UFC Fight Night: Machado Garry vs. Prates

[StewDogg11]

Thats pretty recent too. Like -30 years. Guy was pretty nuts tho didnt he take some mma fights as an old man?

Anyway Prates cardio at least seems good and power carries late.

Yeah he got DQ’d in one for kneeing the guy in the spine lmao.

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

Aliskerov might have the worst chin in MMA.

Bro had a legit fencing response to a mid Khamzat uppcut

 

[BigSteve]

Aliskerov might have the worst chin in MMA.

Bro had a legit fencing response to a mid Khamzat uppcut

Mid? I wonder what a clean upercut looks to you

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

Mid? I wonder what a clean upercut looks to you

I've seen bigger uppercuts land and no one go down.

To fence like that before the follow up shot even landed is wild to me.



This Aliskerov is the same guy who gave Whittaker his first stoppage win in almost 10 years.

Yeah, he can't take a punch.

Andre Muniz don't have a chin either though, and Aliskerov has the power to easily KO him!

 

[mkess101]

I think more talk about Aliskerov's chin is warranted given the massive KO threat that Muniz has proven to be while standing. Clearly there's a high probability that he lands something similar to what Khmazat or Whittaker did on Aliskerov, just look at the striking wizard that Muniz has proven himself to be. The standup is really his world, can't imagine he'll try to get his grappling going here. The times we've seen him standing, dude kind of reminds me of a prime Anderson Sliva.

RIP glass jaw Aliskerov. Muniz about to take your head off, bro.

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

My comment actually didn't have anything to do with this week's fight.

I just posted it because it's Aliskerov fight week.

But if Whittaker who can't finish anybody can drop someone twice in a 2 minute fight, then I can't say it's an 0% chance.

Will Muniz be attempting to chain wrestle a sambo champion - I don't have the answer to that question.

From what Aliskerov has shown in his career so far, he isn't very technical on the feet at all.

I'd say he's an eyesore honestly.

He might be like Dricus where it ends up making him more dangerous, or he might be like Impa, where it means he just ends up getting chinned by anyone half decent that he fights because of it.

Muniz has a decent calf kick and teep, this fight is potentially going to be very close on the feet if there isn't much grappling/ Muniz's glass jaw doesn't give way

 

[Guld]

Any idea what Prates' grappling/ground game is like?
I have a feeling Garry tries to make it a grappling affair. He was able to stall MVP quite well, but I imagine Prates having BJJ credentials will be more of a risk if he plans to go that way.

 

[Thesnake101]

Any idea what Prates' grappling/ground game is like?
I have a feeling Garry tries to make it a grappling affair. He was able to stall MVP quite well, but I imagine Prates having BJJ credentials will be more of a risk if he plans to go that way.

No idea but Caio and Jean have shown themselves to be quite proficient grapplers so I doubt Prates will be a fish out of water there, if only because he's got more experience than them.

Thing I find most compelling for backing him at dog odds (first time he's been anything less than a moderate favorite in the UFC) is that Ian didn't do any training at Kill Cliff or Chute Boxe due to short-notice. Feels like the sort of thing that's a death sentence for someone who fights on thin margins.

Money beeen coming in on Flick, interesting development though I'm still not touching that fight aside from a stab at Matt by sub at crazy odds.

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

I get that Alves and Bruno aren't really grapplers, but Abus pushed a grappling pace in both fights and didn't fade. Went 15 minutes with Alves controlling him the whole time. Subbed Bruno in rd 3. I'd say those being his 2 most recent performances show he can push a grappling pace and go all 3. He's likely gonna be the one initiating grappling, so how he'd do vs Fluffy is kind of irrelevant. Michal showed that if he's forced to defend off his back, he'll gas early.

Now if people think Abus can't wretle well enough to either keep Michal down or repeatedly take him down that's one thing. But if he's able to early, seems likely that Michal will slow way more quickly.

I wouldn't say Abus pushed a pace against either of those guys really.

He got takedowns 30 seconds into the 2nd and 3rd round against Alves, and pretty much was able to spend the rest of the round in top position.

Against Ferreira he landed 26 significant strikes in a 13 minute fight - I will give him some credit though for being able to get a finish in the 3rd round, but Ferreira himself had never had a fight go longer than 6 minutes prior to that fight, and is most likely a gasser himself.

22 significant strikes against Alves.

Compared that to Hernandez who you are kind of claiming Abus can mimick.

101 significant strikes just in the first 3 rounds against Pereira.

Abus' 22 signifcant strike wrestling gameplan is not going to be "pushing the pace" anywhere near like Fluffy's did.

That's also not to mention Fluffy went 1 from 8 takedowns in round 1.

