UFC/Pride Light Heavyweight Champions with least-to-most Top 10 ranked wins at Light Heavyweight.

[Blayt7hh]

Damn Shogun coming in strong at #2 with 8/9 top ten wins. Yet last week we had all kinds of fucking clowns on here bashing his career and talking about how overrated he was.

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[Fergelmince]

I appreciate the work you've done but if you're using Fight Matrix then it already isn't an exact science and we aren't using official historical rankings, so there should be room for applying common sense and context in order to mitigate some of the inherent problems with Fight Matrix. The problem with Fight Matrix here is that it's a retroactive formulaic ranking that's only searchable in 3 month increments. With Arona, the increments fall before his Wand win (when it ranks him #12) and after his blowout loss to Shogun (when it ranks him #5). Ipso facto we can conclude that Fight Matrix -- if their retroactive rankings were generated fight by fight rather than once every 3 months -- would rank Arona at least #5 for the Shogun fight

And this would align with the reality of where the consensus MMA community had Arona ranked when he fought Shogun. Arona was in fact the lineal Pride MW champ at that point, of course he was ranked top 10. Ignoring this, as well as the fact that Fight Matrix had Arona #5 after losing to Shogun, and instead insisting that it had Arona #12 on 07/01/2005 prior to his Wand and Shogun fights, would just be doubling down on the limitations of using Fight Matrix in the first place

This actually isn't science at all.

 

[SKYNET]

#4 Sokoudjou

Jesus, the people responsible for that ranking should be ashamed of themselves. Quick KO's of Arona and Lil' nog shouldn't have got him this high.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Lil Nog was 12 - 2 prior with only defeats by decision to top level opponents Shogun and Matyushenko. Soukodjou KO'd him in 23 seconds which was unheard of
Arona was 12 - 4 prior with decision Ls to Fedor & Wand and was only ever stopped by Shogun & Rampage and Soukoudjou KO'd Arona in faster time than either

Mind you those were his first 2 fights going into Pride and he was doing shit only guys like Shogun, Rampage or Fedor was doing, pretty sure he catapulted into the top 5 by legitimate means, he looked like a freaking juggernaut for a while there in the summer of 2007

 

[SKYNET]

I appreciate the work you've done but if you're using Fight Matrix then it already isn't an exact science and we aren't using official historical rankings, so there should be room for applying common sense and context in order to mitigate some of the inherent problems with Fight Matrix. The problem with Fight Matrix here is that it's a retroactive formulaic ranking that's only searchable in 3 month increments. With Arona, the increments fall before his Wand win (when it ranks him #12) and after his blowout loss to Shogun (when it ranks him #5). Ipso facto we can conclude that Fight Matrix -- if their retroactive rankings were generated fight by fight rather than once every 3 months -- would rank Arona at least #5 for the Shogun fight

And this would align with the reality of where the consensus MMA community had Arona ranked when he fought Shogun. Arona was in fact the lineal Pride MW champ at that point, of course he was ranked top 10. Ignoring this, as well as the fact that Fight Matrix had Arona #5 after losing to Shogun, and instead insisting that it had Arona #12 on 07/01/2005 prior to his Wand and Shogun fights, would just be doubling down on the limitations of using Fight Matrix in the first place

 

[acannxr]

I didn't mean to imply the method of victory should make a difference, I meant that beating those two at all should have gotten him to #4

Nogueira was #3 and Arona was #4 when they lost to Sokoudjou, so what's so strange about him then getting bumped up to #4? Lesnar got bumped up to #2 after his 4th fight in MMA <Lmaoo>.

Why do some fighters like Chuck get rematches counted but Jones and Dc dont?

To answer in a general sense: it's likely either due to a fighter getting removed from the rankings due to inactivity or just not being ranked top ten at the time of the fight.

If you specify which fights you're wondering about being left out, I can explain, otherwise it's too vague a question.

 

[Substance Abuse]

I love these fucking threads. Seriously. Lol.

Great job TS @acannxr

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

I like these threads, but I think you should source more than one set of rankings. Fight matrix has it's flaws.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

#4 Sokoudjou

Jesus, the people responsible for that ranking should be ashamed of themselves. Quick KO's of Arona and Lil' nog shouldn't have got him this high.

Well, they were impressive wins against two of the best LHW's in the world so that high ranking is somewhat understandable... provided you overlooked him getting sparked by Glover about a year and change before this all went down.

 

[HHJ]

I love these fucking threads. Seriously. Lol.

Great job TS @acannxr

Yeah bro keep up the good work @acannxr

 

[HHJ]

I like these threads, but I think you should source more than one set of rankings. Fight matrix has it's flaws.

Man this dude aint got all goddamn day. Throw him some money !

 

[ultrasonic]

The Lightweight version is here.
The Welterweight version is here.
The Middleweight version is here.

Rankings are based on FightMatrix.

Frank Shamrock

Shamrock's resume:

#4 Kevin Jackson
#1 Tito Ortiz

Shamrock has 2 top ten wins.

Jan Błachowicz

Błachowicz' resume:

#7 Corey Anderson
#7 Dominick Reyes

Błachowicz has 2 top ten wins.

Forrest Griffin

Griffin's resume:

#2 Mauricio Rua
#1 Quinton Jackson
#10 Rich Franklin

Griffin has 3 top ten wins.

Vitor Belfort

Belfort's resume:

#5 Wanderlei Silva
#1 Randy Couture
#9 Dan Henderson

Belfort has 3 top ten wins.

