UFC Title Trivia Thread

[jeff7b9]

What about Bisping va Henderson 2? Both were right near the end of their long careers. Henderson had a habit of fighting monsters above his weight class so I feel certain he has 10 losses. Despite the fact that Bisping had a 15 year ufc run leading up to this fight I feel like he hadn’t lost 10 times

Close, but Bisping had 7

 

[doozer]

Main event

GSP took 185 from Bisping Sub
TJ KO Cody
Thug Rose KO1 vs JJ

Nailed it. You’re up

 

[doozer]

Close, but Bisping had 7

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Not bad. Almost as close as lawlor vs condit

 

[jeff7b9]

Nailed it. You’re up

What was the last UFC fight which was scheduled to go to overtime and what happened?


*sanctioned official UFC only
No TUF / exhibitions

 

[doozer]

What was the last UFC fight which was scheduled to go to overtime and what happened?


*sanctioned official UFC only
No TUF / exhibitions

I’m afraid I have no idea. I don’t think it was anytime in the recent history, I remember it was supposed to happen in the fly weight tournament when Mighty Mouse and uncle creepy fought to a draw but the only fight I know of going into overtime was at the beginning. It was like Royce vs shamrock or shamrock vs Severn. But there is no way that’s the last decision. They problem is I’ve seen the last 15 years and the first few UFCs and nothing in between

 

[jeff7b9]

I’m afraid I have no idea. I don’t think it was anytime in the recent history, I remember it was supposed to happen in the fly weight tournament when Mighty Mouse and uncle creepy fought to a draw but the only fight I know of going into overtime was at the beginning. It was like Royce vs shamrock or shamrock vs Severn. But there is no way that’s the last decision. They problem is I’ve seen the last 15 years and the first few UFCs and nothing in between

 

[Bullitt68]

As usual it is a pleasure reading your extended answers, I didn’t think Royce has a loss on his record from fight, but then again I’ve never actually looked.

Technically, Royce no longer has a loss on his record from that fight. Sherdog's Fight Finder just skips right over that part of UFC 3. But it was on his record for a long time. (And you can see what it used to look like here, where the win is on Harold Howard's record: https://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/harold_howard/.) It's something that'd happen in tournaments where the record had to show a loss to justify a winner advancing to the next round. This is why Fedor has a loss to TK on his record from his days fighting in the Japanese organization Rings. According to Rings rules, you were not allowed to use elbows, and it was technically TK's elbow that cut Fedor open, but because that fight happened in a tournament and they needed someone to advance, they called it a loss instead of an NC or DQ since Fedor couldn't continue and so TK could advance.* Added to which, since Royce actually entered the cage and the fight was about to begin when he made his family throw in the towel, rather than withdrawing backstage, it was considered a TKO loss. Lots of weirdness like this in the early Wild West days when they were making shit up as they went

*In that particular tournament, had Fedor beaten TK and advanced, you know his opponent would've been? Randy Couture. Imagine that

What was the last UFC fight which was scheduled to go to overtime and what happened?


*sanctioned official UFC only
No TUF / exhibitions

Since I don't know as much about recent stuff, I'm open to the possibility that I'm unaware of something obvious, but in my head I can't think of anything beyond Bas Rutten taking out TK in the first OT round at UFC 18.

 

[jeff7b9]

*In that particular tournament, had Fedor beaten TK and advanced, you know his opponent would've been? Randy Couture. Imagine that



Since I don't know as much about recent stuff, I'm open to the possibility that I'm unaware of something obvious, but in my head I can't think of anything beyond Bas Rutten taking out TK in the first OT round at UFC 18.

I know there was at least 1 "dark ages" overtime after Bas vs TK.

Randy and Kevin Randleman went OT in the 20s.

My initial question is referring to a Zuffa era situation that another poster touched upon but didn't fully clarify.

 

[Bullitt68]

I know there were "dark ages" overtime after Bas vs TK.

Randy and Kevin Randleman went OT in the 20s.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. I am sure that you're wrong about there beings OT rounds as late as UFC 28. They were already using the 3x5 and 5x5 round system by UFC 23 when Randleman captured the vacant belt in a 5-round decision victory over Pete Williams. Frank Shamrock also put Tito away in the fourth round of their five-round championship fight at UFC 22. When Jeff Blatnick started overhauling the rules as the UFC "Commissioner," I know that they tried different things out event to event, but actual OT rounds? Even if this era isn't relevant to your question, I'm curious now to know when exactly they stopped the regulation round(s) followed by OT round(s) system.

