Law UK to scrap trial by jury

[fungi]

$hit, my bad for mentioning the Plandemic. That's their last, yet long forgotten, depopulation tactic. Wanna keep your job? Wanna ever leave your home OR get a job? Take the jab.

Don't you care about the children?

The most recent UK chip discussion- mandatory...to survive.

Are you one of us, CT believers?

 

[Flower2dPeople]

In one of the biggest assaults on the fabric of English and British civil society, the Labour government and MP David Lammy are attempting to scrap trial by jury in all but the most serious cases.

Jury trials scrapped for crimes with sentences of less than three years

The reforms are being brought in to tackle unprecedented delays in the Crown Court.

www.bbc.co.uk

Currently all offences within the UK are classified as either Summary only, Either Way or Indictable only. A summary only offence is basically very low level crime such as traffic offences etc. These are heard at Magistrates court, where you are judged by a Magistrate.

Indictable only offences are the most serious and relate to rape, murder, terrorism etc. These are heard in Crown Courts and the case is overseen by a judge with a 12 person jury standing in judgement should the person plead not guilty.

Either way offences cover the vast majority of crimes and can be heard at either Magistrates or Crown Court - depending on the expected length of prison time if found guilty. 6 months or less - Magistrates. More than 6 months - Crown. At the time of charge, the CPS reviewing lawyer can decide if it's S, EW or I based on their personal opinion of the likely prison term.

Someone can be charged with an Either way offence and plead not guilty at Magistrates Court. They are then referred to the Crown Court

If a case is referred to the Crown Court, the person who plead not guilty will be automatically allowed a jury trial

Labour plan to scrap this and only offer jury trials for indictable only offences where the expected prison term is more than 3 years. This means that a reviewing lawyer can block a jury trial for anyone who they assess may only receive less than 3 years. This cuts out the public having the power to decide on cases that involve child sex offenders (who are currently receiving less than 3 years) and people who post anti migrant social media posts.

This hands complete power to a theoretical policitized judge who wants to punish right wing agitators but release sex offenders and foreign criminal.

This is the brain child of MP David Lammy, who has been referred to as the lowest IQ politician in the country. He argues this is to clear the backlog of court cases currently clogging up the British legal system, a backlog caused by the previous governments shutting down of society for COVID.

Needless to say my opinion is that this is the most naked move towards a totalitarian state I have seen in my lifetime. Jury trials were established in the 11th century of a way of communities policing themselves before being formalised in Magna carta. They are the one thing preventing complete state oppression in the UK.

TBF, unless you want a population of cousin fucking retards to be indentified as a "jury of your peers", then that's on you.

 

[DoctorTaco]

. That's their last, yet long forgotten, depopulation tactic.

it did kill a ton of republicans

 

[SurferH2O]

You're either arguing that those white dudes were black (I guess not) or that they weren't committed to capitalism.

You gonna expand on that?

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Weird!

Sounds like all were capitalists with a positive impression of capitalism and who wanted to work within the capitalist framework to be a bit more inclusive.

Regulation doesn't make them commies or socialists or whatever the fuck you're thinking, which evidences how deeply entrenched you are in American politics that you'd even think these guys existed outside of outright capitalism.

.... and you keep digging, but at a faster pace with AI.

Dumb people learn from AI, smart people learn with AI.

 

[Siver!]

.... and you keep digging, but at a faster pace with AI.

Dumb people learn from AI, smart people learn with AI.

Just outline your argument.

That's literally all you have to do.

Stop wasting time, stop procrastinating, get on with it.

The floor is yours.

HINT: This is normally where you clowns say "I'M NOT GONNA EXPLAIN IT TO YOU" - don't be that coward.

 

[fungi]

The Jewish Funding part is really dense and actually takes away from a valid point you are making. The asset owner class (made up of various ethnicities) has definitely done their part to pit the sexes against each other.

What's a really interesting graph is the marriage rates of the wealthy (asset owner class) versus everyone else.

It seems like the rich really enjoy the marriage lifestyle consistently, while the marriage rates of the rabble has dramatically fallen.

Prenuptial agreements are the key to the rich folks "happy marriages".

Otherwise, their divorce rates would have been higher than those of the general population.

 

[fungi]

Delete double post.

 

[SurferH2O]

Just outline your argument.

That's literally all you have to do.

Stop wasting time, stop procrastinating, get on with it.

The floor is yours.

HINT: This is normally where you clowns say "I'M NOT GONNA EXPLAIN IT TO YOU" - don't be that coward.

Where are you from?

Woodrow Wilson expanded federal government power enormously. This is not disputed by historians. He was into huge bureaucratic growth and control over all facets of the economy. He created the Federal Reserve System, Central Bank, giving the federal government major influence over the money supply, interest rates, and banking stability. He established the Federal Trade Commission, expanding federal authority over private businesses, strengthened the Sherman Antitrust Act, and increased the regulation of corporations. He also helped implement the first permanent federal income tax, fundamentally changing how the federal government was funded and enabling long-term expansion of government programs.

I rank him bottom three of the worst Presidents of the USA. Maybe the worst.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Prenuptial agreements are the key to the rich folks "happy marriages".

Otherwise, their divorce rates would have been higher than those of the general population.

What are you basing this on?

 

[philcrow]

I don't think pointing out that white men have run Western society and continue to do so is racist, that's just silly. It's a fact. White men remain in control and have been for centuries.

