International UK mandatory ID cards?

[SandisLL]

When you get the card how do you log in to see it or is it a password? Does it need a phone with biometrics, like fingerprints or face scan?



I wonder if your phone is stolen is your ID usable by a gang? Then what? You need another phone or PC to call up and get the ID suspended? It seems a phone is more likely to get lost than a passport or driving licence.

But if on holiday a digital ID could be easier if you lost your passport and need to go to an embassy.

If it can be used to prove right to work or study, meaning people don't have to pay to update their ID as often, that's good and will benefit many, particularly those on the breadline or who don't have the necessary professional, non-familial contacts to get a first passport so quickly (since the first one requires co-signing by someone who's known you for several years, isn't family and is from a list of particular professions). Removing barriers to work and study for those who have the legal right, ability and willingness to do so is always good for the economy, society and social mobility. "Oh, you want to do a course, but have an expired British passport, a driving licence with a recent old address, extensive tax and address records with other government departments, copies of bills, can take photos of yourself with your passport...no, we only accept a photo of a valid passport, because some senior civil servant said so". Nonsensical bureaucracy.

If they does have smartphone and hacked logs plus does knows PIN, yes....might use.


However to get place as student or normal job with ID card alone definitely isn't enough.

No, ID card in U.K or EU or EEZ can't 100% replace physical passport ... in some cases it is mandatory to have...yes, physical passport and in person. Maybe also 2 nd document and other documents too.

 

[SandisLL]

It isn't directly about U.K but about digital signature.
I use this, however not as installed on phone.

I use comp and physical ID card connected plus PIN codes... for me this does looks safer rather than install such stuff on phone etc.
Cos then to use this you need also physical item : card.. not only PIN codes.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Conservative estimates state that there are 40'000 individuals who present an active risk of commiting an attack. When I was in that world there was 1 attack stopped per week.

To quote the IRA "we only have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every single time"

I saw a podcast recently where they interviewed Tommy Robinson. I don't like the guy, he didn't come across particularly well. But he made a very, very salient point. That number you just gave. What happens when that's 200k. Given the mass influx of people from countries where jihad is "a thing" it might only take 2yrs. 200k? That's a fucking ARMY. An àrmy that is already inside your borders, ready to go.

Well, it's pretty obvious they need to do something about immigration, but with everything else going on in the UK, I don't like the idea of this kind of ID. They will probably use it to arrest you for saying something mean on Facebook (literally). The UK is a bit too 1984ish already.

It has nothing to do with immigration. Its 1984 Chinese social credit system nightmare fuel. Its gonna be used to identify anti government voices and silence them by freezing their ability to access money. This has been coming for AGES.

 

[Siver!]

Swiss voters narrowly approve plan to introduce digital IDs

The proposal was backed by 50.4% of voters, in the second Swiss ballot on the issue in four years.

www.bbc.co.uk

Switzerland just voted these in.

 

[usernamee]

Wasn't this the conspiracy theory? Flood the country with immigrants then when people have had enough bring in the solution, digital ID and 24/7 surveillance.

Honestly this is probably gearing towards the planned end game of a social credit system.

Yeah. And it will get to the point where people, for example like me, who hate the idea of total surveillance, will begrudgingly be in favour of the increased surveillance simply because it's gotten to a point where it's fucking necessary for safety.

 

[SandisLL]

Yeah. And it will get to the point where people, for example like me, who hate the idea of total surveillance, will begrudgingly be in favour of the increased surveillance simply because it's gotten to a point where it's fucking necessary for safety.

Interestingly how this will reduce crime etc?
OK, gubbermint might force everyone from 18 till 99 y.o purchase chinesse smartphone and install some shit.

Does they think that seasoned experienced criminals are walking to do crimes with their phones used on daily basis?
They does knows how cellular network does works.... even without digital IDs etc....

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I saw a podcast recently where they interviewed Tommy Robinson. I don't like the guy, he didn't come across particularly well. But he made a very, very salient point. That number you just gave. What happens when that's 200k. Given the mass influx of people from countries where jihad is "a thing" it might only take 2yrs. 200k? That's a fucking ARMY. An àrmy that is already inside your borders, ready to go.






It has nothing to do with immigration. Its 1984 Chinese social credit system nightmare fuel. Its gonna be used to identify anti government voices and silence them by freezing their ability to access money. This has been coming for AGES.

I think it depends how they define at risk. If knowing somebody who knows people classes as at risk then there's probably a lot of people who don't pose any risk whatsoever but just play football with Ahmed who has dodgy ties that the guys on his team don't know about.

 

[usernamee]

Interestingly how this will reduce crime etc?
OK, gubbermint might force everyone from 18 till 99 y.o purchase chinesse smartphone and install some shit.

Does they think that seasoned experienced criminals are walking to do crimes with their phones used on daily basis?
They does knows how cellular network does works.... even without digital IDs etc....

Oh I'm thinking far, far in the future where everyone will be able to be identifiable at any point. I'm not sure how. Chips, whatever the fuck. Vast camera systems with amazing facial recognition and a host of other things. If every single thing happening in a city is tracked it'll get harder and harder to get away with stabbing a dude or something.

