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https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/11/01/ufc-using-francis-ngannou-to-help-case/

New contract change allows UFC to ‘pause’ sunset clauses

John Nash explains the brand new changes to the sunset clause in UFC contracts and why Jon Jones might have lost out on a generational wealth payday against Francis Ngannou.
Similarly, former UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou, who PFL signed in May 2023, indicated in the press that PFL offered him more compensation than any other competitor MMA promotion, including UFC. Moreover, it has increasingly drawn athletes away from UFC directly rebutting Plaintiffs’ theory that “elite” MMA athletes would not be willing to leave UFC for competitors. If plaintiff’s allegation in this case and Johnson regarding allegedly exclusionary contracts were correct, UFC fighters would not be signing contracts with competitors.”

*Note: The “Johnson” they refer to is the second antitrust case that Kajan Johnson, C.B. Dollaway, et al launched to cover contract dates that were effective after July 1, 2017.

That’s their argument and it basically means if the UFC had an exclusionary contract and were a monopsony, their fighters couldn’t go and sign contracts with the competitors. Nash figures this could be a stalling tactic by the promotion:


“It just strikes me as an attempt that if the appeal process fails, if the appeal isn’t picked up by the Ninth Circuit, they’re trying to delay the case even longer. I thought it was well written, but if you follow the business, if you follow MMA, the arguments they make don’t quite line up with the reality of how the business, the state of the industry is actually like.”

Brand new change to the sunset clause to prevent another Francis Ngannou

It’s important to remember that Francis Ngannou was able to leave the company by waiting out the sunset clause in his contract. That sunset clause was introduced as a response to the Le et al. v Zuffa antitrust lawsuit and ensured that the promotion couldn’t continuously extend the terms of fighter contracts indefinitely, capping those terms at the five year mark. Before 2017, it did not exist.

Since its inception, the clause has undergone changes, and most recently, a significant change all but ensures the contracted fighter cannot just wait out the length of their contract for release. Nash provides some information and context to the new adjustment:


“The first set of changes to the clause was noted when Taila Santos’ contract was made public after it appeared in an unrelated court case. Two alterations were clear:




    • The five year sunset provision would now kick in on the date of the first fight on the contract, rather than the previous iteration where it began the day you singed the contract
    • The contract could be ‘paused’ in cases of suspension (could possibly include medical suspensions)
A further change has appeared in the newest contracts Nash has been made privy to, as well:

“On top of those changes, a brand new one is here, and it’s even more restrictive. Basically, what it says is that if you turn down fights and the UFC doesn’t think you have a legitimate enough reason to turn down said fights, they can again pause the five year period. Let’s say it’s the third year of a fighter’s contract and they decide, ‘You know what, I don’t like what I’m being offered, I’m just going to wait out my contract’. Well, the UFC can say that you are refusing to take a legitimate offer, and that five year period will be paused. So it ruins the whole purpose of a sunset clause.”
He went on to state,

“So their argument is, ‘Oh, ‘Francis Ngannou was an example of how we didn’t have monopoly power.’ But that would only apply to the brief period that you changed your contracts so they were no longer perpetual. That’s only a couple-year window, which now no longer applies to the reason under the new contracts.”

The biggest loser is Jon Jones

When Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou talks were in the earliest stages a few years ago, Dana White was quick to throw Jones under the bus for asking for an “absurd amount of money” to fight the Cameroonian. Ngannou would champion Jonny’s cause, though, echoing the need for a purse bump for the superfight.


Since then, Ngannou has left the UFC, signed a mega deal with the PFL, fought the lineal heavyweight boxing champion of the world and took him to a contested split decision where many thought he won. Jon Jones, by comparison, signed another restrictive contract and locked himself out of the biggest fight MMA—maybe even all combat sports—has to offer.

Nash figures the odds of that superfight happening are between none and a snowball’s chance in the hot place:

They’d have to co-promote with PFL. That’s never going to happen. They will never co-promote. The next step would be if Ngannou somehow get out of his PFL contract in a reasonable time and then with the UFC, he’s going to want something akin to what he’s making in boxing, right? That might be too much for the UFC to give him because they don’t want to break their business model.


He continued,

“The other step would be for Jon Jones to get out of his contract. The problem is, he just re-signed. My understanding is he probably had a sunset clause and could have waited until next year, been out of that contract, and then fought Ngannou. Everybody I’ve talked to in the industry, they all say that fight is huge. It’d be huge even outside the UFC because of the interest level in it.