Randy Couture

Couture's resume:

#2 Chuck Liddell
#2 Tito Ortiz
#2 Vitor Belfort

Couture has 3 top ten wins.

Daniel Cormier

Cormier's resume:

#5 Dan Henderson
#2 Anthony Johnson
#7 Alexander Gustafsson
#3 Anthony Johnson
#7 Volkan Oezdemir

Cormier has 5 top ten wins.

Dan Henderson

Henderson's resume:

#10 Murilo Bustamante
#8 Yuki Kondo
#10 Vitor Belfort
#9 Rich Franklin
#2 Mauricio Rua
#9 Mauricio Rua

Henderson has 6 top ten wins.

Wanderlei Silva

Silva's resume:

#7 Kazushi Sakuraba
#6 Quinton Jackson
#7 Yuki Kondo
#4 Quinton Jackson
#5 Ricardo Arona
#3 Keith Jardine

Silva has 6 top ten wins.

Tito Ortiz

Ortiz' resume:

#6 Jerry Bohlander
#8 Wanderlei Silva
#1 Yuki Kondo
#9 Evan Tanner
#6 Vladimir Matyushenko
#3 Vitor Belfort
#9 Ryan Bader

Ortiz has 7 top ten wins.

Lyoto Machida

Machida's resume:

#4 Sokoudjou
#9 Tito Ortiz
#2 Rashad Evans
#4 Mauricio Rua
#7 Randy Couture
#6 Ryan Bader
#4 Dan Henderson

Machida has 7 top ten wins.

Rashad Evans

Evans' resume:

#2 Chuck Liddell
#1 Forrest Griffin
#10 Thiago Silva
#2 Quinton Jackson
#10 Phil Davis
#3 Dan Henderson
#8 Chael Sonnen

Evans has 7 top ten wins.

Quinton Jackson

Jackson's resume:

#5 Kevin Randleman
#3 Chuck Liddell
#1 Chuck Liddell
#5 Dan Henderson
#4 Wanderlei Silva
#7 Keith Jardine
#3 Lyoto Machida

Jackson has 7 top ten wins.

Chuck Liddell

Liddell's resume:

#6 Paul Jones
#9 Murilo Bustamante
#5 Tito Ortiz
#1 Randy Couture
#3 Randy Couture
#8 Renato Sobral
#6 Tito Ortiz
#9 Wanderlei Silva

Liddell has 8 top ten wins.

Mauricio Rua

Rua's resume:

#5 Quinton Jackson
#8 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
#5 Alistair Overeem
#10 Alistair Overeem
#8 Chuck Liddell
#1 Lyoto Machida
#6 Forrest Griffin
#10 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

Rua has 8 top ten wins.

Jon Jones

Jones' resume:

#6 Ryan Bader
#1 Mauricio Rua
#4 Quinton Jackson
#6 Lyoto Machida
#3 Rashad Evans
#4 Alexander Gustafsson
#6 Glover Teixeira
#2 Daniel Cormier
#4 Anthony Smith
#6 Thiago Santos
#8 Dominick Reyes

Jones has 11 top ten wins.

Get your totals right buddy. Jon fought Gus 2x not once. Same with DC

 

[MisterWillis]

I’m new around these parts but seriously wtf is this shit!!?? <45>

 

[acannxr]

Get your totals right buddy. Jon fought Gus 2x not once. Same with DC

Gustafsson wasn't ranked in the rematch due to inactivity; the rematch with Cormier isn't a win for Jones, it's a no contest.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Hendo was ranked when Cormier beat him? Damnnnnn

 

[acannxr]

Hendo was ranked when Cormier beat him? Damnnnnn

Probably due to him having just defeated Shogun in their rematch.

 

[ultrasonic]

Gustafsson wasn't ranked in the rematch due to inactivity; the rematch with Cormier isn't a win for Jones, it's a no contest.

Source or you're lying

 

[Substance Abuse]

I appreciate the work you've done but if you're using Fight Matrix then it already isn't an exact science and we aren't using official historical rankings, so there should be room for applying common sense and context in order to mitigate some of the inherent problems with Fight Matrix. The problem with Fight Matrix here is that it's a retroactive formulaic ranking that's only searchable in 3 month increments. With Arona, the increments fall before his Wand win (when it ranks him #12) and after his blowout loss to Shogun (when it ranks him #5). Ipso facto we can conclude that Fight Matrix -- if their retroactive rankings were generated fight by fight rather than once every 3 months -- would rank Arona at least #5 for the Shogun fight

And this would align with the reality of where the consensus MMA community had Arona ranked when he fought Shogun. Arona was in fact the lineal Pride MW champ at that point, of course he was ranked top 10. Ignoring this, as well as the fact that Fight Matrix had Arona #5 after losing to Shogun, and instead insisting that it had Arona #12 on 07/01/2005 prior to his Wand and Shogun fights, would just be doubling down on the limitations of using Fight Matrix in the first place

This might be one of your best posts in the Heavies that wasn't sarcastic, lol. Great post.

 

[xn7]

Arona was #12 when Shogun defeated him.

You'll have to be more specific on the others.

uh, machida lost the first fight vs shogun very clearly. and henderson v shogun 1 the last round was definitely a 10-8.

 

[ferrisjso]

Goats going to goat.

 

[eddymotto]

Great work TS. I really appreciate it