UFC is terrible for jiu jitsu

one thing that really hurts grapplers is you cant grab the glove its bullshit for instance doing a arm ride in turtle position to stop guys from standing back up ect its best to grab the meat of there hand is how its taught but in mma u cant grab his hand at all have to get the wrist and it doesnt work the same thats why khabib had issues with al with his wrist ride
 
black belch said:
Jacare has to expend enormous amount of energy/time to take down good wrestlers like Gastelum, and when he finally does, he has 1:50 minutes to submit him lol. He has to go for a home run submission or he's fucked. If he had 5 more minutes like in Pride that fight was basically over, he'd meticulously advance positions, pound him out and win.

Just saying, Wrestlers needs just take downs, let him back up/ rinse repeat and 5 minutes are perfect for that. BJJ guys in PRIDE had the whole 10 minutes..
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Let's not pretend that jiu jitsu guys can't achieve anything. Jacare is right on the top, Werdum was a champion not so long ago, Maia also got a TS. But it's fucking MMA, if you are good only on one thing, hell, one day you are going to find a guy where that one thing simply won't work.

Jacare got many first round finishes thanks to his jiu jitsu. Let's give credit to Gastelum who also has great jiu jitsu and defended really well.

Also, it goes both ways. There are rules that protect jiu jitsu guys, like you can't kick grounded fighters. If Gastelum just went full Wanderlei Silva soccer kicking Jacare it would be over as well.
 
black belch said:
A 5 minute round isn't set by the gods. Its a rule set by bald fat guys in an air conditioned room.

Im just saying, 10 minute rounds is much more fair for a jiu jitsu specialist. What is your point?
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I’m just saying a wrestler taking a top shelf bjj guy down should be a wet dream for a highly decorated bjj fighter. Are they supposed to award points for getting taken down? Learn to sprawl or get a takedown of your own. What kind of whiny Gracie shit is this? Don’t get taken down. Implement your game. Watch some Maia fights. Jacare prematurely shot his wad trying to impress his country. End of story.
 
HelloJapan said:
An opinion, on a forum...shocking.

I said nothing about his JJ technically, he's a god, I was pointing out the obvious, if you've done BJJ before: a arm bar is higher risk sub.

I look forward to your 80th message in two years time.
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I agree armbars are fine for BJJ, but in a real fight they are inherently more risky than say a kimura because you lose position if unsuccessful.
 
BJJ is fine in MMA, its just a matter of timing. Guys want to try and use it early when the opponent is still dry because its easier than grappling with someone who is sweaty & bloody, but its really better used later in the fight when someone is tired or hurt. If you try to force it early you gas yourself with halfassed takedown attempts and forced sub attempts (we just saw it happen to Werdum vs Volkov).

It works best after you knock them down with punches first or tire them out. BJJ + good striking (ie Brian Ortega) is a combo that we will see more of in the future, it just so happened that most people who do BJJ are only good at that, that will change with time.
 
You do know what the first "M" in MMA is right?
 
Yes if Jacare had ten minutes he may have won or he might of gasses out even worse.

Jacare breaking down physically. He doesn't have many fights left. It's said the Rockhold, Mousasi, Jacare, Romero, Weidman group was maybe the best group of mws ever and all besides Romero (the oldest) seem to be showing signs of age
 
tekkenfan said:
ignorant statement u do realize wrestling by itself isnt very good there is no mount side control inw restling its tyring to get shoulder pins thats why wrestlers who were purist lost to bjj guys early in ufc its not till wrestlers learnt bjj as well
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Yeah thank goodness successful guys in that era like Mark Coleman were BJJ wizards and not just a high level wrestlers with gnp...

:rolleyes:

It isnt that simplistic or cut and dry as you are saying.
 
Gotta say, Jacare's fake leg lock attempt that he used to get the fight to the ground was pretty slick. Gastelum got baited hard.
 
tasticles said:
Yeah this has been known for about 20 years bud. Unified rules favor wrestlers.
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Yeah, every round starting on the feet, rounds, time limits, and no grounded knees really favor grapplers.....
 
black belch said:
Jacare has to expend enormous amount of energy/time to take down good wrestlers like Gastelum, and when he finally does, he has 1:50 minutes to submit him lol. He has to go for a home run submission or he's fucked. If he had 5 more minutes like in Pride that fight was basically over, he'd meticulously advance positions, pound him out and win.

