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Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

I think its time for a wide spread program to get US citizens fake ID’s for medical treatment.
The amazing part of this story is how all the MAGA-Doggers are a united front that if you complain about our piss poor health Care system in America you are somehow Anti-rich. It just shows how good at messaging is corporate owned media. They have people white knighting those who actively take advantage of them because the media they consume has ad nauseam told them since the CEO has been murdered, other media have tricked all those people into hating the rich. It surely can’t be because every person in America knows someone or is someone that Corporate Health Care has fucked over, gotta be Propaganda making people feel this way about a a CEO getting murdered. Corporate Media is good and all other media bad. Corporate Media has finally reached their Animal Farm form.
 
Doctors wouldn’t charge as much if insurance wasn’t involved, but they have to, just like the increased costs due to lawsuits, the increased costs due to having a billing department.

You can experience this by paying a doctor out of pocket in America, in various countries, the prices are reasonable as long as it’s out of pocket.

Hell, I’ve known people that have paid child birth out of pocket, 5-6K, but you use insurance, they’ll bill for 30K….

Insurance is the problem, people pay in blindly, not enough question why it warrants the amount they ask. The denials are a secondary issue, the primary issue should be WHY the racket exists, why is it mandatory? Why are health expenditures tied to insurance? Should be accessible to all, full tax benefits. Or just go medicare for all and abolish the vast majority of private insurance if discussion isn’t allowed.

Oh and auto insurance needs to go, that’s being abused as well.
I more or less agree except for the last sentence. The difference there is if I get sick and don't have insurance it will cost me, but if you and I get in a car accident and I don't have insurance and I'm broke, it will cost you--well, more or less.
 
Not delusional just manipulated. That is the story the corporate media is running to turn the story that corporations are not actively fucking Americans. Everyone loved the rich until 2000. It so blatant but people are still buying it.
It's truly remarkable either way. I grew up (relatively) poor in the 70's. The idea was not new even then. It seems insane to suggest otherwise unless you were born in this century and don't know any better. I mean, hippies... hello. "Tune in, turn on, drop out...."

By the way, apropos of class warfare, I recommend the Amazon Prime series "Sticky". It's a good comedic romp.
 
The amazing part of this story is how all the MAGA-Doggers are a united front that if you complain about our piss poor health Care system in America you are somehow Anti-rich. It just shows how good at messaging is corporate owned media. They have people white knighting those who actively take advantage of them because the media they consume has ad nauseam told them since the CEO has been murdered, other media have tricked all those people into hating the rich. It surely can’t be because every person in America knows someone or is someone that Corporate Health Care has fucked over, gotta be Propaganda making people feel this way about a a CEO getting murdered. Corporate Media is good and all other media bad. Corporate Media has finally reached their Animal Farm form.
This isn’t a right or left issue, Ben. I want health insurance for my famiy.
 

UnitedHealth is strategically limiting access to critical treatment for kids with autism

There was a time when Sharelle Menard thought her son would never be able to speak. She couldn’t soothe Benji when he cried, couldn’t read him books he could follow, couldn’t take him out in public. “The screaming, and screaming, and screaming,” she said. “He would get so frustrated because he couldn’t communicate.”

Benji was nearly 3 when he was diagnosed with severe autism and soon after started a specialized therapy to help him develop basic skills. After two years in treatment, his murmuring gave way to small words, with “bubbles” among the first. To celebrate, Menard powered up a bubble machine she found at the dollar store, and for hours, they watched the iridescent orbs drift over their porch.

Menard, who is raising Benji alone in south-central Louisiana, began to picture a future for her son that diverged from the stories she’d heard about some kids with similar diagnoses, who grew up still unable to manage their frustrations and had to live in nursing homes or institutions.


But now, she’s worried again.

The insurer that has been paying for her son’s therapy, UnitedHealthcare, has begun — to the befuddlement of his clinical team — denying him the hours they say he requires to maintain his progress. Inside the insurance conglomerate, the nation’s largest and most profitable, the slashing of care to children like Benji does have a reason, though it has little to do with their needs. It is part of a secret internal cost-cutting campaign that targets a growing financial burden for the company: the treatment of thousands of children with autism across the country.

