Media UFC Gillette Commercial

[3nigma]

Why are so many grown ass men getting so salty over an ad? I find it odd that these same people are calling others cuck and snowflakes yet they seem to be hot and bothered over a simple commercial. Do they not realize that whining and bitching over this only makes them exactly the same as the people they call snowflakes and cuck?

People have an opinion on much bigger issues than this and are told to "shut up"

Thin skinned and easily melted.

 

[mkess101]

Every red-blooded man knows that women deserve to be hit, at least sometimes and with a modest amount of power.

Whether or not you do it depends on factors like kids being present, if she's going to snitch on you to the police, and several other things.

I know you are joking but as someone with a daughter even seeing a joke about this kinda pisses me off.

I need to make sure she chooses well when she gets older. Burying some abusive shithead after putting a bullet in him is a lot of work, and getting away with it isn't easy.

 

[mkess101]

Why are so many grown ass men getting so salty over an ad? I find it odd that these same people are calling others cuck and snowflakes yet they seem to be hot and bothered over a simple commercial. Do they not realize that whining and bitching over this only makes them exactly the same as the people they call snowflakes and cuck?

People have an opinion on much bigger issues than this and are told to "shut up"

Thin skinned and easily melted.

I tend to agree. I don't need Gillette being my moral compass, but it's pretty easy to just ignore the commercial. I ignore a lot of shit these days...

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

I know you are joking but as someone with a daughter even seeing a joke about this kinda pisses me off.

I need to make sure she chooses well when she gets older. Burying some abusive shithead after putting a bullet in him is a lot of work, and getting away with it isn't easy.

I have two daughters myself so I get it.

You probably know that the best way to make sure she chooses well (beyond your direct relationship with her) is by modeling a good relationship with her mother (or whomever her primary female attachment is).

That's why I get annoyed by things like the Gillette commercial. It accomplishes absolutely nothing of substance, and is completely unproductive (from everything I see). They care more about getting eyeballs on their product than they do about the core issue.

 

[Gamer2k4]

I'm going to ignore the racebaiting part of your argument.

It's not "racebaiting" to offer an analogous example for comparison. And if grouping black men together in that way is truly wrong because it is racebaiting (that is, "the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people" according to Merriam-Webster), then does that make the Gillette ad "genderbaiting"?

To be clear, I'm not advocating such a commercial depicting black people, and I'm certainly not saying it would be acceptable. But you don't get to say one is bigoted and one is not.

In regards to sexual harassment, a minority of men rape and sexually abuse girls, yes. But far more men commit microaggressions, which are the gateway that often times eventually leads to sexual harassment type behavior. Porn goes a long way in making men feel comfortable objectifying women, among other factors. I mean take a look at the way men talk about female fighters here on Sherdog, myself included. Is it the minority? Definitely not. I'd say the minority of people on here, DONT objectify female mma fighters, but just take a look at any Holly Holm/ Megan Anderson/McKenzie Dern / Paige VanZant thread.

As a man who is plenty guilty of committing micro aggressions myself, I'm capable of being self reflective and saying that yes, this is a big problem among men in general that needs to be addressed.

The problem here, which you demonstrate quite well, is the pervasive mindset that saying/doing/thinking negative things about men "doesn't count" and doesn't matter, or that men are the only ones that can be at fault for something. Do you really think that a (admittedly hypothetical) MMA forum of 95% women would be absolutely free of posts objectifying male fighters? Heck, we've got that here.

You readily call out problems which you feel are exclusive to the male demographic, which is good in some ways and very oblivious in others. Obviously every group should strive to correct the problems within their group, but it doesn't help anyone if we act as though everyone of a certain gender (or race or anything else) is guilty of those problems - ESPECIALLY if we're unwilling to call out other groups for the issues they have.

 

[TheToqueville]

It's not "racebaiting" to offer an analogous example for comparison. And if grouping black men together in that way is truly wrong because it is racebaiting (that is, "the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people" according to Merriam-Webster), then does that make the Gillette ad "genderbaiting"?

To be clear, I'm not advocating such a commercial depicting black people, and I'm certainly not saying it would be acceptable. But you don't get to say one is bigoted and one is not.



The problem here, which you demonstrate quite well, is the pervasive mindset that saying/doing/thinking negative things about men "doesn't count" and doesn't matter, or that men are the only ones that can be at fault for something. Do you really think that a (admittedly hypothetical) MMA forum of 95% women would be absolutely free of posts objectifying male fighters? Heck, we've got that here.

You readily call out problems which you feel are exclusive to the male demographic, which is good in some ways and very oblivious in others. Obviously every group should strive to correct the problems within their group, but it doesn't help anyone if we act as though everyone of a certain gender (or race or anything else) is guilty of those problems - ESPECIALLY if we're unwilling to call out other groups for the issues they have.

Where in my argument did I say that the problems were exclusively male? The answer is nowhere. Nor have I implied that women are free from similar behavior. That some women are guilty of the same behavior however, doesn't make my statement any less legitimate or accurate....that aggressions against females ( be it micro or macro) are a huge problem in male society, and the threads about female fighters in this forum offer plenty of evidence to support that assertion.