Fluffy is likely a better wrestler than Abus, and if Abus goes 1 from 8 in round 1, he will probably die.

We also have footage of Abus gassing after a round in a striking match vs Strickland, where he should have been in the shape of his life, due to having done a training camp for a 5 round fight.

TLDR: Fluffy literally landed 5X as many significant strikes in rounds 1-3 vs Pereira, as Abus did vs Alves in a fight where he supposedly "pushed the pace". Abus also went 6 from 7 takedowns vs Alves and didn't have to work for the takedowns. Fluffy managed to land 1 takedown in the same amount of attempts vs Pereira, if Pereira can defend the takedowns as well vs Abus, which he logically should, Abus will most likely need inhaler.

 

[mkess101]

I wouldn't say Abus pushed a pace against either of those guys really.

He got takedowns 30 seconds into the 2nd and 3rd round against Alves, and pretty much was able to spend the rest of the round in top position.

Against Ferreira he landed 26 significant strikes in a 13 minute fight - I will give him some credit though for being able to get a finish in the 3rd round, but Ferreira himself had never had a fight go longer than 6 minutes prior to that fight, and is most likely a gasser himself.

22 significant strikes against Alves.

Compared that to Hernandez who you are kind of claiming Abus can mimick.

101 significant strikes just in the first 3 rounds against Pereira.

Abus' 22 signifcant strike wrestling gameplan is not going to be "pushing the pace" anywhere near like Fluffy's did.

That's also not to mention Fluffy went 1 from 8 takedowns in round 1.

Fluffy is likely a better wrestler than Abus, and if Abus goes 1 from 8 in round 1, he will probably die.

We also have footage of Abus gassing after a round in a striking match vs Strickland, where he should have been in the shape of his life, due to having done a training camp for a 5 round fight.

TLDR: Fluffy literally landed 5X as many significant strikes in rounds 1-3 vs Pereira, as Abus did vs Alves in a fight where he supposedly "pushed the pace". Abus also went 6 from 7 takedowns vs Alves and didn't have to work for the takedowns. Fluffy managed to land 1 takedown in the same amount of attempts vs Pereira.

My point is more that he may not NEED to be Fluffy to get 2 rounds here with his grappling. Not that he's as good at pushing a pace as Fluffy.

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

My point is more that he may not NEED to be Fluffy to get 2 rounds here with his grappling. Not that he's as good at pushing a pace as Fluffy.

Michel gassed because Fluffy made him work at a superhuman level.

Abus' cardio is a complete joke.

The only time he ever fought at a pace like Fluffy (32 sig strikes in round 1 vs Strickland), he gassed after 5 minutes.

One final time: Michel gassed quickly vs Fluffy because he couldn't handle that pace, Abus does not have that in him

 

[mkess101]

Michel gassed because Fluffy made him work at a superhuman level.

Abus' cardio is a complete joke.

The only time he ever fought at a pace like Fluffy (32 sig strikes in round 1 vs Strickland), he gassed after 5 minutes.

One final time: Michel gassed quickly vs Fluffy because he couldn't handle that pace, Abus does not have that in him

Dude, this is a 3 round fight and Abus has shown that in all but one fight he's been able to dictate grappling and not gas. Michel may well not gas vs Abus, but Abus doesn't need him to in order to win. He can get 2 rounds by pushing a grappling pace similar to his last couple fights and Michel may at least slow down. Maybe not, but it's not MORE likely that Abus gasses here.

You say shit like his cardio is a "complete joke" while using only sig strikes as your criteria for pushing a pace. Do you actually think that's the only way to push a pace???

Maybe you should focus some more on Aliskerov's weak chin since he's fighting such a capable KO artist in Muniz this weekend LOL.

 

[DalchaLungiambula]

Dude, this is a 3 round fight and Abus has shown that in all but one fight he's been able to dictate grappling and not gas. Michel may well not gas vs Abus, but Abus doesn't need him to in order to win. He can get 2 rounds by pushing a grappling pace similar to his last couple fights and Michel may at least slow down. Maybe not, but it's not MORE likely that Abus gasses here.

You say shit like his cardio is a "complete joke" while using only sig strikes as your criteria for pushing a pace. Do you actually think that's the only way to push a pace???

Maybe you should focus some more on Aliskerov's weak chin since he's fighting such a capable KO artist in Muniz this weekend LOL.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

First it was Abus can win because Pereira gasses, now it's Abus can win because whenever he's wrestled he's won .

Abus isn't Flufffy, but he's the better wrestler in this matchup and Michel gassed after about a round of grappling vs Fluffy. I expect Michel to have a good round 1 but Abus to push a wrestling pace and by rd 2 Pereira to slow way down.