ProPublica has obtained what is effectively the company’s strategic playbook, developed by Optum, the division that manages mental health benefits for United. In internal reports, the company acknowledges that the therapy, called applied behavior analysis, is the “evidence-based gold standard treatment for those with medically necessary needs.” But the company’s costs have climbed as the number of children diagnosed with autism has ballooned; experts say greater awareness and improved screening have contributed to a fourfold increase in the past two decades — from 1 in 150 to 1 in 36.

So Optum is “pursuing market-specific action plans” to limit children’s access to the treatment, the reports said.

“Key opportunities” are outlined in bullets in the documents. While acknowledging some areas have “very long waitlists” for the therapy, the company said it aims to “prevent new providers from joining the network” and “terminate” existing ones, including “cost outliers.” If an insurer drops a provider from its network, patients may have to find a new clinician that accepts their insurance or pay up to tens of thousands of dollars a year out of pocket for the therapy. The company has calculated that, in some states, this reduction could impact more than two-fifths of its ABA therapy provider groups in network and up to 19% of its patients in therapy.

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The strategy targets kids covered through the company’s state-contracted Medicaid plans, funded by the government for the nation’s poorest and most vulnerable patients. To manage Medicaid benefits, states often pay private insurers a fixed amount of funds per patient, regardless of the frequency or intensity of services used. When companies spend less than the allotted payment, they are typically allowed to keep some or all of what remains, which federal investigators and experts acknowledge may be incentivizing insurers to limit care.

United administers Medicaid plans or benefits in about two dozen states and for more than 6 million people, including nearly 10,000 children with autism spectrum disorder. Optum expects to spend about $290 million for ABA therapy within its Medicaid plans this year, and it anticipates the need increasing, documents show. The number of its Medicaid patients accessing the specialized therapy has increased by about 20% over the past year, with expenses rising about $75 million year-on-year.

So Optum — whose parent company, UnitedHealth Group, earned $22 billion in net profits last year — is “heavily investing” in its plan to save millions by limiting access to such care.

In addition to culling providers from its network, the company is scrutinizing the medical necessity of the therapy for individual patients with “rigorous” clinical reviews, which can lead to denials of covered treatment. Optum has developed an “approach to authorizing less units than requested,” the records state.

for the rest:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/health/unitedhealth-children-autism-propublica/index.html

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I hope we can solve the mystery one day and find out why the CEO got shot.


 
Yeah, it's not anti-capitalism propaganda to larp as "serfs" and demand the nationalization of industries, it's just your "lived experience", bro. Christ, at least the one nutjob was willing to admit it, while you're either too much of a coward or too dumb to even know what your own arguments are.

Again, I'm all for the like 20 of you who've had nervous breakdowns ITT and for the last several years. Impotent rage is a great look, and I think you losers are just about to convince everybody and swing them over to your side if you just keep it up a little longer. Basing your entire world view on emotions and begging for handouts is going great.
I don't know what you're trying to say your answer is here. That you don't remember at all what it's like to have some self respect and thats why you don't mind everyone bitch slapping you itt? Or we going with the blisteringly stupid answer?
 
He didn’t even hint at any of that. How long as it been since you had any shred of self respect? I can’t imagine writing such crap posts and not feeling embarrassed. I’m a little worried that maybe you are actually so dumb you thought that was a good tactic when you wrote that shit.

I guess that’s the question then. Are you too dumb to know that you should feel bad, or do you just have no dignity left?
As I have said before on several occasions, his username checks out. But at this point, I'd say it's both.
 
You’re not addressing the facts I pointed out here. 27 million Americans are uninsured. In a universal health care system, there are no uninsured.
I didn't address that because it wasn't what you said. Do you think taxpayers should have to pay for full health coverage for illegals? For there to be "no uninsured", that would mean forcing the citizens to pay for medical coverage for anybody who walks across the open border in addition to the 20 something million who already have.

