UFC/Pride Middleweight Champions with least-to-most Top 10 ranked wins at Middleweight.

acannxr said:
The Lightweight version is here.
The Welterweight version is here.

Rankings are based on FightMatrix.

Dave Menne
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Menne's resume:

#9 Carlos Newton

Menne has 1 top ten win.

Georges St-Pierre
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St-Pierre's resume:

#1 Michael Bisping

St-Pierre has 1 top ten win.

Murilo Bustamante
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Bustamante's resume:

#1 Dave Menne
#6 Matt Lindland

Bustamante has 2 top ten wins.

Rich Franklin
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Franklin's resume:

#1 Evan Tanner
#7 David Loiseau

Franklin has 2 top ten wins.

Dan Henderson
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Henderson's resume:

#5 Ryo Chonan
#3 Murilo Bustamante

Henderson has 2 top ten wins.

Evan Tanner
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Tanner's resume:

#8 Phil Baroni
#9 Phil Baroni
#2 David Terrell

Tanner has 3 top ten wins.

Michael Bisping
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Bisping's resume:

#10 Thales Leites
#1 Luke Rockhold
#10 Dan Henderson

Bisping has 3 top ten wins.

Chris Weidman
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Weidman's resume:

#8 Demian Maia
#5 Mark Munoz
#1 Anderson Silva
#2 Anderson Silva
#2 Lyoto Machida

Weidman has 5 top ten wins.

Luke Rockhold
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Rockhold's resume:

#3 Ronaldo Souza
#10 Michael Bisping
#2 Lyoto Machida
#1 Chris Weidman
#10 David Branch

Rockhold has 5 top ten wins.

Israel Adesanya
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Adesanya's resume:

#9 Derek Brunson
#4 Kelvin Gastelum
#1 Robert Whittaker
#5 Yoel Romero
#2 Paulo Costa

Adesanya has 5 top ten wins.

Robert Whittaker
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Whittaker's resume:

#7 Uriah Hall
#8 Derek Brunson
#5 Ronaldo Souza
#2 Yoel Romero
#2 Yoel Romero
#8 Darren Till
#5 Jared Cannonier

Whittaker has 7 top ten wins.

Anderson Silva
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Silva's resume:

#9 Alex Stiebling
#4 Jeremy Horn
#1 Rich Franklin
#8 Nate Marquardt
#3 Rich Franklin
#9 Demian Maia
#3 Chael Sonnen
#4 Yushin Okami
#2 Chael Sonnen

Silva has 9 top ten wins.
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Impressive. Thank You for putting in the work!
 
Fioretti said:
Vitor was ranked at MW when he fought Silva, as was Cote. There's others you missed too, and fightmatrix is not a good source for this. Try searching mmaweekly or Sherdog archives.
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Belfort hadn't fought in 1.5 years, so it'd be bizarre for him to have been ranked anywhere given that fact; he was not listed on FightMatrix though.
Cote was #16 at the time on FightMatrix.

If you don't like my source, you can always make your own thread and search through webarchives yourself.

TheChosenKing said:
Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, Lee Murray, and Thales Lietes were all ranked when Silva beat them.
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Henderson hadn't fought at Middleweight in 1.5 years, he wasn't listed at Middleweight as a result.
Belfort hadn't fought at all in 1.5 years, he wasn't listed at all as a result.
Murray was ranked #15 at the time, and given who was in the top ten I don't see why he'd be ahead of any one of them too.
Leites was ranked #14 at the time.

pankrat said:
Dan Henderson and Belfort, if they were ranked, it was probably at LHW back then.
Lee Murray I doubt he was ranked in the top10 at all.
Thales Leites, coming off a W over Marquardt, even if controverial, I assume had to be top10 ranked though
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Henderson was actually ranked #5 at Light Heavyweight when he fought Silva.
Belfort wasn't ranked anywhere due to inactivity.
Marquardt was only #10 when Leites defeated him, Leites then moved up to the #13 rank in the next quarter, moved down to #15 in the following quarter, down #17 the next, before moving up to #14 prior to fighting Silva.

TheChosenKing said:
They were all ranked my friend:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ed-top-10-ranked-wins-18-top-10-wins.3471207/

Anderson has 13 top 10 wins at MW.
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I explicitly stated in the OP that the rankings are based on FightMatrix and I'm not going to change that.
 
acannxr said:
Belfort hadn't fought in 1.5 years, so it'd be bizarre for him to have been ranked anywhere given that fact; he was not listed on FightMatrix though.
Cote was #16 at the time on FightMatrix.

If you don't like my source, you can always make your own thread and search through webarchives yourself.