 

[mkess101]

I have two daughters myself so I get it.

You probably know that the best way to make sure she chooses well (beyond your direct relationship with her) is by modeling a good relationship with her mother (or whomever her primary female attachment is).

That's why I get annoyed by things like the Gillette commercial. It accomplishes absolutely nothing of substance, and is completely unproductive (from everything I see). They care more about getting eyeballs on their product than they do about the core issue.

For sure. I honestly just choose to ignore it. I don't need moral direction from fortune 500 corporations. I just don't have the time or energy to lash out against them or boycott or whatever.

I agree 100% that showing girls a good and stable relationship with their mom is the best way to influence who they end up with. Spot on.

 

[Evenflow80]

No, the full on morons are you that live in bubble. Men hate rapists and woman abusers so much that need to separate them from other killers in prison. We don't need some shitty commercial telling us. No rapist ever saw that ad and was like, oh shit. I better stop now. Lmao.

Umm I was saying the guy defending the ad is the moron. Maybe you got confused? I hate that fucking dumb ad. been saying it all along in this thread man

 

[Evenflow80]

Where in my argument did I say that the problems were exclusively male? The answer is nowhere. Nor have I implied that women are free from similar behavior. That some women are guilty of the same behavior however, doesn't make my statement any less legitimate or accurate....that aggressions against females ( be it micro or macro) are a huge problem in male society, and the threads about female fighters in this forum offer plenty of evidence to support that assertion.

I disagree. By and large, in developed 1st world countries like the United States the vast majority of women are not only treated with respect consistently, but in fact enjoy a lot of privelages men simply don't.

I don't agree with the notion that agressions against females are a HUGE problem in society, that to me is just pure feminist propaganda IMO

 

[Evenflow80]

Why are so many grown ass men getting so salty over an ad? I find it odd that these same people are calling others cuck and snowflakes yet they seem to be hot and bothered over a simple commercial. Do they not realize that whining and bitching over this only makes them exactly the same as the people they call snowflakes and cuck?

People have an opinion on much bigger issues than this and are told to "shut up"

Thin skinned and easily melted.

Thats not even remotely a fair comparasion. A full blown ad point blank saying only SOME men don't act like buffons, abusers, stalkers, bullies, and oafs isn't the same as a feminist getting upset because you used the wrong pronoun for their gender by accident.

Context dude, read about it sometimes.

A better example is like how many others on here have pointed out: a commercial about toxic blackness and then show blacks robbing stores, beating their gfs, abandoning their kids, etc then at the end say only some black men don't act that way and they can do better.

Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard to grasp, but here I am explaining the very obvious to you

 

[ralek4grammy]

LOL! They just messed the part with Rampage & Rumble. It's obvious mostly the whites were toxic in the original ad, and the black dudes upstanding and white-knightly.

This dude says pretty well what I'm thinking about the whole debacle:


Other than that, I'll stay away from the cesspool this thread will become.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

People debating this ad lol, yes bullying and sexual harassment is bad but that is not what is portrayed in the video. The video is comically feminist and racist. Some people on here must not have watched the original video.

 

[Rum]

I don't care what you think, i can kill you when you blink

Awwww, adorable like a tiny angry dog in a valley girl's purse

 

[EnsaladaLEGACY]

I wonder how many minority men saw this video and agreed with being a liberal cuck

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Awwww, adorable like a tiny angry dog in a valley girl's purse

Words pour outta you like a shit from your ass

 

[jeremyemilio]

Please link the Fox equivalent of "hey men, you can be better" for muslims. Fox gets shit for running misleading or false stories and non stop fear mongering about (pick a minority) under the guise of journalism. Their content is tailor made for their primary demographic of old white people.

They do exactly this. They constantly send messages that Muslims should be better people and stop being terrorists.

This ad is sending the message that men should be better people and stop being violent, abusive misogynists.

If you are a Muslim who says, "Wait... but the vast majority of us aren't terrorists. Only a few terrorists are terrorists, and there are lots of terrorists who aren't Muslim," then Fox basically paints you as a Muslim apologist, and says you are culpable because you don't do more to condemn the terrorists.

If you are a man who says, "Wait... but the vast majority of us aren't violent, abusive misogynists. Only a few violent, abusive misogynists, and there are a lot of violent, abusive people who aren't men," the the left (Gillette and yourself included, it seems) paints you as an apologist for violent, abusive misogynists and say you are culpable because you don't do more to condemn the violent, abusive misogynists.

Here, why don't you explain to me the finer details of how Hannity et al's view on Muslims in materially different from Gillette's view on men?

 

[jeremyemilio]

What's wrong with the portrayal? All this outrage about this stupid commercial makes it out as if it's an attack on "being a man" or men in general which is obtuse as fuck and means you either are going out of your way to be offended or you relate with the men portrayed negatively in the video. It clearly shows some men's behavior as bad (bullying, sexual harassment) and others as not bad (stopping bullying and sexual harassment) and its message is "more men should be good".

Sure. But it's implicit message is that most men are bad.

