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[kflo]

And same to you. No I was actually curious

I train mostly Muay Thai and boxing but I also do full mma sparring (along with boxing and Muay Thai sparring) so I’m aware of and practice against all aspects.

 

[weaselkenievil]

You’re a smart guy, I just think you don’t really understand the massive damage changing the ufcs business model will do to the sport of MMA.

And Im not discounting the Brazilians, we all know fighting in the ufc is their goal because the company pays them enough so they can get out of the favelas.

We’ll agree to disagree. I’ve got to go to bed. Good debate though. I do understand your position, I just disagree. In a bit mate.

 

[SubsmotherLMJVG]

The death of mma is upon us. Once the Ali Act is in effect there will be no leverage to make the best fight the best.

That nots true!

 

[GaryEric]

i will play

 

[SubsmotherLMJVG]

Shoutout bro for being the most knowledgeable fight fan in this thread.

Absolutely stupid!

There’s no way mma stays as popular as it is if the ufc gets fractured like boxing. Boxing survives off about 5-10 big names fighting once per year with nobodies filling the undercards. The UFC has Conor who draws ppvs and who else? Nobody. People buy the cards to watch ufc.

 

[Rey8703]

What am I talking about? I asked you if you think it’s ok for some businesses to operate like that and not okay for others, or do you just plain not care about the others and are only attacking the ufc cause you’re biased.

Also. If it’s illegal why are other businesses allowed to operate that way?

Who gave you your black belt in whataboutisms? Jesus christ man we're not here to talk about other companies that treat their "contractors" like shit. We're talking about the ufc!

 

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[Blayt7hh]

An Ali act will be a disaster for mma.

Well either way this lawsuit will take years to resolve and I still see UFC coming out on top

Yeah I want the average fighter to get paid more. But look at how boxing runs these days. It’s hard to get the best fighters in the ring together. I wish they could find another way

 

[jsbx45]

The death of mma is upon us. Once the Ali Act is in effect there will be no leverage to make the best fight the best.

that is already NOT happening

 

[zuffazombee]

For everyone complaining about the UFC's revenue share with fighters; how does increasing the % change anything?

A fixed percentage works when there are limits on roster size (baseball, football, basketball, hockey, etc). Trying to enforce a fixed percentage on a company whose roster is in constant flux, is impossible.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Of course I do, why would I have that opinion on MMA and not apply that to boxing? That would be odd. Is there something wrong with ripping on the UFC for making profits off the fighters? Not sure where you’re coming from, why aren’t you siding with the fighters?

I agree with you that the fighters should be paid more, but I don't think the Ali act is the way to make it happen.

If you want the top fighters to make sure it probably is, but if you want better pay for people on the prelims, I think it would actually make things worse for them.

 

[DestinedAussie]

If that’s available on google then I can’t deny that, indisputable fact. And yeah my job has increased over the years too, in the UK we get a pay raise vs inflation. Sure the UFC have made a decent wedge, they could pass that on to the fighters.

Go look at what any fighter earns vs Dana, that is wrong and they deserve more than that red faced bald twat.

Actually Dana deserves more. He generates so much more revenue for the company than any single fighter. He has grown that brand to the point we all argue about it. I think Dana deserves what he earns, not to say fighters shouldn't get more, just that he has run the company well from a point where it was nothing much.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

first, the ali act, as constituted, references sanctioning bodies throughout. there are none for mma. i don't think the ali act as is should be applied to mma in part for this reason. it was created for boxing that already had a system in place, one that doesn't exist for mma. for this reason, it would be irresponsible to just take the ali act and say it applies to mma. it's nonsensical.

as you know, mma is built on regional promotions who have their own belts and champions.

my problem with the ali act is that it's not built for mma and there's no consideration for how it impacts US promotions and how they operate, with no system to replace it. and it only applies to the US, so other global promotions don't need to comply. boxing hasn't established itself as an ideal model to tear down the mma landscape to try to replicate boxing.

we can talk about what changes should be made to business practices within the sport (which ones can be considered illegal or predatory), but i don't see the ali act as the answer.

i train with fighters too and i too want the sport to grow and prosper. it starts from the ground up.