IMO it was how soon he gassed vs Fluffy. I think most of us probably assumed that maybe midway through rd 3 if Pereira hadn't have gotten Fluffy out of there he was cooked. What opened my eyes was that after rd 1 he really put up almost no resistance.

Yes because I'm using empirical data.

The one time Abus landed more significant strikes in round 1 than he did in two fights that went for 13+ minutes, he gassed badly.

~25 significant strikes in a 15 minute fight is the output of someone who has zero pace - that's what he's put up the last 2 times he's fought.

Prior to that he tried to fight at a higher output as far as significant strikes are concerned, and guess what, it's the one fight where he was stumbling around with his hands in his lap after 5 minutes, and got TKOed by pillow-fists Strickland.

And now you prove you're a troll, because I already said that I don't expect Muniz to KO Aliskerov.

That comment had nothing to do with Muniz/ Aliskerov, it was because it's Alikserov fight week.

Please go back under your bridge troll

 

[Guld]

Pulled my Garry bet. I thought more money would come in on him over time, but it seems the opposite is happening.

Currently on Prates. My logic is that, even if he is the wrong horse to back, I should have plenty of time to recognize it and cash out/swap to a Garry bet/hedge. I really don't see Garry nabbing a sudden finish, and at the near even odds it should play nicely that way. (hopefully)

Got bets on Pereira, Schnell, and Giga as well. Not super confident in any of them, but that's why it's called gambling haha.

 

[burge13]

Now you're moving the goalposts.

First it was Abus can win because Pereira gasses, now it's Abus can win because whenever he's wrestled he's won .




Yes because I'm using empirical data.

The one time Abus landed more significant strikes in round 1 than he did in two fights that went for 13+ minutes, he gassed badly.

~25 significant strikes in a 15 minute fight is the output of someone who has zero pace - that's what he's put up the last 2 times he's fought.

Prior to that he tried to fight at a higher output as far as significant strikes are concerned, and guess what, it's the one fight where he was stumbling around with his hands in his lap after 5 minutes, and got TKOed by pillow-fists Strickland.

And now you prove you're a troll, because I already said that I don't expect Muniz to KO Aliskerov.

That comment had nothing to do with Muniz/ Aliskerov, it was because it's Alikserov fight week.

Please go back under your bridge troll

Don't forget the Fibonacci Sequence in your analysis

 

[mkess101]

Now you're moving the goalposts.

First it was Abus can win because Pereira gasses, now it's Abus can win because whenever he's wrestled he's won .




Yes because I'm using empirical data.

The one time Abus landed more significant strikes in round 1 than he did in two fights that went for 13+ minutes, he gassed badly.

~25 significant strikes in a 15 minute fight is the output of someone who has zero pace - that's what he's put up the last 2 times he's fought.

Prior to that he tried to fight at a higher output as far as significant strikes are concerned, and guess what, it's the one fight where he was stumbling around with his hands in his lap after 5 minutes, and got TKOed by pillow-fists Strickland.

And now you prove you're a troll, because I already said that I don't expect Muniz to KO Aliskerov.

That comment had nothing to do with Muniz/ Aliskerov, it was because it's Alikserov fight week.

Please go back under your bridge troll

Yes, Michel may slow down. Which is true. And "empirical data" of ONE stat to gauge pace when we're talking about GRAPPLING and not striking anyway!

And this is a forum about THESE fights. Why bring up a guy's chin when his opponent presents almost no threat standing anyway??

Man, you just get clowned here nonstop and keep coming back. Kind of amazing.

 

[BigSteve]

Any idea what Prates' grappling/ground game is like?
I have a feeling Garry tries to make it a grappling affair. He was able to stall MVP quite well, but I imagine Prates having BJJ credentials will be more of a risk if he plans to go that way.

Hes a black belt. He almost subbed that Daggy that beat him back in the day in ONE.
In round 3 he took his back after being grappler for 15 minutes.
That was 5 years ago.

 

[PuertoRican]

Hes a black belt. He almost subbed that Daggy that beat him back in the day in ONE.
In round 3 he took his back after being grappler for 15 minutes.
That was 5 years ago.

And that was in June 2019, when Prates was still a part-time MMA fighter with a 10-5 MMA record. He didn't retire from pro Muay Thai and kickboxing until November 2021.

He hasn't lost an MMA fight since he retired from Muay Thai and kickboxing. 10-0 win streak since switching to MMA full-time.

 

[Guld]

Giga was 1lb over limit.

 

[Brady12Gronk87]

what am I missing on onama and romero being huge locks. Their fight, and onamas last three (with obvious progression) are so impressive. Garry vs Prates is a hell of a fight, but Prates is electric. Think he wins by a telling decision