they pay a lot of money to get someone to agree to the role. They'll pay more if they have to.

People don't want to address the cause because they're distracted or made to believe it's intractable.

This has already been done. We've already had many laws passed which make this shit illegal and a number of cases have already gone all the way up the Supreme Court where it was ruled that all the bullshit the US healthcare & insurance industry engages in is fucking illegal under black letter law. All that's happened is the healthcare corporations pay a few token fines for blatantly breaking more laws than I care to count.

The legal options have been exhausted and non-violent oppositions & protests have failed. The next logical step is the incident in the OP. Welcome to how actual social progress in the US happens - everything from worker's rights, civil rights & equality, and abolishing slavery only happened after enough people started getting shot.

That's fair (in bold). But I don't think the rest is true. I think removing the influence of money on politics is the core effort. State funding of election campaigns. Making it illegal for politicians to benefit financially from their political decisions.

State funding of healthcare.

Americans will sanction assassination of essentially a well compensated victim before they countenance socialism.


And don't think I believe health insurance CEOs are morally good, I just believe that's irrelevant, one does not run a country on expecting people to act in others best interests.

 

[Croo67]

This is how humans historically have settled things.

I’m not advocating something like this, but perhaps it being such a rarity is why so many are being ripped off and let down.

 

[Darkavius]

They have his face, it's just a matter of time now. I am no fan of Health Insurance companies. But to wish murder on someone is fucked up. Especially considering there are so many factors besides company greed...The Government interferes (obama Care) Doctors order unnecessary tests to make up for HMOs and PPOs, we have illegals that get Health Care and never pay because they have no insurance etc.

CEO's and higher ups in the health care industry could help fix the healthcare issues in America. They choose not to and then become lobbyists to help prevent fixing from happening. This is not about illegals or any political affiliation. This is about the middle man (healthcare insurance) messing up the industry and maybe getting something done to them because of their actions.

Some of the arguments for the guy dying are interesting. A CEO is in charge of millions of people not receiving adequate care (even after some doctors call for it) and people are like murdering him is fucked up. As the young kids would say he fucked around and found out. Please correct me if I am wrong but aren't most healthcare CEO's essentially bullies? It's just this bully messed with the wrong one.

 

[Sakuraba'sEar]

Brother, there is no excuse for the shit a lot of these companies are doing. It’s not to hard to find expose on the dirty stuff they do to deny claims.

This CEO was killing a lot more people than this gunman. The difference is the way he killed people didn’t make a shockingly brutal twitter clip

The difference is they are seemingly within the constraints of the law whilst murder is illegal. You can't excuse murder based on the logic that the victim was morally unjust in that he indirectly caused harm, because with that same logic one could excuse the murder of bankers, hack surgeons, law makers, bad judges etc..

Murder is just unacceptable

 

[Belaya Smert]

Correct. I believe the murder weapon was based on the single-shot Welrod, but as you say designed to cycle rounds every time it's fired. The reason the killer had to work the action manually is because a subsonic round sometimes doesn't produce enough gas to cycle the next round.

A professional shooter would know to change to a heavier recoil spring.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Shooter was definitely not a Pro: the NYPD have apparently recovered a phone and water bottle close to the scene believed to have been used by the killer.

The phone might be a burner, but no professional is going to leave anything like a water bottle; if he drank from it, there's a good chance it will have his DNA on it.

I think we tend to think too much of what a pro is in this sense. I think it's one area where we all have the movie image of the cool, calm, collected professional hitman who covers every base in their assassinations when the reality is most hitmen probably aren't that good at it and aren't pros for long.

 

[KnightTemplar]

A professional shooter would know to change to a heavier recoil spring.

I think the consensus now is the shooter wasn't a highly trained pro, but did have some experience with weapons.

He killed his victim, got away from the crime scene and so far hasn't been caught. I doubt it was his first rodeo.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I think we tend to think too much of what a pro is in this sense. I think it's one area where we all have the movie image of the cool, calm, collected professional hitman who covers every base in their assassinations when the reality is most hitmen probably aren't that good at it and aren't pros for long.

I think there probably are professional assassins like we see in the movies. Just very few of them, and most work for government agencies.

An ex-CIA Special Activities Division officer was asked how realistic the Bourne movies were. He replied that a lot of the stuff you see on screen was surprisingly accurate.

"The difference is, what Jason Bourne does in a two hour movie - car chases, shootings, hand to hand combat etc - we do over the course of our entire careers".

 

[Belaya Smert]

I think the consensus now is the shooter wasn't a highly trained pro, but did have some experience with weapons.

He killed his victim, got away from the crime scene and so far hasn't been caught. I doubt it was his first rodeo.

Im on the fence with the monogram is a diversion or legit bad blood calling card. It’s just too good as a distraction to be dismissed as a possibility imho.

 

[Osculater]

True, but still, wanting a person assassinated because they are working in an industry whose existence you lament seems backwards. Sorta blaming a victim.



Yes, but it's the assassination of a person working in a profitable industry, who's legally obliged to return the best possible for shareholders? Someone else can just do that job. They'll probably pay them more in danger money and they'll be legally obliged to continue increasing profits.




Health insurers are not the problem, the system they operate within is the problem. A CEO isn't involved in the decision making. This is smoke and mirrors to make you not address the effect of money on your democracy.




He was required by law to ensure the best returns possible, legally, for their shareholders. He could not do the job, but they pay a lot of money to get someone to agree to the role. They'll pay more if they have to.

People don't want to address the cause because they're distracted or made to believe it's intractable.



That's fair (in bold). But I don't think the rest is true. I think removing the influence of money on politics is the core effort. State funding of election campaigns. Making it illegal for politicians to benefit financially from their political decisions.

State funding of healthcare.

Americans will sanction assassination of essentially a well compensated victim before they countenance socialism.


And don't think I believe health insurance CEOs are morally good, I just believe that's irrelevant, one does not run a country on expecting people to act in others best interests.

I don't condone the assassination of the CEO but I can see why one would rationalize to take such extreme action.

 

[aerius]

They have his face, it's just a matter of time now. I am no fan of Health Insurance companies. But to wish murder on someone is fucked up. Especially considering there are so many factors besides company greed...The Government interferes (obama Care) Doctors order unnecessary tests to make up for HMOs and PPOs, we have illegals that get Health Care and never pay because they have no insurance etc.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Something to think about.

 

[Sakuraba'sEar]

I don't condone the assassination of the CEO but I can see why one would rationalize to take such extreme action.

At the end of the day, its the laws and regulations that need reworked. If there are so many people on both sides that agree that health insurance companies are full of greedy scumbags that cause harm, then we need to put pressure on our senators and representatives to regulate it.

But for so long, people were only told on TV what they should care about. That screen over time turned Americans into establishment led cucks

 

[Osculater]

At the end of the day, its the laws and regulations that need reworked. If there are so many people on both sides that agree that health insurance companies are full of greedy scumbags that cause harm, then we need to put pressure on our senators and representatives to regulate it.

But for so long, people were only told on TV what they should care about. That screen over time turned Americans into establishment led cucks

 

[Blayt7hh]

The difference is they are seemingly within the constraints of the law whilst murder is illegal. You can't excuse murder based on the logic that the victim was morally unjust in that he indirectly caused harm, because with that same logic one could excuse the murder of bankers, hack surgeons, law makers, bad judges etc..

Murder is just unacceptable

Murder is ok if the law says you’re doing it right. Got it

Good thing our lawmakers are looking out for our best interest and not the interest of those companies killing people off though