My initial question is referring to a Zuffa era situation that another poster touched upon but didn't fully clarify.

And my old school knowledge is rendered useless. I will await the answer from someone up on the new school

 

[jeff7b9]

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. I am sure that you're wrong about there beings OT rounds as late as UFC 28. They were already using the 3x5 and 5x5 round system by UFC 23 when Randleman captured the vacant belt in a 5-round decision victory over Pete Williams. Frank Shamrock also put Tito away in the fourth round of their five-round championship fight at UFC 22. When Jeff Blatnick started overhauling the rules as the UFC "Commissioner," I know that they tried different things out event to event, but actual OT rounds? Even if this era isn't relevant to your question, I'm curious now to know when exactly they stopped the regulation round(s) followed by OT round(s) system.



And my old school knowledge is rendered useless. I will await the answer from someone up on the new school

Ok, I stand corrected.

I had watched a bunch of old fights in September after my last shoulder surgery and could have sworn Randy vs Randleman had an overtime. Perhaps I was still a bit loopy from the medicine.

Last one was UFC 20, Bas Rutten and Kevin Randleman went 15min as one long round then 2 minute overtimes.


UFC 21 marked significant rule changes due to the Council of the Mixed Martial Arts Commission: preliminary bouts now consisted of two five minute-rounds, main card bouts were three five-minute rounds and championship bouts were five five-minute rounds (similar to the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts used today in the United States). UFC 21 was the first UFC event to adopt the 10-point must system, commonly used in boxing, to judge fights instead of each judge merely stating their choice of fighter. 10 points are awarded for fighters who win the round, 6-9 points for the fighter that loses the round. Points are awarded for Octagon control, effective striking, grappling/near submissions, and aggressiveness.[1]



** However, there is one MUCH MUCH later instance

Spoiler

where the UFC held a
tournament to crown a new champion. Similar to the Fedor vs TK clusterfuck, as this was a tournament, the UFC had the forethought to implement a SUDDEN DEATH round, in the event that a fight ended with a draw, because it was a tournament and it required a winner to advance.

What the UFC and or the athletics commission failed to anticipate was to be undone by rudimentary ADDITION, when the dumbass judges fucked up COUNTING the score and announced the result as a majority W for Mighty Mouse.


Scoring controversy

A stipulation put in place for the flyweight tournament stated that if any of the tournament fights were to end in a draw, a fourth "sudden death" round would take place. The Demetrious Johnson and Ian McCall fight went the distance and the Australian Athletic Commission collected and totaled the judges' score cards. The fight was announced as a majority decision win for Johnson. However, upon reviewing the point totals later in the evening, the athletic commission discovered that they had added up the judges' score cards incorrectly and that the fight should have been declared a majority draw and resulted in a fourth round. The athletic commission informed UFC officials of the error and at the post-fight press conference Dana White announced that both fighters were made aware of the situation, that the Flyweight Tournament fight between Johnson and McCall had been scored incorrectly, and that fight did indeed end in a majority draw. The error was corrected and the majority decision win for Johnson was overturned, but the previously announced fourth round tie breaker could not be fought. Johnson and McCall would be forced to repeat their fight, thus delaying the finish of the first round of the Flyweight Tournament.[9] Johnson and McCall would face each other again three months later at UFC on FX 3.[10]

 

[jeff7b9]

NEW QUESTION:

I am the only UFC champion in my weight class to ever successfuly win a UFC fight in the weight class above my championship weight class.

I fought in Affliction.

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@Sweater of AV @BOTTICELLI

@g*r*b

@Serge421

 

[doozer]

NEW QUESTION:

I am the only UFC champion in my weight class to ever successfuly win a UFC fight in the weight class above my championship weight class.

@Bullitt68 @doozer @Davidjacksonjones

@Sweater of AV @BOTTICELLI

@g*r*b

@Serge421

Not sure if it’s the answer you’re looking for but I’m guessing neither Alexa grasso or the first woman’s flyweight champ fight at women’s bantamweight so the answer might be Valentino shivchanko

 

[doozer]

NEW QUESTION:

I am the only UFC champion in my weight class to ever successfuly win a UFC fight in the weight class above my championship weight class.

@Bullitt68 @doozer @Davidjacksonjones

@Sweater of AV @BOTTICELLI

@g*r*b

@Serge421

The answer you’re probably looking for is Conor McGregor. Because I don’t think Aldo ever fought up a weight class and volk and Holloway both lost title shots the weight class up.

