Media Uncle Chael explains why Daniel Cormier would win against prime Randy Couture

[Tweak896]

Maybe Randy could win if he was in his prime and knew all the modern mma techniques and he fought the DC that lost against Stipe the last 2 times. But yeah DC's wrestling probably could cancel out Randy's and he would be the better striker. Although, Randy had pretty good cardio and might be able to survive and take later rounds.

 

[mst-dot]

Who's this mythical Prime Cormier?

Cormier had dogshit showings at HW against Monson, Staring, Mir, Nelson, and Stipe 2-3. Who even knows about his earlier career before Monson, but of his known career like half of his fights he looked beatable. People only focus on the times he looked good and pretend that's how he always looked. And let's not even bring up flukes that helped those like Barnett breaking his hand, Lewis coming off a war against a striker and on 3 weeks notice, or Stipe getting eyepoked on the side he got KO'd on.

The best thing he ever did was move down to LHW and start a fake feud with Jones as it allowed his first losses to come from a GOAT, while he was still "youngish", and forced him to (mildly) stop being a fat fuck. The writing was on the wall that a loss was coming sooner or later at HW the way he was looking. He was never some unbeatable HW, he got some very good timing and matchups that let him climb the ranks but it's no coincidence he left once he hit the top 5. And yes it's because Cain was champ, but not because they were friends but rather because Cain would've ran through him like DC openly admitted. JDS also had a very good chance of KOing him, DC didn't have the size or length to do what Cain did (not saying he may not have, just it would've been harder). Etc.

LHW Cormier > HW Cormier and it's likely not even close. And that guy still lost twice to Jones, nearly got KO'd by Rumble, nearly got KO'd/lost to Gus, and gassed/got hurt against a 3 day notice, 198lb, post-surgery Anderson.

Cormier was never unbeatable, in either division.

Dog shit showings?
Besides stipe he lost like 1 round at heavyweight.. Lol

Cormier went into the barnett fight after having a hand injury and they BOTH broke their hands in the fight.

Lhw cormier went to split dec with gus
Lost twice to jones and dropped by rumble.

He went like 15-2 at hw

 

[Kwic]

Imagine what a prime Jon Jones would do to Randy and Liddell… Not only is Jones better at being a bad husband than Couture, he’s better at partying than Liddell too. He would ruin both in a fight as well.

Is he better at JO than Randy, though?

 

[kflo]

Which is silly and shows his CTE.

Basketball hasn't evolved 1% as much as MMA has from '96 to present. It's not a "hybrid" sport that lends itself to rapid evolution. And it was already a mainstream sport with a massive talent pool when MJ started.

Jordan's efficiency numbers are better than LeBron's. And that gap will only widen the longer LeBron plays, as it factors MJ's time with the Wizards.

MJ's 40 time and vertival are both better than LeBron


Horrible take from Chael

lebron's ts% is better, jordan's per is slightly better.

there are no verifiable 40 or vertical numbers for either guy.

 

[kflo]

No it hasnt. A higher value is placed on the 3 and you can't play D anymore.


Pitchers used to throw 20+ CGs a year in the 70's...now they lead the league with 2.


Evolution?

it's different. evolution is in the eye of the beholder but if you dropped in most pitchers from the 70s into today's game they would have to adjust, and some wouldn't be able to.

 

[kflo]

If by 'evolved' you mean it has gotten shittier then yes it certainly has. NBA in the 90s was much more physical and you didn't get a foul just because you were within 5 feet of another guy. Basketball today is a farce, everyone is over obsessed with the 3 point shot.

and players have gotten much better at the 3 point shot. they obsess over it because.........it's worth 50% more than a 2 point shot.

 

[Stoic]

Even if someone who doesn't watch basketball (Chael) wanted to argue that it's evolved from the 90's, LeBron is a horrendous shooter/3-point shooter and that's where it's actually evolved (Curry). Jordan is mid range god and dusts LeBron pretty easilly, IMO.

 

[The XL]

Its fairly obvious that DC would beat the piss out of Randy. Thanks for that Uncle Shale

 

[MartinGibson86]

and players have gotten much better at the 3 point shot. they obsess over it because.........it's worth 50% more than a 2 point shot.

That's not "evolution"

It!s statistical analysis.