We already have public programs for our own poor people, elderly people, children and veterans, and disabled people, so the American uninsured are young adults who could pay for insurance but opt out of it because they don't think they'll need it. You also posted the number of "preventable deaths", then sidestepped my pointing out that those are disproportionately people who are already on public coverage.

Medicaid eligibility is set by the states, so if your complaint is that you think the eligibility threshold should be higher, then that is a complaint for your state, not a separate company that is not a government agency and doesn't have the ability to collect involuntary taxes or print money.

I'll repeat what I said like 70 pages ago before the good old sherdog lefties turned into a pack of retarded chimps and veered the thread into 40 pages of ad homs and flinging shit, if you think making everyone join single payer government healthcare is so popular, then you can run on and vote for that, but the people who have either lost or had to run away from the idea because support drops off a cliff when they have to acknowlege the increasing taxes to pay for it part.

If you wanted more support for socialized healthcare, you do it by cleaning up the existing public healthcare programs to make it more appealing to everyone you'd like to force on it and show that our government would even be capable of doing it, not by shooting people who don't even work for the government. Currently, medicaid and VA are crap, and a huge majority of medicare repicipients still need additional private insurance.
 
I don't know what you're trying to say your answer is here. That you don't remember at all what it's like to have some self respect and thats why you don't mind everyone bitch slapping you itt? Or we going with the blisteringly stupid answer?
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I've responded to every point on the topic, and just like every other thread, the same 15-20 losers hit a wall with their reddit talking points and try to veer the entire thread into emotional outage with nothing on the topic when they run out of answers, just like you're doing now, and just like you do in every other thread, because you're a pretty dumb guy with no emotional control. And then you wonder why you can't stop losing and don't have any friends in your real life and have to jump on the karate website with nothing to contribute and try to fit in with the 50 year old community college flunkies and the mod who washes jock straps for a living. Best of luck with your therapy, but your contributions on any topic dry up after about 2 posts, and your low IQ rage posting from there is just boring.
 
{<jordan}

I've responded to every point on the topic, and just like every other thread, the same 15-20 losers hit a wall with their reddit talking points and try to veer the entire thread into emotional outage with nothing on the topic when they run out of answers, just like you're doing now, and just like you do in every other thread, because you're a pretty dumb guy with no emotional control. And then you wonder why you can't stop losing and don't have any friends in your real life and have to jump on the karate website with nothing to contribute and try to fit in with the 50 year old community college flunkies and the mod who washes jock straps for a living. Best of luck with your therapy, but your contributions on any topic dry up after about 2 posts, and your low IQ rage posting from there is just boring.
it's funny you say that because you stopped responding to me lol
 
Yeah, it's not anti-capitalism propaganda to larp as "serfs" and demand the nationalization of industries, it's just your "lived experience", bro. Christ, at least the one nutjob was willing to admit it, while you're either too much of a coward or too dumb to even know what your own arguments are.

Again, I'm all for the like 20 of you who've had nervous breakdowns ITT and for the last several years. Impotent rage is a great look, and I think you losers are just about to convince everybody and swing them over to your side if you just keep it up a little longer. Basing your entire world view on emotions and begging for handouts is going great.

This has nothing to do with handouts or "aNti-CaPiTaLiSm"…You act like it’s controversial to think that people shouldn't feel cornered to the point that they skip out on life saving medical treatment because of the risk of the debt crippling their loved ones if shit hits the fan...

Furthermore, we don't even need to chop out insurance companies either, the model that Germany includes insurance companies and universal coverage....
 
it's funny you say that because you stopped responding to me lol
Huh? I responded to you like 20 times. You're one of the few who actually acknowledged that it isn't really feasible without dramatically raising taxes and nationalizing several other industries first, which is obviously hugely unpopular. If you wanted to make it more popular, you would do it by making the existing medicaid more appealing, not by shooting people. You wouldn't get any pushback from me if the government wanted to take the funds they already have and hire their own doctors and run it as a completely independent system from the private one.

The sales pitch for cost wouldn't work either because most of people's insurance costs are paid by their employer, and offering them inferior service to save their boss money and shift more of the burden to themselves isn't much of a sales pitch, especially if it would still require people to get additional private insurance.