Did Renan barrao move up after losing the title, I think he planned to, and he had a horrible record after that but I think he did win again. If it was up a weight class I’m not sure any other bantamweights have done it

 

[Bullitt68]

Ok, I stand corrected.

I had watched a bunch of old fights in September after my last shoulder surgery and could have sworn Randy vs Randleman had an overtime. Perhaps I was still a bit loopy from the medicine.

Last one was UFC 20, Bas Rutten and Kevin Randleman went 15min as one long round then 2 minute overtimes.


UFC 21 marked significant rule changes due to the Council of the Mixed Martial Arts Commission: preliminary bouts now consisted of two five minute-rounds, main card bouts were three five-minute rounds and championship bouts were five five-minute rounds (similar to the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts used today in the United States). UFC 21 was the first UFC event to adopt the 10-point must system, commonly used in boxing, to judge fights instead of each judge merely stating their choice of fighter. 10 points are awarded for fighters who win the round, 6-9 points for the fighter that loses the round. Points are awarded for Octagon control, effective striking, grappling/near submissions, and aggressiveness.[1]

Ok, so it'd really come down to what counts as overtimes and what counts as rounds. For a while, they had a regulation period and then one or two overtimes. Then, they would just have weirdly long and short rounds, but I'm not sure if they considered them, or if we should consider them, overtimes. That 15 minute-3 minute-3 minute system that they had for a while, that's not unlike PRIDE's 10 minute-5 minute-5 minute round system, but we never called the two 5-minute rounds overtimes in PRIDE. It's weird and confusing either way. But what you posted started bringing things back into focus for me. The idea to have two 5-minute rounds was idiotic and that's probably why there were a few draws even after they instituted judging and that scoring system. I'd forgotten that brief aberration in the UFC evolution. Thankfully, they didn't try that with championship fights...

** However, there is one MUCH MUCH later instance

Spoiler

where the UFC held a
tournament to crown a new champion. Similar to the Fedor vs TK clusterfuck, as this was a tournament, the UFC had the forethought to implement a SUDDEN DEATH round, in the event that a fight ended with a draw, because it was a tournament and it required a winner to advance.

What the UFC and or the athletics commission failed to anticipate was to be undone by rudimentary ADDITION, when the dumbass judges fucked up COUNTING the score and announced the result as a majority W for Mighty Mouse.


Scoring controversy

A stipulation put in place for the flyweight tournament stated that if any of the tournament fights were to end in a draw, a fourth "sudden death" round would take place. The Demetrious Johnson and Ian McCall fight went the distance and the Australian Athletic Commission collected and totaled the judges' score cards. The fight was announced as a majority decision win for Johnson. However, upon reviewing the point totals later in the evening, the athletic commission discovered that they had added up the judges' score cards incorrectly and that the fight should have been declared a majority draw and resulted in a fourth round. The athletic commission informed UFC officials of the error and at the post-fight press conference Dana White announced that both fighters were made aware of the situation, that the Flyweight Tournament fight between Johnson and McCall had been scored incorrectly, and that fight did indeed end in a majority draw. The error was corrected and the majority decision win for Johnson was overturned, but the previously announced fourth round tie breaker could not be fought. Johnson and McCall would be forced to repeat their fight, thus delaying the finish of the first round of the Flyweight Tournament.[9] Johnson and McCall would face each other again three months later at UFC on FX 3.[10]

...because this championship chaos (PRIDE event title pun intended) sounds awful. I remember that whole situation with DJ being very messy, but back then I didn't care about him or fighters that small (I still don't care all that much), so it went right over my head what all happened there. Definitely not as orderly and exciting as the old K-1 days when the tournament fights were scheduled for three 3-minute rounds with the possibility of two 3-minute overtimes if necessary. Still to this day one of my favorite matches in all of combat sports is the 5-round war between Andy Hug and Ernesto Hoost in the 1996 Grand Prix that Hug would go on to win. They're fighting so hard on a night when they have to win three fights to win the GP, they're so exhausted, and they keep having to fight another round. A legendary battle between two legends.

 

[jeff7b9]

Not sure if it’s the answer you’re looking for but I’m guessing neither Alexa grasso or the first woman’s flyweight champ fight at women’s bantamweight so the answer might be Valentino shivchanko

It is not a woman.

Each Women's division includes at least one champion who has won a UFC fight a division higher, with the exception of W145, but W145 does not have the single outlier as the question requires.