All very good points. I didn't think that the collective "we" were talking about literally adopting the Ali Act, as is, and plastering it on MMA. That would of course be a trainwreck. My push is for some kind of unionization for the big leagues (honestly the regional promotions can remain as they are for the most part) where fighters are a bit more than just bottom-line numbers to the employer, who often get shit for pay and even less shit for their future welfare, all the while sacrificing (in some cases literally) the quality, length, and who knows what else about their lives for entertainment. As a fan who loves the sport inside and out, getting fighters better looked after, somehow (or even taking small steps in that direction) , is something I'll always be behind. That and reigning in absurd weight-cutting.

 

[BForrester]

Congrats guys

Which one is your picture?

 

[BForrester]

I can barely be bothered to give a shit about UFC anymore. If this ruins them, so be it.

 

[kflo]

All very good points. I didn't think that the collective "we" were talking about literally adopting the Ali Act, as is, and plastering it on MMA. That would of course be a trainwreck. My push is for some kind of unionization for the big leagues (honestly the regional promotions can remain as they are for the most part) where fighters are a bit more than just bottom-line numbers to the employer, who often get shit for pay and even less shit for their future welfare, all the while sacrificing (in some cases literally) the quality, length, and who knows what else about their lives for entertainment. As a fan who loves the sport inside and out, getting fighters better looked after, somehow (or even taking small steps in that direction) , is something I'll always be behind. That and reigning in absurd weight-cutting.

People don’t realize how much power the fertitta’s had to make changes in favor of fighters, and instead, they had a competitive bidding process with buyers bidding with an expectation that they can keep expenses in line with the past. So the bidders NEED to either keep expenses in line with the past, or materially increase revenue, to achieve their target returns. The fertittas were able to maximize their exit price. And now the buyer (WME) has to manage expenses. IF the fertittas first changed the comp model, and then sold (at a discount of course, but they made billions), then they had the power to make the changes. WME gets a lot of the shit, but it was the fertittas who cashed in on this model.

That said, from my perspective, the answer ideally lies not in regulation, but in competition and greater fan interest outside the ufc. That will organically raise wages. And like I said, the other part of achieving target returns is revenue. Which is why when people dismiss or rationalize not paying for ppv, they are missing the other part of the equation.

 

[Ornife]

 

[Roljo]

Cung Le and them about to make bank of UFC decides to settle.

And this is how it is going to end. The fighters as a whole will get fucked once again. Way too selfish and shortsighted

 

[RedFoxNdisBihhh]

Ray Borg be like

 

[DestinedAussie]

People don’t realize how much power the fertitta’s had to make changes in favor of fighters, and instead, they had a competitive bidding process with buyers bidding with an expectation that they can keep expenses in line with the past. So the bidders NEED to either keep expenses in line with the past, or materially increase revenue, to achieve their target returns. The fertittas were able to maximize their exit price. And now the buyer (WME) has to manage expenses. IF the fertittas first changed the comp model, and then sold (at a discount of course, but they made billions), then they had the power to make the changes. WME gets a lot of the shit, but it was the fertittas who cashed in on this model.

That said, from my perspective, the answer ideally lies not in regulation, but in competition and greater fan interest outside the ufc. That will organically raise wages. And like I said, the other part of achieving target returns is revenue. Which is why when people dismiss or rationalize not paying for ppv, they are missing the other part of the equation.

They made a great business decision and go out while the brand was at high without having to spend money to grow it more internationally which may not have seen a good ROI.

WME used debt to buy to it and now have to service that debt so ROI is essential. It isn't as simple as event x makes y so we should get z percentage of it. There have been significant investments which need to be serviced. It sounds like a bit of a mess to me. Happens to english soccer teams a lot where they are bought with debt and then can't afford to run the team even though it is wildly profitable, so they end up getting sold again while selling players to stay afloat.