UFN 104 - Bermudez vs Korean Zombie - Houston

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How do you cap Vick here then? You're making him sound like -200 or more here.
If you say it's someones fight to lose then that means that you expect them to win. I'm just being realistic about the outcome of this fight, Abel does have a path to victory but yeah Vick should be about -180.
 
If you say it's someones fight to lose then that means that you expect them to win. I'm just being realistic about the outcome of this fight, Abel does have a path to victory but yeah Vick should be about -180.

No it doesnt.

If you say "Its someone's fight to lose" then it means the general consensus mostly agree that the opponent of said fighter is HIGHLY unlikely to win. It shows in the odds, general consensus etc such as the Andrade/Hill fight. We can mostly agree that the fight is Andrade's to lose and this also shows in the consensus and the odds.
 
No it doesnt.

If you say "Its someone's fight to lose" then it means the general consensus mostly agree that the opponent of said fighter is HIGHLY unlikely to win. It shows in the odds, general consensus etc such as the Andrade/Hill fight. We can mostly agree that the fight is Andrade's to lose and this also shows in the consensus and the odds.
what lol? It has nothing to do with general consensus. I'm telling you it's Vick's fight to lose. You're way off here, take this L
 
Tanaka vs Ramos looks like a really fun fight and 100% likely will be.

I'm not sure about these prices though, I thought Tanaka would be closer to -180 or something.

Anyways Ramos looks like another Charles Oliveira action fighter. He's young and he's super aggro chaining his subs one after the other. He's very slick and he takes the fight wherever it goes.

Tanaka has a pretty good in and out style that he's working on standing. He too mixes his grappling game very well. He's all about his scrambles and both guys have good back takes. Tanaka so far in the UFC has shown an innate ability to explode out of bad positions, particularly when he gets his back taken.

I believe Tanaka should take this based off experience, scrambles, and key- defenses but I can't pay 2:1 on a fighter who's had 3 close fights in his last 3. But for now Tanaka SHOULD dec him but shit they might be able to finish eachother as much as they're going to be rolling around like two squirrels fighting over a nut.
 
Jolly (2.50) , Morono (2.0) these are seriously great odds.
I promise myself to resign from parlays plays but this card is just asking for it .... damn what to do what to do .
Bastek what did you like about jolly, any particular fights?
 
Bastek what did you like about jolly, any particular fights?
Hi , Jolly is a finisher , really athletic guy (former football player), with power in his hands.
I've watched one fight that he didn't finished quick - the decision one Foster.
He showed not bad wrestling and cardio to go 3 rounds with decent tempo.

On the other side we have Khalil who I follow from TUF with Joanna.
Dude has power no doubt, average boxing skills and absolutely no wrestling / bjj .
Also he was fatass that lost zillion kilograms- respect motivation and results but I believe he will always have poor cardio in a sport like mma . Yes you cannot be Pro with great results if half of life u were eat shit - just my opinion since I do different sports whole life.

Verdict: both guys can knock each other anytime, but I see Jolly having advanteg at ground and taking him down pretty easy and winning the decision or finish .Also I see Jollys athleticism as an advantage in that fight.

I will play small like 20$ man but odds are great and worth to risk for me.
Ps. Sorry for my eng
 
I follow him on Snapchat and he recently posted a picture saying something along the lines of how he used to kill him self making weight but now the hard work is paying off and it's become much easier for him to cut
Thank you for that bit of info sir. It takes a level of commitment that I don't have to follow Skelly on Snap lol.
 
First time I've been on the betting threads so go easy on me. Here in Oz odds are different but we all share common wins and losses. I won pretty well last card on Masvidal and Shevchenko.

Anyway, IMO i think Herring is the backing of the night. She will take Grasso down in every round and get the decision.
 
First time I've been on the betting threads so go easy on me. Here in Oz odds are different but we all share common wins and losses. I won pretty well last card on Masvidal and Shevchenko.

Anyway, IMO i think Herring is the backing of the night. She will take Grasso down in every round and get the decision.

Hey dude

I think you underestimate Grasso's ground game and tdd. She's a young chick learning at a great clip. Herrig has shown serious gas tank issues in the past too.
 