Henderson hadn't fought at Middleweight in 1.5 years, he wasn't listed at Middleweight as a result.
Belfort hadn't fought at all in 1.5 years, he wasn't listed at all as a result.
Murray was ranked #15 at the time, and given who was in the top ten I don't see why he'd be ahead of any one of them too.
Leites was ranked #14 at the time.


Henderson was actually ranked #5 at Light Heavyweight when he fought Silva.
Belfort wasn't ranked anywhere due to inactivity.
Marquardt was only #10 when Leites defeated him, Leites then moved up to the #13 rank in the next quarter, moved down to #15 in the following quarter, down #17 the next, before moving up to #14 prior to fighting Silva.


I explicitly stated in the OP that the rankings are based on FightMatrix and I'm not going to change that.
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Fightmatrix is straight up wrong, and a terrible source for rankings. A poster here showed them ranking Thales Leites as the #4 WW after his 6th pro fight, all in the MW division.

Cote was #7 when Silva beat him. Belfort and Henderson were both ranked at MW. Henderson was the PRIDE WW (183 lbs) champ at the time. He was ranked in two weight classes.
 
Fioretti said:
Belfort and Henderson were both ranked at MW.
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We're not going to agree on FightMatrix, but why in the world should Belfort and Henderson have remained ranked at Middleweight when the former hadn't fought at all in 1.5 years and the latter hadn't fought at Middleweight in 1.5 years? Not to mention the fact that Henderson's last fight at Middleweight was actually a loss! He just didn't lose the championship because it was a non-title bout.

Any ranking system that continues to rank fighters who haven't competed in over a year in the division being ranked is never going to be credible in my eyes.

Fioretti said:
Henderson was the PRIDE WW (183 lbs) champ at the time.
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See above.
 
acannxr said:
We're not going to agree on FightMatrix, but why in the world should Belfort and Henderson have remained ranked at Middleweight when the former hadn't fought at all in 1.5 years and the latter hadn't fought at Middleweight in 1.5 years? Not to mention the fact that Henderson's last fight at Middleweight was actually a loss! He just didn't lose the championship because it was a non-title bout.

Any ranking system that continues to rank fighters who haven't competed in over a year in the division being ranked is never going to be credible in my eyes.


See above.
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Why would you use a source that is known for being incorrect, and sometimes even for ranking fighters in the wrong division? Henderson, Belfort, Cote, and Leites were all ranked when they fought Silva. Why are you trying to omit almost 1/3rd of his top 10 wins in a thread that is supposed to be celebrating top 10 wins? Time obviously has no effect on rankings, even though I agree they should, just look to Conor McGregor for your answer there, friend. There's a guy who's 1-1 in the division and hasn't fought at 155 in over two years.....still ranked. Dom Cruz held his ranking for a long time while being injured, as did Cain, on multiple occasions.

Once again....Hendo, Belfort, Cote, and Leites were all ranked when they challenged Anderson Silva for the MW title. Fightmatrix is a shit source. They're very inaccurate for rankings.
 
Fioretti said:
Why are you trying to omit almost 1/3rd of his top 10 wins in a thread that is supposed to be celebrating top 10 wins?
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I'm not trying to do anything; I've made this type of thread with two other divisions and applied the same parameters.

Fioretti said:
Hendo, Belfort
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Funny how you've ignored my comments on both of them being inactive at Middleweight for 1.5 years by the time they fought Silva, with Henderson's last Middleweight fight having been a loss too.
 
acannxr said:
I'm not trying to do anything; I've made this type of thread with two other divisions and applied the same parameters.


Funny how you've ignored my comments on both of them being inactive at Middleweight for 1.5 years by the time they fought Silva, with Henderson's last Middleweight fight having been a loss too.
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You should just fix the original post, or use better sources. I absolutely touched on your inactivity argument, and even gave you three examples of other fighters holding their ranks (multiple times) despite being inactive. Belfort gained his top 10 status by beating Lindland, held it after beating Franklin, and held it through his injury layoff until he fought Silva. He held his top 10 status for quite a while after that as well. Hendo was ranked in two divisions, not just at 205, and held his top 10 status at 185 due to him being the PRIDE WW champ. Despite the fact that he lost to Misaki after beating Misaki. He was still ranked. Leites and Cote were also ranked top 10 at the time of their title shots.

Again, why would you ONLY use a source known to be inaccurate with their historical rankings? That doesn't make any sense, and there are multiple sources available to give a more accurate depiction of reality. What in the dirty fuck is the point of making a statistical thread if your stats are wrong? Seems weird.
 
Fioretti said:
there are multiple sources available to give a more accurate depiction of reality.
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So you're trying to suggest that I can find rankings, compiled at multiple different points in time for each year, since the late 90's?