 

[doozer]

It is not a woman.

Each Women's division includes at least one champion who has won a UFC fight a division higher, with the exception of W145, but W145 does not have the single outlier as the question requires.

My next response included the answer I thought you were looking for Connor McGregor. But which other w125 champion has a 135 win? Did Alexa grasso?

 

[jeff7b9]

The answer you’re probably looking for is Conor McGregor. Because I don’t think Aldo ever fought up a weight class and volk and Holloway both lost title shots the weight class up.

Did Renan barrao move up after losing the title, I think he planned to, and he had a horrible record after that but I think he did win again. If it was up a weight class I’m not sure any other bantamweights have done it

Renan Barao moved up and, though he lost ALMOST all his post title reign fights, he did manage a W against Felipe Nover.

Conor was NOT who I was thinking of... however technically I guess that answer is also correct.

Max won a UFC fight at 149 pound catchweight and Volk won a UFC fight at 150 catchweight. These are technically considered and recorded as "catchweight" even though they fall within the range 146-156 of lightweight, so you are correct. (Though I suppose you could make an argument that 150 pound catchweight is a weight class above FW)




As such, the floor is your to ask a question. And Kudos for a good answer which I had not thought of. I am learning a lot of cool stuff in this thread.




There is another champ, which is the fighter I was initially thinking of, who is the only UFC champion in his weight class to ever win a fight in the weight class to win in the weight class above his title winning weight class, including catchweights, as in that instance there were no catchweight victories by any other champion.

 

[jeff7b9]

My next response included the answer I thought you were looking for Connor McGregor. But which other w125 champion has a 135 win? Did Alexa grasso?

Valentina had numerous 135 wins.

 

[doozer]

Ok, I stand corrected.

I had watched a bunch of old fights in September after my last shoulder surgery and could have sworn Randy vs Randleman had an overtime. Perhaps I was still a bit loopy from the medicine.

Last one was UFC 20, Bas Rutten and Kevin Randleman went 15min as one long round then 2 minute overtimes.


UFC 21 marked significant rule changes due to the Council of the Mixed Martial Arts Commission: preliminary bouts now consisted of two five minute-rounds, main card bouts were three five-minute rounds and championship bouts were five five-minute rounds (similar to the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts used today in the United States). UFC 21 was the first UFC event to adopt the 10-point must system, commonly used in boxing, to judge fights instead of each judge merely stating their choice of fighter. 10 points are awarded for fighters who win the round, 6-9 points for the fighter that loses the round. Points are awarded for Octagon control, effective striking, grappling/near submissions, and aggressiveness.[1]



** However, there is one MUCH MUCH later instance

Spoiler

where the UFC held a
tournament to crown a new champion. Similar to the Fedor vs TK clusterfuck, as this was a tournament, the UFC had the forethought to implement a SUDDEN DEATH round, in the event that a fight ended with a draw, because it was a tournament and it required a winner to advance.

What the UFC and or the athletics commission failed to anticipate was to be undone by rudimentary ADDITION, when the dumbass judges fucked up COUNTING the score and announced the result as a majority W for Mighty Mouse.


Scoring controversy

A stipulation put in place for the flyweight tournament stated that if any of the tournament fights were to end in a draw, a fourth "sudden death" round would take place. The Demetrious Johnson and Ian McCall fight went the distance and the Australian Athletic Commission collected and totaled the judges' score cards. The fight was announced as a majority decision win for Johnson. However, upon reviewing the point totals later in the evening, the athletic commission discovered that they had added up the judges' score cards incorrectly and that the fight should have been declared a majority draw and resulted in a fourth round. The athletic commission informed UFC officials of the error and at the post-fight press conference Dana White announced that both fighters were made aware of the situation, that the Flyweight Tournament fight between Johnson and McCall had been scored incorrectly, and that fight did indeed end in a majority draw. The error was corrected and the majority decision win for Johnson was overturned, but the previously announced fourth round tie breaker could not be fought. Johnson and McCall would be forced to repeat their fight, thus delaying the finish of the first round of the Flyweight Tournament.[9] Johnson and McCall would face each other again three months later at UFC on FX 3.[10]

I didn’t remember it officially being called a win for DJ I always thought it was called a draw from the get go. I’m not sure if I would say it was scheduled for overtime, or that it was supposed to be. Does that count as a right answer for me?

 

[doozer]

Valentina had numerous 135 wins.

I’m saying she was the only W 135 champion to have done so. Doesn’t that qualify her?