UFC Has Lost All Credibility With RR/WMMA

Obviously you're not very smart, so let me say this slowly for you, read and learn.

Why Do Some Countries Win More Olympic Medals?

Low medal tallies can arise both because a country has very few people and because very few of its people effectively participate.
That’s why those numbers are important.

http://www2.sanford.duke.edu/krishna...d_Olympics.pdf

Am not just using NFHS figures am using HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETICS PARTICIPATION SURVEY for wrestling am also using the same number for Judo… what’s even better am also using an alternate source for Judo too.

You would have read something like this “This year, there were 66 female competitors for 9 contested divisions (including 44kg and Open). In fact, only two women's divisions in the national championships (63 kg and 70 kg) had more than eight competitors.”

I know but you would have to read and that so hard from someone of so little mental attitude.

For someone like Dillashaw to make it into college doing wrestling he already had to compete against a large talent pool just too gets there.
Again, winning the US nationals in Judo isn't an automatic qualifier for the Olympics. The Olympics only allowed 22 participates per weight division. So, there were qualifying tournaments, etc. that every country's participant(s) went through to qualify.
Wrestling has a similar format - world placers from the previous year qualify their country and then there is a serious of Olympic qualification tournaments. They narrow down 170 or so countries to 18-22.

The US judo representative still has to qualify for the Olympics even if the US Olympic team trial has a small field. Still has to earn one of those 22 spots.

The NFHS only gathers information from high schools, they don't have information for club participation for sports, like judo, TKD, karate. So that information doesn't really make a point.

Nothing you posted changes the fact that Dillashaw was an average college wrestler. He beat out a couple of other average wrestlers on a severely underfunded and unremarkable team.
Dillashaw barely made it out of his conference's tournament, he was gifted a wild card slot after placing 6th out of 9 participants, and then was crushed at NCAA nationals.
A 0-6 record at the NCAA nationals is a sign of mediocrity; deal with it, you troglodyte.

You're inability to grasp how athletes qualify for the Olympics demonstrates you are a person of low intelligence.
 
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anyone know why invicta is on fightpass and still having a bw and sw division? do you think they're keeping the same weight classes like wec to merge later, or to have a place to put the ufc wmma when ronda/ draw/ popularity ceases to be as big as it is now?

there has to be a reason why this one org, a completely different org than the ufc, still retains all the weight classes. i can't imagine they're going to merge them all into the ufc, but i see this as a backdoor plan (pardon the expression) when / if/ ronda fails to draw or wmma fails to remain a novelty within the ufc

just a thought
 
The whole division is a joke.

No debate here, delusional people are gonna say otherwise.
 
LOL at WMMA being the thing that makes the UFC lose credibility. The girl fights are exciting. Girls are just coordinated differently than men. You can't tell me that the Cat Zingano/Meisha Tate fight wasn't a great fight. I jumped out of my seat when Liz was crushing Ronda's chin after she took her back. This WMMA bashing is just a bunch of male chauvinism and if anything it makes men lose credibility.
 
Again, winning the US nationals in Judo isn't an automatic qualifier for the Olympics. The Olympics only allowed 22 participates per weight division. So, there were qualifying tournaments, etc. that every country's participant(s) went through to qualify.
Wrestling has a similar format - world placers from the previous year qualify their country and then there is a serious of Olympic qualification tournaments. They narrow down 170 or so countries to 18-22.

The US judo representative still has to qualify for the Olympics even if the US Olympic team trial has a small field. Still has to earn one of those 22 spots.

The NFHS only gathers information from high schools, they don't have information for club participation for sports, like judo, TKD, karate. So that information doesn't really make a point.

Nothing you posted changes the fact that Dillashaw was an average college wrestler. He beat out a couple of other average wrestlers on a severely underfunded and unremarkable team.
Dillashaw barely made it out of his conference's tournament, he was gifted a wild card slot after placing 6th out of 9 participants, and then was crushed at NCAA nationals.
A 0-6 record at the NCAA nationals is a sign of mediocrity; deal with it, you troglodyte.

You're inability to grasp how athletes qualify for the Olympics demonstrates you are a person of low intelligence.


With other countries with equally small talent pool but let pretend that’s not the case.

Yes it does because my second link confirmes the numbers. It counts all participation. Not just high schools, you would know that if you could read…

But I know your intellectually disable that’s why you keep talking about Dillashaw or Olympics without ever saying just how many people are participating. Don’t every say the number, not even to yourself.
 
This WMMA bashing is just a bunch of male chauvinism and if anything it makes men lose credibility.

It doesn't make men lose credibility since a lot of male casual fans enjoy WMMA.

It makes SHITDOGGERS and the 'hardcore' fanbase lose credibility, in fact the true reason MMA struggles to grow might be that a significant portion of the fanbase is so appalling that no normal person wants to be associated with them. It's true. :icon_evil
 
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It doesn't make men lose credibility since most a lot of male casual fans enjoy WMMA.

