International UK Government unveils plans to force pubs to close early

[Unknown Pleasures]

More "friendly-fascism". I'm not a fan. Maybe government should be focusing on making workplaces more rewarding so folks don't have to blow of steam at the pubs as much as they do

 

[Croo67]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they come for gyms next.

 

[curryjunkie]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they come for gyms next.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they come for gyms next.

Why on earth would you think that?

 

[650lb Sumo]

You haven't been allowed to drink on the streets for absolutely years.

Really??? Wow. I haven’t been in years, but we did it 8 years ago. Damn, that’s a shame. Learn something new everyday

It would have technically been illegal then.

Shit… Sorry English folks… Guess I was just following along with the crowd and didn’t think it all through.

I think it's only unlawful if the local government declares a special zone. Even most of the Public Space Protection Order etc zones don't make it unlawful to drink, it's something like this:

The PSPO gives police officers (or an authorised person) discretionary powers to take enforcement action by issuing on the spot £100 fines (fixed penalty notice) to members of the public who:

• continue to consume alcohol within a restricted area when asked not to by a constable or authorised person
• refuses to surrender any alcohol or container for such alcohol when asked to by a constable or authorised person

They lower the threshold of behaviour which is actionable. Like it's against the law to be a public nuisance involving alcohol. But there are such zones where it's outright against the law to drink or carry an opened container of an alcoholic beverage.

Tbh I'd be happy to ban smoking, it's absolutely pointless.

There's a whole category of 'vices' which don't do the following

touch someone without their consent
touch someone's property without their consent
breach contract.

Everyone involved is a consenting adult and there's no direct victim, however these behaviours are obnoxious, (self) destructive and vitiate society, at least in many people's opinion:

tobacco
vaping (epidemic amongst teens and also creates much more waste than smoking)
alcohol
drugs
LGBT (especially having unprotected anal sex with many men who do the same - although medicine has improved so it's much less hazardous than it used to be, the treatment is expensive and the cost is at least partly shared by everyone else)
gambling
guns
unhealthy food
prostitution
porn
hookup culture
taking unnecessary risks like driving without a seatbelt, riding a motorbike, going mountaineering alone in your 50s etc.

I suppose for most people (not anarchists and libertarians) it's a question of where do you compromise between individual rights and deeming that level of nuisance/cost to society unacceptable. If smoking's on the table so is everything else, and once the snowball gets rolling it might go further than you wanted.

 

[SandisLL]

It doesn't sound like you have involvement or experience with English pubs?

I had used while for business no.
Approx our pubs are in general more or lesser the same type stuff...most likely.
We can't earn normally with tobacco sales and still should have this stuff etc and we might in reality to earn more profit from glass of wine served rather than from tobacco sold or alco bottles sold.
If clients opted to purchase meals served ofc then pub was more effective etc like stuff.

 

[SandisLL]

I think it's only unlawful if the local government declares a special zone. Even most of the Public Space Protection Order etc zones don't make it unlawful to drink, it's something like this:

The PSPO gives police officers (or an authorised person) discretionary powers to take enforcement action by issuing on the spot £100 fines (fixed penalty notice) to members of the public who:

• continue to consume alcohol within a restricted area when asked not to by a constable or authorised person
• refuses to surrender any alcohol or container for such alcohol when asked to by a constable or authorised person

They lower the threshold of behaviour which is actionable. Like it's against the law to be a public nuisance involving alcohol. But there are such zones where it's outright against the law to drink or carry an opened container of an alcoholic beverage.

There's a whole category of 'vices' which don't do the following

touch someone without their consent
touch someone's property without their consent
breach contract.

Everyone involved is a consenting adult and there's no direct victim, however these behaviours are obnoxious, (self) destructive and vitiate society, at least in many people's opinion:

tobacco
vaping (epidemic amongst teens and also creates much more waste than smoking)
alcohol
drugs
LGBT (especially having unprotected anal sex with many men who do the same - although medicine has improved so it's much less hazardous than it used to be, the treatment is expensive and the cost is at least partly shared by everyone else)
gambling
guns
unhealthy food
prostitution
porn
hookup culture
taking unnecessary risks like driving without a seatbelt, riding a motorbike, going mountaineering alone in your 50s etc.

I suppose for most people (not anarchists and libertarians) it's a question of where do you compromise between individual rights and deeming that level of nuisance/cost to society unacceptable. If smoking's on the table so is everything else, and once the snowball gets rolling it might go further than you wanted.

More prohibitions = more real life.
In U.K are 0 problems to get drugs and weapons if you might pay...never was problem.

If they does want then might opt to taste Andropov era taste when he assumed that to limit timefrimes when alco sales will be allowed in retail business ....then owned by government will create Sanity and peace. In exchange they get huge boost for mafia and underground economy...