If someone fumbled a bag, it might be Jon Jones, because if that fight sells as much as people think, like 1.5 million buys, 1.6, just a huge number of buys that people think it would do, like one of the biggest MMA fights, perhaps the biggest ever, he would have not only doubled what he’s making with the UFC, but quadrupled what they’re paying him. So, he lost out on a generational wealth match and possibly a rematch if they wanted to do it again

 
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UFC unfair contracts would be a minimal cliff yeah?


Edit: Thank you TS for responding in teh OP.

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Wow, that is a wall of text. You know, the MMA guys need to unionize. That’s the long and the short of it. Just another clause used to fuck fighters over. Will it happen? Doubt it. Boxers never unionized. And we see what happens, a handful of fighters do very well. Everyone else starves or works 2nd jobs.
 
Wow, that is a wall of text. You know, the MMA guys need to unionize. That’s the long and the short of it. Just another clause used to fuck fighters over. Will it happen? Doubt it. Boxers never unionized. And we see what happens, a handful of fighters do very well. Everyone else starves or works 2nd jobs.
Folks complained and needed hand holding. Plus bloody elbow had some shit pop up outta nowhere but I felt the content was good.
 
The thing with this kind of shit is that the UFC is fully aware that this wouldn't hold up in court. But they're also aware that every fighter who tries to stand up to them will waste so much time it basically ends their career.
 
There is a reason for contracts. It isn't about one side screwing the other. It's about both sides being protected to a certain extent. There is no doubt that the UFC tilts the scales in their favor. In any negotiation that is what each side is trying to do. The problem is the fighters, managers, and talent agencies haven't had the balls to ever do something about it and the UFC is always willing to push it to the edge of the cliff and some people's minds over the edge. Currently the class action suit is a step in the right direction. But like in all sports at some point the athlete's have to come together and stand up. None of the athletes in the major sports would be making the money they are if it wasn't for the people before them that took the stand. It's the natural progression of any sport and in a lot of businesses. I guarantee Ari and Dana know that day is coming. But until it does they will continue business as usual and no one should be shocked.

At what point as fans do you just say WTF to the athletes of the sport and start putting some blame on them???????
 
Folks complained and needed hand holding. Plus bloody elbow had some shit pop up outta nowhere but I felt the content was good.

it’s alright, but the meat of the article is about a paragraph long. Basically, you fight who we tell you, and you need to play ball or else, we just lock you up. The funny thing is a lot of fighters really don’t care who they fight until they get in the top 10-15.
 
There should be no such thing as a sunset clause let alone being able to extend it with any flimsy excuse. UFC is an extortion racket. Honestly hope the fighters get paid the fuck out and those who want it can void their shitty contracts.
 
There is a reason for contracts. It isn't about one side screwing the other. It's about both sides being protected to a certain extent. There is no doubt that the UFC tilts the scales in their favor. In any negotiation that is what each side is trying to do. The problem is the fighters, managers, and talent agencies haven't had the balls to ever do something about it and the UFC is always willing to push it to the edge of the cliff and some people's minds over the edge. Currently the class action suit is a step in the right direction. But like in all sports at some point the athlete's have to come together and stand up. None of the athletes in the major sports would be making the money they are if it wasn't for the people before them that took the stand. It's the natural progression of any sport and in a lot of businesses. I guarantee Ari and Dana know that day is coming. But until it does they will continue business as usual and no one should be shocked.

At what point as fans do you just say WTF to the athletes of the sport and start putting some blame on them???????

they absolutely deserve some of the blame. They really need the top guys to get some cohesion. That’s how it changed in baseball. The top guys just had enough of the reserve clause, and put a work stoppage together. The funny thing is a lot of the paying public would support it. It wouldn’t be all positive but Americans like to support their athletes, for whatever reason, and it’s the major paying market.
 
There is a reason for contracts. It isn't about one side screwing the other. It's about both sides being protected to a certain extent. There is no doubt that the UFC tilts the scales in their favor. In any negotiation that is what each side is trying to do. The problem is the fighters, managers, and talent agencies haven't had the balls to ever do something about it and the UFC is always willing to push it to the edge of the cliff and some people's minds over the edge. Currently the class action suit is a step in the right direction. But like in all sports at some point the athlete's have to come together and stand up. None of the athletes in the major sports would be making the money they are if it wasn't for the people before them that took the stand. It's the natural progression of any sport and in a lot of businesses. I guarantee Ari and Dana know that day is coming. But until it does they will continue business as usual and no one should be shocked.

At what point as fans do you just say WTF to the athletes of the sport and start putting some blame on them???????
The 3 kings had a platform and should have used it. Imagine a handful of current champions making an announcement that they demand changes be made. Imagine 3-5 champions threatening to strike if contracts aren't more fighter friendly, and a solid minimum fight wage established. Would the UFC strip three champions of their belts?
Ngannou, Usman, and Izzy had a platform and never used it.
 
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