It makes SHITDOGGERS and the 'hardcore' fanbase lose credibility, in fact the true reason MMA struggles to grow might be that a significant portion of the fanbase is so appalling that no normal person wants to be associated with them. It's true. :icon_evil

You know, I didn't look at it that way and you have a great point. It does reflect on the fan base. It's a shame cause these girls have been working very hard to get out there and do their thing you think that hardcore fights fans could at least give them some respect.
 
With other countries with equally small talent pool but let pretend that’s not the case.

Yes it does because my second link confirmes the numbers. It counts all participation. Not just high schools, you would know that if you could read…

But I know your intellectually disable that’s why you keep talking about Dillashaw or Olympics without ever saying just how many people are participating. Don’t every say the number, not even to yourself.
You dumb fuck, I've already stated the participation for college wrestling. My posts were in regards performance at the world level in an athlete's respective sport and comparison. You just don't have the mental capacity to follow that.
Dillashaw was an average wrestler. 4th, 4th,6th out of 9 at Pac-10s. Only qualified for nationals by receiving wild card bids. Didn't win a match at NCAA nationals.
High school wrestling medals do not equal Olympic or World level medals.
You're* an idiot.


*Notice the correct usage of you're, something your dumbass can't figure out.
 
The whole division is a joke.

No debate here, delusional people are gonna say otherwise.

I don't think it's a joke.

It isn't very good, but it isn't a joke.

This is a step towards improving the quality of WMMA; the bigger the rewards, the better the chance other Rousey-level female fighters will emerge.

It's entirely possible it will fail, but I'm glad they're trying.
 
You dumb fuck, I've already stated the participation for college wrestling. My posts were in regards performance at the world level in an athlete's respective sport and comparison. You just don't have the mental capacity to follow that.
Dillashaw was an average wrestler. 4th, 4th,6th out of 9 at Pac-10s. Only qualified for nationals by receiving wild card bids. Didn't win a match at NCAA nationals.
High school wrestling medals do not equal Olympic or World level medals.
You're* an idiot.


*Notice the correct usage of you're, something your dumbass can't figure out.

You really don't have an argument do you, I would feel bad about my spelling if it was my first language but it’s not even my second so…

Total 406 females or 16-29.6% make it to senior level.

U.S. Senior Nationals from 1990 – 2011

Totals 66-120 female

http://drannmaria.blogspot.com/2011/04/trends-in-judo-competition-in-us.html

Number of High School Wrestlers 272,149 or competing in college 3.3%

College Wrestling & Scholarship Opportunities

Totals 9,530 males

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/wrestling.html

What is important is the level of competition. But you can keep saying Olympic over and over to make yourself feel better.

Why do you even keep talking about Dillashaw?

Evidence ------------------------ your retardation.
 
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You really don't have an argument do you, I would feel bad about my spelling if it was my first language but it’s not even my second so…

Total 406 females or 16-29.6% make it to senior level.

U.S. Senior Nationals from 1990 – 2011

Totals 66-120 female

http://drannmaria.blogspot.com/2011/04/trends-in-judo-competition-in-us.html

Number of High School Wrestlers 272,149 or competing in college 3.3%

College Wrestling & Scholarship Opportunities

Totals 9,530 males

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/wrestling.html

What is important is the level of competition. But you can keep saying Olympic over and over to make yourself feel better.

Why do you even keep talking about Dillashaw?

Evidence ------------------------ your retardation.
Goddamn you are retarded. Rousey competed in the Olympics. Have I have repeatedly stated their were only 22 slots that year for the entire field, athletes had to go through qualifications to make the Olympics, it wasn't just winning nationals and then showing up at the Olympics.
Her competition pool was the entire world level in her weight division.

I told you why I mention Dillashaw (and other wrestlers), don't blame me for you not being able to comprehend what I posted.

Dillashaw wrestled at the division I level, about 77-80 teams when he was competing.
Again, you don't know how to interpret the data you are referring to; a reoccurring theme of yours.

Edgar, Faber, Evans, Shields, and on and on were average college wrestlers. Many didn't do anything past high school. They participated against the same size fields, depending on their year(s) of competition, there were 72-85 or so schools. Most were barely in the top third of that field. DII, NAIA were even smaller.

The original post I was responding to was stating that winning Olympic & world medals wasn't equal to a good high school or mediocre collegiate wrestling career.
Again, don't blame me for your inability to follow along. You are the one injecting points that no one else was mentioning and the one unable to interpret the data you are yapping about.
And on top of that you don't even know how the Olympics or college wrestling work.
 
I would be beyond stoked to see her fight men on the UFC undercards. Now THAT would be a great way to show exactly how all this sensationalist bullshit surrounding her is exactly that - sensationalist bullshit. When a BW ranked 20th or so fights her and finishes her as easily as she has finished all her challengers, then we can finally stop pretending she's "just that good".