I don't even think that guy is intending to be racist, he's intending to be sexist and ironically blaming the race that's been in absolute ascendancy.

He wants to blame "liberal white women" when really he'd have been better blaming liberal women. The white qualifier is a nod to the fact we still live in a white supremacist society, but I betcha he'd balk at that despite posting what he just posted.

White supremacist society? I would love to know who are all these white supremacists that run everything that benefit white people because all I see is white discrimination that has been normalized via the mass media and school system that proclaims white people are to blame for the world's problems which is what you are echoing here.

White countries are flooded with non white people in the name of diversity, yet where are all the white people being sent to non white countries in the name of diversity? White people are a global minority at around 6-7%. A White supremacist society would probably care about that and want to get the numbers up instead of importing tons of non-whites and promoting miscegenation. White people are thrown in jail for opinions on non-white people. White people are killed by non-white people and the media is silent. White Catholic priests are branded as peedos, yet Jewish rabbis with legalized peedo rituals are given a free pass. Guess a white supremacist organization ran a peedo blackmailing operation for politicians and corporate elite worldwide. White people bear the brunt of the tax burden in White countries while nonwhites are a net negative on the tax system. I think White supremacy would structure that the other way around. I guess white privilege being mass marketed as a real thing was another white supremacist creation. Non whites can live in their separatist communities in white countries and no one cares. White people try to organize their own community specifically for whites only and how many media outlets demonize any sign of white people engaging in tribalism while the same media encourages and praises non whites for the same behavior. Guess White supremacy was responsible for forced integration at gunpoint using the armed forces back when segregation was still a thing? Can't even question the holocaust in certain White countries without serving jail time. Must be another white supremacist agenda. And I guess Julius Malema engaging in white South-African genocide covered up by the media was white supremacy yet again.

Is Israel the HQ of all this white supremacy? Lol Where all politicians must go, wear a stupid hat, and touch some giant swastika after they are elected. I guess white supremacy was responsible for killing the white tzar Nicolas II in the Bolshevik revolution. I guess white supremacy genocided Ukrainians in the hodolomor. I found a nice photo of chairman Mao and all his white supremacist advisors.

You would think all these white supremacist rulers would structure their economies and policies for the benefit of the white people and not the ultra minority that is extremely disproportionate and over represented when it comes to wealth and power. You would think the majority of White people would be thriving in traditionally white countries and not working poor and some working homeless while non white immigrants get subsidized housing. Another grand plan of white supremacy.

Whatever you want to call this global system, it's pretty obvious it has nothing to do with white supremacy nor does it benefit white people at all.

 

[lsa]

Juries are notoriously unreliable. We made away with them in Norway a number of years back and it’s been a success.

I think its the same in all of the Nordic countries.

 

[lsa]

I wanna hear more about this trial by combat thing...
I mean we should look in to it.. really

 

[William Huggins]

I wanna hear more about this trial by combat thing...
I mean we should look in to it.. really

@Phlog is your man.........

 

[Phlog]

@Phlog is your man.........

Hey I'm in my retirement. I only engage in steel clad cuddle and bonk fests these days.

 

[William Huggins]

Hey I'm in my retirement. I only engage in steel clad cuddle and bonk fests these days.

Yeah, yeah..... That's not what I heard........

 

[Natural Order]

The Jewish Funding part is really dense and actually takes away from a valid point you are making. The asset owner class (made up of various ethnicities) has definitely done their part to pit the sexes against each other.

What's a really interesting graph is the marriage rates of the wealthy (asset owner class) versus everyone else.

It seems like the rich really enjoy the marriage lifestyle consistently, while the marriage rates of the rabble has dramatically fallen.

Expected results from having women enter the workforce en masse. Now almost a neccessity just to help households survive. It's no wonder the divorce rates have gone up and birth rates gone down. Women's lib was rooted and heavily promoted by rich white male capitalists. And not at all from a moral perspective as they liked to parrot.

The wealthy family obviously can enjoy a more traditional and relaxed version without such stressors.

 

[Phlog]

Expected results from having women enter the workforce en masse. Now almost a neccessity just to help households survive. It's no wonder the divorce rates have gone up and birth rates gone down. Women's lib was rooted and heavily promoted by rich white male capitalists. And not at all from a moral perspective as they liked to parrot.

The wealthy family obviously can enjoy a more traditional and relaxed version without such stressors.

Also the family unit is the most basic political unit, destruction of the family makes for more fractionated less difficult populous.

I think it's broadly a consequence of a stronger welfare state supporting single motherhood and secularism. Which can be seen in the countries most experiencing dissolution of traditional families. Nordic/Baltic countries, UK, US etc.

This is definitely a program by the American government to reduce the power of its proportionally radical African American population, elsewhere I feel it's more a consequence of change.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Every leader you've had that wasn't named Barack Obama has been white and fully committed to the capitalist crap that has led us to this point.

And look how quickly white conservatives moved to vilify Obama lmao

Obama was nothing more than an extension of the Bush administration
You fell in love with color not policy

 

[fungi]

What are you basing this on?

Just watched a few of divorce lawyers podcasts.

 

[Siver!]

Obama was nothing more than an extension of the Bush administration
You fell in love with color not policy

That's part of the point.

He isn't a white conservative male, but if he was white, he'd just be another.

Blaming anyone else for this mess but rich white men is bonkers. Completely bonkers.