UFC Has Lost All Credibility With RR/WMMA

Shogun_ said:
Anderson was put into some very compromising scenarios in which he looked like he was going to lose. Ronda has never even been hit cleanly yet. The level of WMMA is atrocious.

Can you imagine a male fighter with the exact same skill set as Ronda? He'd get tooled by anyone who knew how to strike or wrestle.
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Comparing the competition AS fought to what Rousey has is laughable.
 
Hardkore said:
Comparing the competition AS fought to what Rousey has is laughable.
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Exactly. Dan Henderson alone is a big enough name to negate everyone Ronda has ever fought, all combined. Period.
 
Shogun_ said:
Anderson was put into some very compromising scenarios in which he looked like he was going to lose. Ronda has never even been hit cleanly yet. The level of WMMA is atrocious.

Can you imagine a male fighter with the exact same skill set as Ronda? He'd get tooled by anyone who knew how to strike or wrestle.
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Watch the Carmouche fight. Watch the Tate fight.

Yes, we get it. Against men Rousey would be at a disadvantage. A male with her skill-level in Judo, who had developed his striking would probably do pretty well in the UFC though.
 
MilesAbove said:
Nah, TS. You're a big baby. Remember when JDS ktfo of Cain and everyone loved it?
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Yes because between those two anything could happen. Davis was fed to Rousey like a lamb to the slaughter.
 
Rittsy said:
Watch the Carmouche fight. Watch the Tate fight.

Yes, we get it. Against men Rousey would be at a disadvantage. A male with her skill-level in Judo, who had developed his striking would probably do pretty well in the UFC though.
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Learn to read homeboys post, he's saying if a dude had only the skillset Rousey has he'd get worked by a fighter with good stand up/wrestling
 
UFC as a product is stale today - the combination of over saturation, WMMA and focusing on lower weight classes(FW especially) has killed it for a lot of people. When was the last truly outstanding card? I can't even remember... This weeks card is shit outside of Cerrone/Miller, and Barboza/Dunham. Speaking of which, why weren't those fights on the 174 main card? I guess Zuffa thinks crap like Brimage/Doane and Hall/Santos is PPV worthy.
 
Hardkore said:
Yes because between those two anything could happen. Davis was fed to Rousey like a lamb to the slaughter.
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Hadn't lost to strikes since her first fight. 16-5 going into the fight. BB in JJJ and BJJ. Potential to nullify Rousey on the ground (since according to half this forum, Rousey has no stand-up and couldn't possibly develop any).

Davis was the underdog; but nobody thought Rousey would win like that. Davis earned a title shot; Rousey is just just really good at what she does. She's be a competitive athlete since she was 6, started Judo at 11, won a Bronze medal at the Olympics...she's talented.
 
Hardkore said:
Learn to read homeboys post, he's saying if a dude had only the skillset Rousey has he'd get worked by a fighter with good stand up/wrestling
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I did read it. And like I said, you go into the UFC with Black Belt in Judo and 3 years stand up experience and you could do well. He's not going to be the Champion, but there's nothing stopping them from doing well.

I honestly don't understand your problem TS. If you don't like the Women's Bantamweight Division don't watch it. If you want WMMA to improve, then there needs to be a reason for Women to transition to MMA; having Women's events in the UFC provides that. Invicta doesn't have the money or the audience to support it. Rousey gets attention, which helps the sport grow, which will expand the talent base.
 
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Rittsy said:
Hadn't lost to strikes since her first fight. 16-5 going into the fight. BB in JJJ and BJJ. Potential to nullify Rousey on the ground (since according to half this forum, Rousey has no stand-up and couldn't possibly develop any).

Davis was the underdog; but nobody thought Rousey would win like that. Davis earned a title shot; Rousey is just just really good at what she does. She's be a competitive athlete since she was 6, started Judo at 11, won a Bronze medal at the Olympics...she's talented.
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Not arguing wether she's talented or not, obviously she is. But stop hyping Davis, the UFC are giving her opponents she can thoroughly beat.
 
Lobotomie said:
To be fair when AS smashed the likes of Irvin, Forrest and Bonnar the grumbling of those that accused the UFC of feeding him handpicked opponents to make his star shine brighter was very audible.



And that is the problem with white knights here. Any criticism of WMMA (which lets face it is shallower then MMA ca. 1990) is dismissed as butthurt whining my mysagonists.

The talent pool and technique in WMMA are so subpar it is very difficult to rate the merits of those few that stand out.

If Miss Rousey where such a
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Hardkore said:
Not arguing wether she's talented or not, obviously she is. But stop hyping Davis, the UFC are giving her opponents she can thoroughly beat.
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If you are pissy that a just created Woman's division is not as talented as a Men's division that has had decades to develop then you have an issue.
 
Lobotomie said:
To be fair when AS smashed the likes of Irvin, Forrest and Bonnar the grumbling of those that accused the UFC of feeding him handpicked opponents to make his star shine brighter was very audible.



And that is the problem with white knights here. Any criticism of WMMA (which lets face it is shallower then MMA ca. 1990) is dismissed as butthurt whining my mysagonists.

The talent pool and technique in WMMA are so subpar it is very difficult to rate the merits of those few that stand out.

If Miss Rousey where such a
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I didn't know Dana/UFC even had credibility in the first place.
 
Yeah, the UFC should be upfront with us.

"Rousey vs. Davis...Davs has no chance so tune in to watch this beatdown"

I bet that would sell real well...the closest they came to doing that was Silva/Bonnar...I think the tagline was something like "A violent knockout or an epic upset", lol
 
riddleofsteel said:
Rousey did place 2nd at worlds and win an Olympic Bronze medal in judo, you make it sound like that isn't much. That is much more success in her first sport than most men in the UFC had in theirs. Beats the hell out of the average career wrestlers that have won and challenged for UFC titles. Or the two average ones that currently hold a belt.
Yes, the women's division is very shallow but at least the champ was successful on the world level in judo. Unless you think a ncaa nationals record of 0-6 carries the same prestige as an Olympic medal.
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For the record, Rousey won gold at junior world championships. As a senior she won silver at world's and bronze at the Olympics. So yes - she was never the absolute #1 in the world (at senior level)

What many forget here though, is that Rousey left judo for mma BEFORE reaching her prime in judo.

Had she stuck around for another Olympic cycle, she would have been one of the favourites to win gold at London Olympics.
 
Ronda had a sparkling judo career, very few people get to have that much success. Her continued improvement with each fight in her MMA career speaks to how much better she might have gotten had she continued.

What most non-judo people fail to understand is how quickly a judo fight is lost. Imagine what MMA would be like if you lost on the first good takedown or clean punch? It's a competition ruleset very different from MMA. Losing or winning one tournament like the Olympics doesn't make you the chump or the champ.

Furthermore, Ronda's adaption of her skillset is what makes her special. Any of her old judo rivals would get annihilated without at least as much MMA-specific training and dedication as she has. Likely even with it.
 
riddleofsteel said:
Rousey did place 2nd at worlds and win an Olympic Bronze medal in judo, you make it sound like that isn't much. That is much more success in her first sport than most men in the UFC had in theirs. Beats the hell out of the average career wrestlers that have won and challenged for UFC titles. Or the two average ones that currently hold a belt.
Yes, the women's division is very shallow but at least the champ was successful on the world level in judo. Unless you think a ncaa nationals record of 0-6 carries the same prestige as an Olympic medal.
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His assertion was correct get over it.
A world title or Olympic medal by itself does not indicate level of competition
 
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