Sherdog has this really unhealthy obsession with men beating on women.. you people probably should be serving jail time, not posting on forums.
 
Her competition pool was the entire world level in her weight division.

The original post I was responding to was stating that winning Olympic & world medals wasn't equal to a good high school or mediocre collegiate wrestling career.

Again, don't blame me for your inability to follow along. You are the one injecting points that no one else was mentioning and the one unable to interpret the data you are yapping about.
And on top of that you don't even know how the Olympics or college wrestling work.

Do you even know how many females actively compete in Judo in the world? Am going to take a not so wild guess and say you have no idea. You
 
this is why i hate women fighting. it seems like all the chicks line up to be fed to a manbeast. reminds me of ann wolfe. ronda is pretty enough but it would be interesting to have her testosterone levels checked. i'm not saying she is doping, just that she may have a high natural level of testosterone. does anybody remember the female runner that turned out to be a half male.
 
Do you even know how many females actively compete in Judo in the world? Am going to take a not so wild guess and say you have no idea. You’re arguing from ignorance you think because you don’t know the number other people don’t know the number.
Do you even know the difference between macro and micro?
The topic is “levels of competition” or macro and you keep talking about micro to defend it. But of course you’re going to do that because you don’t even know the number yourself.

You’re assuming that the number is large… It’s not.

There are less women actively competing in Judo in the world then men actively competing in Wrestling in the US.

Next time you want to argue something find out about it first.
You should take your own advice. I already told you that your interpretation of the wrestling data was wrong. You don't even understand how the system works. Fucking idiot, you are trying to argue a point that no one else was talking about. And you still don't understand what is being discussed.

The discussion I was in was about elite competition, world level. You are the dumb one going on about high school kids. Here is a newsflash for you: most high school athletes suck. The fighters I've mentioned didn't make it past that level or were average in college. That does nothing in regards to claiming high level competitors crossing over to mma.
But go ahead, keep putting up the numbers for high school kids.

Nothing you have posted changes the fact that the careers being discussed before your moronic ass bumbled into this thread were unremarkable.
 
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Dana trying so hard to establish her as a superstar with subpar competition has lost all credibility with me. Anyone with half a brain knew Davis had no chance.

this is exactly why carano is being trotted out and paid big $$$ to get her ass kicked.
 
We are yet to see a Woman smash high level opponents. If she beats Cat,Gina or Cyborg like she says she will then she can say she beat the best competition there is but right now she hasn't fought anyone.

A who have they fought that makes them special? Ronda has beaten better competition than all three of them.
 
You are fucking slow as fuck, what do you think makes them elite level competition in the first place. You fucking moron…

But why am I even saying this you're obviously mentally handicapped, you think just because someone comes from another country there elite level haha.
Read this slow and several times to get the message, you fucking dipshit.
You are looking at data for US high school teams to gauge participation in judo. Judo isn't setup like that in the US (does your dumbass really think only 740 or so teenage boys participate in judo or under 20,000 girls participate in gymnastics are only 76 boys compete in rodeo events) Karate, TKD, skiing, gymnastics and several other sports are structured the same as judo; they are vastly done through clubs and leagues outside of school.

You can't even grasp the concept that some countries have better developmental programs.
You think that because there are a large number of participates that the developmental system must be good. And a large number of "elite" athletes are developed. Again, most high school athletes are average, regardless of participation levels their skills don't automatically increase or decrease. It just means there are more or less average kids.
The participation data you are looking at doesn't show the structure of the US system. The competitors are highly partitioned.
Large participation from kids in say Ohio & California doesn't mean the participants in New Mexico or South Carolina are going to improve skillwise. That is why in high school sports certain states are viewed as being good in certain sports and the majority aren't highly regarded.
Most kids never see a competitor from out of state, many never see competitors from outside the region of the state they are in until the get to postseason. And the majority don't make it past the league/conference level anyway.

Tell me how that system equates to a bunch of elite athletes? In most circumstances it is just throwing a bunch of mud at a wall and hoping some sticks.
Look at Arizona for high school kids. 186 schools. But those are divided into 4 divisions. You're basing some kid being "elite" because he finished top four out of 45 or so teams.
Another reality for you: Average & below average athletes square off against each other, guess what, one has to win. That doesn't mean the winner is highly skilled, just that he is less shitty.

I never stated competitors being foreign means they are automatically elite. Again, you are displaying poor cognitive reasoning. And here you are using the logic you are accusing me of using with the NFHS data. Data that you don't understand. You are like a fool that took a semester of philosophy, you think you understand but you don't. You should write for the show Ancient Aliens, your failure to grasp logic and concepts would fit right in.

You should check out some high school competition before acting like having a bunch of puds participating increases skill level.
I stated those former wrestlers were average in their careers. They did little if anything to move up in competition. You are stating they should receive accolades because they were part of the mass of mediocrity.
 
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