What do you guys think about Tanaka/Ramos over 1.5 rounds odds @1.60
 
Hey dude

I think you underestimate Grasso's ground game and tdd. She's a young chick learning at a great clip. Herrig has shown serious gas tank issues in the past too.

I do like Grasso don't get me wrong. Also have you seen recent pics of Herring? Juiced. But yeah gas tank is a concern. I just see an upset here. Could be wrong.

Moreno is my other bet
 
Ill be looking to play TKZ ITD, I think Bermudez will get hit and Zombie is a killer. Of course lay off is a factor, but I just dont trust Bermudez not get in a bad spot for 25 minutes, and if he does, I trust Zombie to take advantage of it.
 
Abel isn't a skillful fighter in any aspect of the game, he only gets by because he's an explosive athlete and even that comes at a cost, he's known for fading in fights. In the Ferguson fight he got tired and mentally quit, he gave Tony that sub.

Also comes from a wrestling background but has no TDD and isn't a great offensive wrestler either. He'll be dangerous in round 1 and he'll be strong but he'll only get weaker as the fight goes on and Vick will take over. Vick is a better boxer, better grappler and he's got that guillotine. Fight is also in Texas and thats where Vick is from, 29-28 Vick incoming.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Trujillo win but Vick deserves to be a favourite. I don't understand people coming in on Trujillo at current price.

I agree with the points your making, much better than the obnoxious crap you've been spouting the last couple pages. Keep it up.

Vick has some terrible striking defence imo. He is susceptible to high kicks and punches sneak past his defence easily. He could definitely shore up on his defence for this fight, but Truijillo will throw everything but the kitchen sink in that first round. Do I think Vick survives this? No I dont. Especially with the newer rules, Im not confident Vick could win a decision here either. Vick may be winning most of the second round, but if Truijillo explodes on him in short busrsts to do heavy damage he could win the later rounds. The newer rules definitely favor Truijllo here and that's one aspect we shouldnt forget.

Haven't done it yet, but thinking about pulling the trigger on Trujillo, if he continues to be at a dog price.

Trujillo:

- Improved cardio and pacing. Perhaps even better now after settling into a new routine
- Showed fight IQ last fight, when it was 1-1, and he pushed it in 3rd
- Wrestle advantage
- Power advantage
- Can quit sometimes, but won't be a problem here, since he can keep the fight standing, which also helps his cardio

Vick:

- Reach advantage
- His hooks works really well
- Has a okay chin/will
- Better cardio
- High guard is a disadvantage because of his long torso, since Abel really likes to punish the body in the clinch
- Doesn't threat with TD's, so Abel can wing his punches
- Doesn't use his knees enough even with the height advantage
- Poor TDD
- Doesn't use his reach very well. Gets hurt often by overhands, which will be a BIG advantage for Abel

Abel was scheduled to fight Evan Dunham. A fight where he would be a even bigger underdog which is justified, but I imagine, that his gameplan had evolve around his wrestling, and getting the fight to the ground and stay in top control. He could very well apply the same gameplan in this fight, the only changes being, that he also could open up more with his striking aswell.
Abel could easily finish the fight in round 1, but could also empty his gas tank. If he hurts Vick in r1, but doesn't finish him, Vick could easily cruise to a dec win in his hometown. I really don't believe that Vick can stop this fight, since Abel has a pretty good chin, and Vick don't have the power to put him away. A sub win from Vick is really low percentage IMO. The guillotine from the clinch is the only sub option.

Have convinced myself even more after writing this, and if you look at the competition they both faced and their last fights, I really don't feel that Abel should be the dog in this one.
 
Re Skelly's gas tank. His third UFC fight was on 10 days' notice (he had two fights in 13 days) so he had a big cut in a short space of time. He fought Alers next on four weeks' notice so had to cut from 185 instead of his usual 175 and that fight was at altitude. Even a cut from 175 was too much for him tho, but since joining Zillians before the Blanco fight he claims to walk around during camp between 160 - 164.

I'm big on Skelly so im really trying hard to believe him. He relocated to Florida after the Elkins fight and said he was in excellent shape before the Blanco fight, so I am inclined to believe him. Hope my faith is repaid.
 
Skellys line is like -250 now on ladbrokes which is too much for me, even though I'm super confident he'll win, got him as parlay fodder in a few plays, really interested to see his ITD odds, would lay down quite a few units on that
 
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