 

[SandisLL]

Oh I'm thinking far, far in the future where everyone will be able to be identifiable at any point. I'm not sure how. Chips, whatever the fuck. Vast camera systems with amazing facial recognition and a host of other things. If every single thing happening in a city is tracked it'll get harder and harder to get away with stabbing a dude or something.

Cameras networks are more and more used, number of cameras increasing each day and main supplier is China!

However smart criminals will not stab someone for small $ anyway... OK, if xxxxxx$ then maybe.
They are sneaky and doesn't want to get extra attention. Especially on the street.

Stabbing is ...mhmm, there ofc is blood somewhere, they need to tackle weapon somewhere after this etc..
# it is easy to kill someone with knife, it is very difficult to hide traces etc, especially under stress.

 

[usernamee]

Cameras networks are more and more used, number of cameras increasing each day and main supplier is China!

However smart criminals will not stab someone for small $ anyway... OK, if xxxxxx$ then maybe.
They are sneaky and doesn't want to get extra attention. Especially on the street.

Stabbing is ...mhmm, there ofc is blood somewhere, they need to tackle weapon somewhere after this etc..
# it is easy to kill someone with knife, it is very difficult to hide traces etc, especially under stress.

I'm just talking about the crimes I care about. My kids or wife being raped or my elderly parents being stabbed and robbed. And those are the kind of crimes that will continue to skyrocket and those are also the type of crimes that will get the general public to agree to massive surveillance.

 

[SandisLL]

I'm just talking about the crimes I care about. My kids or wife being raped or my elderly parents being stabbed and robbed. And those are the kind of crimes that will continue to skyrocket and those are also the type of crimes that will get the general public to agree to massive surveillance.

Massive CCTV cameras networks on streets will only increase and will be more and more.

It isn't just cos crimes : it is tool how to spot and register traffic and parking rules violations in cities AND there ...ofc administrative fines for this.

 

[usernamee]

Massive CCTV cameras networks on streets will only increase and will be more and more.

It isn't just cos crimes : it is tool how to spot and register traffic and parking rules violations in cities AND there ...ofc administrative fines for this.

Not sure if you think we are disagreeing on something?

 

[SandisLL]

plus cameras will be more also cos insurance and security companies: they loves to demand that you will install cameras etc....more : better.

 

[SandisLL]

Not sure if you think we are disagreeing on something?

Well, for traffic and parking rules violations they already uses car number ....to get where to send " paper " and get $ ...

 

[usernamee]

Well, for traffic and parking rules violations they already uses car number ....to get where to send " paper " and get $ ...

sounds like we're not disagreeing about anything

 

[fingercuffs]

Massive CCTV cameras networks on streets will only increase and will be more and more.

It isn't just cos crimes : it is tool how to spot and register traffic and parking rules violations in cities AND there ...ofc administrative fines for this.

People are having town halls and crap about traffic cameras. My argument is if someone mowed down a pedestrian I'm sure their loved one would want to bring the DUI person to justice. When it used to happen in San Jose everyone agreed to the cameras when I brought it up. Here, not so much.

 

[SandisLL]

sounds like we're not disagreeing about anything

If you have passport and/ or ID card gubbermint already does have your pic etc in databases, digital , yeah.
Yeah, also physical card and passport too ofc.


Stuff is about promoting to install this on phones etc...
Chinesse phones, firmware programmed ofc in china, then install OS, perks and user programms.

and then if install app with ....bla bla bla....

imagine fun?

 

[MMA IAN]

Yeah. And it will get to the point where people, for example like me, who hate the idea of total surveillance, will begrudgingly be in favour of the increased surveillance simply because it's gotten to a point where it's fucking necessary for safety.

If i put my tinfoil hat on this is exactly why we're living through the 'soft on crime' era atm. To get the wider public to beg for more police, stricter rules, more surveillance.

Once all those are in place in I reckon we'll see a scorched earth judge dredd style justice system in place with uber strictness and harsh punishments.

Of course, then have all the expanded police powers and surveillance, how would the general public protest it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Conservative estimates state that there are 40'000 individuals who present an active risk of commiting an attack. When I was in that world there was 1 attack stopped per week.

To quote the IRA "we only have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every single time"

It wasn't bad luck. It was bad judgement.

Analysis: Could MI5 have stopped 7/7 bombers?

Could MI5 have stopped the 7 July London bombers? The inquests have been going through the key evidence in the public domain - and what each of these fragments means.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Servant]

I just don't understand this latest move by Starmer, he is already walking on thin ice. I think he genuinely wants to be ousted out or he is clueless at reading the room. Surely somebody cannot be this out of touch.

I think this may lead into using digital ID to enter supermarkets and building up a profile of people where records can be lodged against your name.

People still don't get it. These officials are bought and paid for by the WEF. They come in to pass the dirty work and to move on. What do they care? They get their large pension for the rest of their lives and get to enjoy living as the former PM.

Do you think these politicians are independent and driven to do good based on their upbringing and the lessons they learned in life?

I cant believe people havent caught on fully by 2025.

Btw right wing Trump bringing in the surveillance state via Planatir. Left or right, they get their marching orders. People who believe the drama of political theater are brain dead. Its 2025 people. Stop being dense.