And pray tell, what happens when I can't find rankings at a specific point in time from this new source you're claiming exists? Does that mean I have to use a second source? Do I trust a second, third, or fourth source just because they claim to be "official rankings" from the time period I need? Would using different sources for one fighter not make his comparison to another champion thereby inconsistent? And what if I can't find any rankings for the time period I need? What happens then? Do I interject my own opinion on where a fighter should be ranked and retroactively create my own rankings for that time period?

It's easy for you to criticize my thread, and talk about how it should be done, but unlike you I've already asked myself these types of questions.

I'm done arguing over my use of FightMatrix; if you don't like it, make your own thread on top ten wins, no one is stopping you.
 
13625F83-89DC-4E18-99C6-BDE87C2DBB68.jpeg Adesanya should have 6 and Vettori is a top 15 middleweight rn so realistically he has 7 top 15 wins. But of course you always miss UFC champs cause you’re biased.
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acannxr said:
So you're trying to suggest that I can find rankings, compiled at multiple different points in time for each year, since the late 90's?

And pray tell, what happens when I can't find rankings at a specific point in time from this new source you're claiming exists? Does that mean I have to use a second source? Do I trust a second, third, or fourth source just because they claim to be "official rankings" from the time period I need? Would using different sources for one fighter not make his comparison to another champion thereby inconsistent? And what if I can't find any rankings for the time period I need? What happens then? Do I interject my own opinion on where a fighter should be ranked and retroactively create my own rankings for that time period?

It's easy for you to criticize my thread, and talk about how it should be done, but unlike you I've already asked myself these types of questions.

I'm done arguing over my use of FightMatrix; if you don't like it, make your own thread on top ten wins, no one is stopping you.
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Google historical rankings. If you're trying to make a stat thread, do it right. If people correct you, take it into consideration, and alter the stats accordingly if the claims are proven. Refusing to alter them or listen to what multiple people are telling you seems childish and stubborn. Sticking with only one source, no matter what, also seems stubborn and childish, especially when that source is known for its errors.
 
Nice jobs with the lists TS.

I just saw the WW one and was impressed by how many of the guys GSP fought were #1 or #2 ranked guys.

Anderson, on the other hand, has very few.
Where were the top guys during his reign?
 
Chosen said:
View attachment 816296 Adesanya should have 6 and Vettori is a top 15 middleweight rn so realistically he has 7 top 15 wins. But of course you always miss UFC champs cause you’re biased.
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It literally says "top 10 ranked" in the thread title, yet you bring up "top 15 wins"; I say the resume is based on FightMatrix' rankings, and you bring up UFC's rankings.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Ozze said:
Nice jobs with the lists TS.

I just saw the WW one and was impressed by how many of the guys GSP fought were #1 or #2 ranked guys.

Anderson, on the other hand, has very few.
Where were the top guys during his reign?
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Silva has a great resume and this thread doesn't really do it justice, but based on the parameters I've been using in these threads it excludes a lot of the fighters from his career.

Henderson was a #5 Light Heavyweight when he fought Silva, but because he'd been so inactive at Middleweight, he wasn't ranked there which disqualifies him based on the parameters I've been using; the same with Belfort, as his inactivity removed him from the rankings, but prior to his inactivity he was definitely a top ten Middleweight (#7 after the Lindland fight).

As for where the top guys were during Silva's reign:

2006: 50% of the top ten were in Pride.
2007: 50% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2008: 60% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2009: 40% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2010: 40% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2011: 30% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2012: 10% of the top ten were outside the UFC.
2013: 10% of the top ten were outside the UFC.

The UFC didn't really have the best Middleweight division until nearing the end of Silva's reign, unfortunately.
 
acannxr said:
It literally says "top 10 ranked" in the thread title, yet you bring up "top 15 wins"; I say the resume is based on FightMatrix' rankings, and you bring up UFC's rankings..
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You just don’t wanna use ufc ranking cause all your favorites wouldn’t even be on the list. RDA and khabib have more top 10 wins then you gave them, we’ve all called you out on your BS yet you still make shitty list cause in fantasy world that’s the only place your favorites look good.

<Dany07>
 
Chosen said:
You just don’t wanna use ufc ranking cause all your favorites wouldn’t even be on the list. RDA and khabib have more top 10 wins then you gave them, we’ve all called you out on your BS yet you still make shitty list cause in fantasy world that’s the only place your favorites look good.

<Dany07>
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I don't have any favorites in these lists, but nice try.

And the UFC rankings didn't even exist before 2013, so how exactly could this thread have even been made for the champions with fights before then?

Your flawed logic made me chuckle, thanks <Lmaoo>.
 
Spider GOAT MW as expected.
Wonder if Izzy can beat this tho, he has plenty of time.
Another like for TS from me, good stuff.
 
Henderson’s win over Palhares?
I find it hard to believe Henderson got to his number 1 contender spot without beating any ranked opposition.
Honestly I am not rating fight metric for their evaluations at all at this point.
 
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