A 3-pount shot is still just a shot...only from a couple feet back.

Hand-checking would bring down those 3pt percentages too

Time machine zap Steve Kerr from the '97 Bulls into today's game and he's an all-star.

3 pointer should be eluminated really.

 

[JustBleed69]

God damn, this dude has no eye for content.

That's Stephen Bonnar ...

 

[markg171]

Cormier hadn't lost a round in MMA before fighting Jones.

Prior to his 40th birthday, Cormier had never even lost a round in a heavyweight fight on the judge's scorecards. That's 15-0 (4-0 in the UFC and 8-0 in Strikeforce) without losing a single round.

Dog shit showings?
Besides stipe he lost like 1 round at heavyweight.. Lol

You do realize you can win rounds, and fights, while looking bad if your opponent looks worse right? That's literally how fights are scored lol. You don't have to look good, just better than your opponent. DC accomplished that, but that doesn't mean he actually looked unbeatable in his fights while doing so.

You can't tell me with a straight face that this guy:

Was looking unbeatable. And it's right after these that he decides to move down. Which was smart because had he been fighting anybody else who weren't just perplexed at wtf he's doing in the aboves they'd have charged him and hurt him bad. DC had gotten pretty uncoordinated at HW, which came back again when he moved back up again, which LHW helped fix.

And as an aside, I mean, Jones eventually KO'd him precisely because of the mistakes DC was repeatedly making. One of which was from that same Mir fight where Mir hurt him with a bodykick because DC kept overreacting to kicks.

I'm not saying DC wasn't good, I'm just saying he was never unbeatable.

 

[MartinGibson86]

That's Stephen Bonnar ...

Fun Fact: Bonnar woulda won if scheduled for 5.

Only guy to take a round off Bones until Gus...unless you wanna be generous and give Machida the first

 

[Prince Nephilim]

I think Prime DC beats Fedor too

 

[MartinGibson86]

I think Prime DC beats Fedor too

Beats Frank too

 

[JustBleed69]

Fun Fact: Bonnar woulda won if scheduled for 5.

Only guy to take a round off Bones until Gus...unless you wanna be generous and give Machida the first

Just rewatched that fight, Jones wasted a ton of energy on takedowns early and Bonnar just kept getting up and coming.

Definitely had forgotten about that until I saw it recently

 

[DwayneInc.]

Confidently stating a completely subjective opinion as a definitive fact is the oldest low-level troll strategy there is...and it is literally the only thing Sonnen has in his MMA pundit toolbox.

You can immediately ascertain a fellow fight fan's level of MMA IQ by asking if they enjoy listening to Sonnen. If they say "yes", rest assured, you're conversing with a dopey halfwit.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Beats Frank too

Possibly. I think he can. He can also possibly get knocked out.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Just rewatched that fight, Jones wasted a ton of energy on takedowns early and Bonnar just kept getting up and coming.

Definitely had forgotten about that until I saw it recently

Bonnar was puttin clinch uppercuts on a gassed Bones iirc

 

[mst-dot]

You do realize you can win rounds, and fights, while looking bad if your opponent looks worse right? That's literally how fights are scored lol. You don't have to look good, just better than your opponent. DC accomplished that, but that doesn't mean he actually looked unbeatable in his fights while doing so.

You can't tell me with a straight face that this guy:

Was looking unbeatable. And it's right after these that he decides to move down. Which was smart because had he been fighting anybody else who weren't just perplexed at wtf he's doing in the aboves they'd have charged him and hurt him bad. DC had gotten pretty uncoordinated at HW, which came back again when he moved back up again, which LHW helped fix.

And as an aside, I mean, Jones eventually KO'd him precisely because of the mistakes DC was repeatedly making. One of which was from that same Mir fight where Mir hurt him with a bodykick because DC kept overreacting to kicks.

I'm not saying DC wasn't good, I'm just saying he was never unbeatable.

I don't think anybody believes he was unbeatable, but "dogshit" is an even bigger exaggeration.. Just in the opposite direction.

He did the bare minimum against Mir and Nelson and coasted to easy victories against ranked opponents who weren't completely washed yet..

And he took less damage at hw.

 

[Ace70 V2]

Prime for prime, I think DC puts Randy to sleep.