The diagnostic here is way off, and it's just delusional to take something with like 20 different things driving up costs and pretend you can fix it by just switching who writes the checks for it. It has almost nothing to do with whether private companies or the government are the ones paying for it, and the hospitals sending the bills aren't running on huge profit margins either. One of the major drivers of huge costs for hospitals is the cost of pharmaceuticals and equipment, which have higher profit margins than the other aspects, but even that is mostly driven up by the fact that like half the world's R&D and drug discovery is in the US, who then overcharge and overprescribe shit to Americans to make it up.

At least 20 of the simpletons in here, and the guy the thread is about, are just pissed with no direction, then point to one of the least important links in the chain to go and shoot, and then start raging when they find out it's not simple as "herp derp, have the government pay for it". Doctors make higher salaries because the schooling costs more, pharmaceuticals cost more because the entire world piggy backs off American R&D. Evening out this graph would be one of the bigger helps in evening out HC costs.





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Huh? I responded to you like 20 times. You're one of the few who actually acknowledged that it isn't really feasible without dramatically raising taxes and nationalizing several other industries first, which is obviously hugely unpopular.
well, you would be nationalizing one industry (pharmaceuticals), socializing another (health care), and eliminating the rest. and you would have to raise taxes but not on everyone, certainly not the middle to working class.
If you wanted to make it more popular, you would do it by making the existing medicaid more appealing, not by shooting people.
i dont think the goal of luigi mangione was to make people vote for socialized health care.
You wouldn't get any pushback from me if the government wanted to take the funds they already have and hire their own doctors and run it as a completely independent system from the private one.
well right, but then we eliminate the private one.
The sales pitch for cost wouldn't work either because most of people's insurance costs are paid by their employer, and offering them inferior service to save their boss money and shift more of the burden to themselves isn't much of a sales pitch.
except it's not inferior service if you eliminate the private sector. it becomes a fully public sector.
 
well, you would be nationalizing one industry (pharmaceuticals), socializing another (health care), and eliminating the rest. and you would have to raise taxes but not on everyone, certainly not the middle to working class.

i dont think the goal of luigi mangione was to make people vote for socialized health care.

well right, but then we eliminate the private one.

except it's not inferior service if you eliminate the private sector. it becomes a fully public sector.
Lol, of course you would have to drastically raise taxes on especially the middle class. You just chopped out one of the biggest industries in the country and forced everyone in it to take a 40% pay cut. I don't think you could come up with a bigger hit to the tax base if you tried.

If your plan is entirely dependent on removing any alternative and forcing everyone on it against their will, the that's essentially an admission that it's inferior. You called the usps the best business model in the country, and it didn't require banning UPS and Fedex, and in fact their existence is what made usps stop losing so many packages, so why would your healthcare plan require banning any alternative?
 
Lol, of course you would have to drastically raise taxes on especially the middle class. You just chopped out one of the biggest industries in the country and forced everyone in it to take a 40% pay cut. I don't think you could come up with a bigger hit to the tax base if you tried.
tax unrealized gains in the stock market and raise the top tax brackets to a 90% marginal tax rate like we had under eisenhower. we wouldn't have to even touch the middle class.
If your plan is entirely dependent on removing any alternative and forcing everyone on it against their will, the that's essentially an admission that it's inferior.
im sorry, if you mandate anything you're admitting the opposite of it (or just not doing it) is inferior? or is it just this one hyperspecific example? and inferior in what way?
You called the usps the best business model in the country, and it didn't require banning UPS and Fedex, and in fact their existence is what made usps stop losing so many packages, so why would your healthcare plan require banning any alternative?
i do suppose that i shouldn't have used the term "business model" in that case. what i meant is that your dollar goes further with the USPS than any other business in this country. the amount of money they generate in revenue versus the labor and production they get out of it, is astounding.

also you noted yourself the specific time the USPS's actual business model started to struggle. it coincides perfectly with the booms of fedex and ups. when was fedex founded? when did UPS expand nationwide? the same time the USPS got gutted and forced to fund itself, the mid 1970's.
 
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