Just saying, Wrestlers needs just take downs, let him back up/ rinse repeat and 5 minutes are perfect for that. BJJ guys in PRIDE had the whole 10 minutes..
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You seriously think that hte rules favor wrestling?? You're a fucking retard.

Let's make it fair. Trust me, all wrestlers would love "fair".

Legalize headbutts. Legalize knees on the ground.

Most importantly, replace the mats with concrete. Let your BJJ guys deal with takedowns, slams, and spikes onto concrete and ground and pound + headbutts, on concrete.

The entire ruleset, down to how the cage is designed, is designed to make wrestling not just less effective -- but non-lethal. Wrestling is so powerful that it would kill people every other fight in a real MMA ruleset. It's so powerful that, despite all the rules against it, it's still the best base martial art.

You know how Chael Sonnen has "pitter patter GNP" and "lay and prays"? Imagine his "pitter patter punches" bouncing Anderson Silva's head off of concrete instead of a mat. Who wins then? Wrestling or BJJ?

Obviously, wrestling. The real question is does Chael win by TKO, coma, or death?
 
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Zorrox said:
I agree armbars are fine for BJJ, but in a real fight they are inherently more risky than say a kimura because you lose position if unsuccessful.
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Yesssssssssssssss.
 
Thunderchild said:
Yeah thank goodness successful guys in that era like Mark Coleman were BJJ wizards and not just a high level wrestlers with gnp...

:rolleyes:

It isnt that simplistic or cut and dry as you are saying.
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mark coleman wasnt a pure wrestler coleman trained with a bunch of bjj guys at that time im not gonna argue the technical aspects of wrestling and jiu jitsu unless you can explain to me what a whizzer is and a over under
 
tekkenfan said:
mark coleman wasnt a pure wrestler coleman trained with a bunch of bjj guys at that time im not gonna argue the technical aspects of wrestling and jiu jitsu unless you can explain to me what a whizzer is and a over under
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A whizzer is a guy like Jon Jones, just a complete whiz at the game. Naturally talented. I would say an over under is someone like BJ Penn. Over the top starter, great talent. But under achieves. Overs and unders.
 
JustBleed69 said:
Yeah, every round starting on the feet, rounds, time limits, and no grounded knees really favor grapplers.....
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Compared to BJJ who have shit takedowns and often bad TD defense as well, I'd say yes. The wrestler gets to dictate the pace and where the fight goes usually. I'm not talking about mma as a whole but BJJ vs wrestling. All the wrestler has to do is be competent in sub defense and use pressure. They can also stack them against the cage. Im too tired to get further into this shit kid.
 
tekkenfan said:
mark coleman wasnt a pure wrestler coleman trained with a bunch of bjj guys at that time im not gonna argue the technical aspects of wrestling and jiu jitsu unless you can explain to me what a whizzer is and a over under
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superpunch said:
You seriously think that hte rules favor wrestling?? You're a fucking retard.

Let's make it fair. Trust me, all wrestlers would love "fair".

Legalize headbutts. Legalize knees on the ground.

Most importantly, replace the mats with concrete. Let your BJJ guys deal with takedowns, slams, and spikes onto concrete and ground and pound + headbutts, on concrete.

The entire ruleset, down to how the cage is designed, is designed to make wrestling not just less effective -- but non-lethal. Wrestling is so powerful that it would kill people every other fight in a real MMA ruleset. It's so powerful that, despite all the rules against it, it's still the best base martial art.

You know how Chael Sonnen has "pitter patter GNP" and "lay and prays"? Imagine his "pitter patter punches" bouncing Anderson Silva's head off of concrete instead of a mat. Who wins then? Wrestling or BJJ?

Obviously, wrestling. The real question is does Chael win by TKO, coma, or death?
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Concrete is something artificial, is not the place for a real fight
 
It should be one 15 minute round.

One 25 min round for championship fights.

imo
 
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