And there absolutely are parallels out there for other groups.

For over a century local news was BUILT around focusing in on black crime, and then playing innocent when people complained by saying "but, but, we aren't talking about ALL blacks... we're just reporting on the bad ones." Bullshit.

For a couple of decades now, conservative news outlets have been BUILT around focusing on crime committed by illegal immigrants, and then playing innocent when people complained by saying "but, but, we aren't talking about ALL immigrants... we're just reporting on the bad ones." Bullshit.

Since 9/11 talk radio has been BUILT around focusing on terrorism committed by Muslims, and then playing innocent when people complain by saying "but, but, we aren't talking about ALL immigrants... we're just discussing the bad ones." Bullshit.

And ditto for women, BTW. For millennia now religion and culture has made hay of dishonest, deceptive, disloyal women, and then playing innocent when people complain by saying "but, but, we aren't talking about ALL women... we're just warning people about the bad ones." Bullshit.

So now Gillette has an ad that focuses on the violence, sexism, and harassment committed by men, and then playing innocent when people complain by saying "but, but, we aren't talking about ALL men... we're just condemning the bad ones." Well guess what? BULLSHIT.

Still not convinced? Then, why don't you just tell me who in hell this ad is for? Are bad people supposed to watch this ad and say, "You know what? They're right. Maybe I SHOULD stop being such a sociopathic asshole."? Or is it for good people to watch and say, "Yup. I hate sociopathic assholes. I'ma buy me some razors."?

What's next? A toothpaste ad that condemns cannibalism?

"Take care of your teeth... but don't use them to eat people!"

Well no shit, Sherlock. Who here was going to eat people... other than, you know, psychopathic cannibals? And somehow I doubt your toothpaste ad is going to stop them.

 

[Toad Rogan]

You honestly don't think there'd be backlash against an ad advising the black American community not to engage in something like "toxic blackness"? And that maybe that hypothetical backlash would be valid, however accurate or legitimate the message?

Fuck outta here.

There are advocacy groups built specifically to address problems in the black community like absentee fathers that make videos like this:

If anyone had backlash to something like this no, I wouldn't think it's valid.

 

[Toad Rogan]

It's not "racebaiting" to offer an analogous example for comparison. And if grouping black men together in that way is truly wrong because it is racebaiting (that is, "the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people" according to Merriam-Webster), then does that make the Gillette ad "genderbaiting"?

To be clear, I'm not advocating such a commercial depicting black people, and I'm certainly not saying it would be acceptable. But you don't get to say one is bigoted and one is not.



The problem here, which you demonstrate quite well, is the pervasive mindset that saying/doing/thinking negative things about men "doesn't count" and doesn't matter, or that men are the only ones that can be at fault for something. Do you really think that a (admittedly hypothetical) MMA forum of 95% women would be absolutely free of posts objectifying male fighters? Heck, we've got that here.

You readily call out problems which you feel are exclusive to the male demographic, which is good in some ways and very oblivious in others. Obviously every group should strive to correct the problems within their group, but it doesn't help anyone if we act as though everyone of a certain gender (or race or anything else) is guilty of those problems - ESPECIALLY if we're unwilling to call out other groups for the issues they have.

Your last paragraph hits on the whole absurdity I find in the outrage over this - neither the video nor anybody that should be taken seriously is making the argument that every man is guilty of these problems. It's pointing out that some men do bad shit and as a man you shouldn't give that bad behavior a pass. As a man, I don't feel targeted by that message at all because I'm not someone that does that awful shit. I acknowledge some percentage of men do and I know people that have been victims. I think societal change away from giving men a pass for shitty behavior is a good thing.

 

[Toad Rogan]

They do exactly this. They constantly send messages that Muslims should be better people and stop being terrorists.

This ad is sending the message that men should be better people and stop being violent, abusive misogynists.

If you are a Muslim who says, "Wait... but the vast majority of us aren't terrorists. Only a few terrorists are terrorists, and there are lots of terrorists who aren't Muslim," then Fox basically paints you as a Muslim apologist, and says you are culpable because you don't do more to condemn the terrorists.

If you are a man who says, "Wait... but the vast majority of us aren't violent, abusive misogynists. Only a few violent, abusive misogynists, and there are a lot of violent, abusive people who aren't men," the the left (Gillette and yourself included, it seems) paints you as an apologist for violent, abusive misogynists and say you are culpable because you don't do more to condemn the violent, abusive misogynists.

Here, why don't you explain to me the finer details of how Hannity et al's view on Muslims in materially different from Gillette's view on men?

A talking head segment about restricting muslims from entering the US is not at all the same as the ad. This is a fear mongering segment with some misinformation aimed at pushing people to support specific policy that targets an entire group of people not based on their actions but based on their perceived threat based on being part of the group. The commercial is saying there is a problem that exists in society and here are examples of how to be a better person. If the commercial advocated laws against men because some men engage in bad behavior that would be the equivalent.

Also, how many people were victims of Islamic terrorism in the US last year? How many women were victims of sexual assault last year? Both are legitimate problems but one is much more endemic to society.