UFC 281, Adesanya vs. Pereira, November 12

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Saturday, November 12, 2022

UFC 281, Adesanya vs. Pereira
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York

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UFC 281

 

[mkess101]

 

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UFC 281

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https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/martial-arts/mma/ufc-281

 

[mkess101]

Will be playing Pereira. I am thinking some $ will come in on Izzy so I might get an even better line on Alex. I'm gonna hold off, would love to get him around +175.

 

[Kamais_Ookin]

amusing seeing heavy money coming in on molly mccann, the hype of some ko's vs bums getting to people's heads. blanchfield rolls her really bad on the ground.

 

[Mcgregorian]

I will be going big on a Blanchfield and Periera parlay. Izzy will be foolish and his ego will make him stand and get ktfo

Small SUB bet on Turman….

 

[Stat_Collector]

Claudio has been good at dog odds last couple of times. He should ground em out.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

Claudio has been good at dog odds last couple of times. He should ground em out.

I saw him available around +205 and to just wait for his sub prop. I dont think I’m interested in betting him if it goes to decision.

the way the odds are going now the sub prop isn’t going to be a lot better than +205. Should’ve just took my shot there I think

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Claudio has been good at dog odds last couple of times. He should ground em out.

Last time Hooker took a step down in competition at 155 against Nasrat he beat him pretty easily though. I'm not sure the same won't happen here.

 

[Broe.]

Last time Hooker took a step down in competition at 155 against Nasrat he beat him pretty easily though. I'm not sure the same won't happen here.

Yeah I also remember Hooker outgrappling Poirier and beating Burns. The strength of schedule between the two is not even remotely comparable. Hooker is still a very good fighter I think who has really fought the best of the best. Puelles is two steps down in competition.

 

[Stat_Collector]

I saw him available around +205 and to just wait for his sub prop. I dont think I’m interested in betting him if it goes to decision.

the way the odds are going now the sub prop isn’t going to be a lot better than +205. Should’ve just took my shot there I think

maybe wait the line, i think he'll go back up. a lot of ppl will put money on Hooker because of the name.

Last time Hooker took a step down in competition at 155 against Nasrat he beat him pretty easily though. I'm not sure the same won't happen here.

different style matchup, Hooker is average at grappling, Claudio out wrestled Leavett who was able to outwrestle Paddy in rnd 1. I actually think Paddy would have a hard time with Claudio.

Yeah I also remember Hooker outgrappling Poirier and beating Burns. The strength of schedule between the two is not even remotely comparable. Hooker is still a very good fighter I think who has really fought the best of the best. Puelles is two steps down in competition.

Poirier is more bjj/striker than wrestling . Claudio outwrestled a nevada state champion. I think his standup is underrated too, not on Hookers level, but enough to survive and keep Hooker guessing about the takedowns. What I like about Claudio is that he uses all his tools. feels like a 50/50 match.

 

[mkess101]

Yeah I also remember Hooker outgrappling Poirier and beating Burns. The strength of schedule between the two is not even remotely comparable. Hooker is still a very good fighter I think who has really fought the best of the best. Puelles is two steps down in competition.

The concern is that he's a guy who has prematurely hit a wall because of the accumulated damage. Look back at his fights after the Burns win:

Barboza, where he took as much damage as I've ever seen a guy take in a 3 rounder before being finished late.

Then wins over Vick and Iaquinta where he didn't take much damage.

Then a brutal war with Felder, 5 rounds.

Then a brutal war with Poirier, 5 rounds.

Then a brutal KO loss to Chandler.

Then the Nasrat win, not much damage.

Then Islam subbed him quick.

Then another brutal KO loss to Allen.

That's a LOT of damage absorbed over the past few years. It's always an unknown until after the fact if a guy has taken enough damage to speed up his demise so I'm not saying it has absolutely happened to Hooker at all. But it's at least on the radar.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

maybe wait the line, i think he'll go back up. a lot of ppl will put money on Hooker because of the name.


different style matchup, Hooker is average at grappling, Claudio out wrestled Leavett who was able to outwrestle Paddy in rnd 1. I actually think Paddy would have a hard time with Claudio.


Poirier is more bjj/striker than wrestling . Claudio outwrestled a nevada state champion. I think his standup is underrated too, not on Hookers level, but enough to survive and keep Hooker guessing about the takedowns. What I like about Claudio is that he uses all his tools. feels like a 50/50 match.

I think the likes of Paddy and Leavitt are much different levels to the kind of fighters we're discussing tbh.

It was a while ago but lets not forget when we're talking about grapplers that Hooker has wins over Gilbert Burns and Hatsu Hioki.

 

[Stat_Collector]

I think the likes of Paddy and Leavitt are much different levels to the kind of fighters we're discussing tbh.

It was a while ago but lets not forget when we're talking about grapplers that Hooker has wins over Gilbert Burns and Hatsu Hioki.

i dunno about Hioki. But Burns got starched early. If we are isolating the different elements of mma like wrestling, we have to rate Hooker's wrestling somewhere in the middle. Claudio would have lasted a lot longer on the ground with Islam , he probably could have gone a full 3 or 4 rounds.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i dunno about Hioki. But Burns got starched early. If we are isolating the different elements of mma like wrestling, we have to rate Hooker's wrestling somewhere in the middle. Claudio would have lasted a lot longer on the ground with Islam , he probably could have gone a full 3 or 4 rounds.

I think defensive and offensive grappling is a different thing though. For me Puelles has more of a fast and opportunistic grappling style than a smothering one like Islam. I don't think it follows that if Hooker has trouble then he has issues with Puelles necessarily.

 

[Stat_Collector]

The concern is that he's a guy who has prematurely hit a wall because of the accumulated damage. Look back at his fights after the Burns win:

Barboza, where he took as much damage as I've ever seen a guy take in a 3 rounder before being finished late.

Then wins over Vick and Iaquinta where he didn't take much damage.

Then a brutal war with Felder, 5 rounds.

Then a brutal war with Poirier, 5 rounds.

Then a brutal KO loss to Chandler.

Then the Nasrat win, not much damage.

Then Islam subbed him quick.

Then another brutal KO loss to Allen.

That's a LOT of damage absorbed over the past few years. It's always an unknown until after the fact if a guy has taken enough damage to speed up his demise so I'm not saying it has absolutely happened to Hooker at all. But it's at least on the radar.

He's approaching Alexander Gustaffson territory, both the same age, and Alex is passed it, like you said too much damage.


edit hooker is 3 years younger.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Is it my nostaliga speaking or is Chris Gutierrez not the kind of guy who's going to be able to beat Frankie in his hometown in his retirement fight?

 

[Stat_Collector]

I think defensive and offensive grappling is a different thing though. For me Puelles has more of a fast and opportunistic grappling style than a smothering one like Islam. I don't think it follows that if Hooker has trouble then he has issues with Puelles necessarily.

But i dont think Hooker is as good a defensive wrestler as Puelles is offensively, i think Puelles is a notch higher offensively to cause trouble. Hooker has gotten by fighting more mma generalist than good bjj/wrestlers. The best takedown he stuffed were 3 from Laquinta, 1 from burns and 1 from Barboza.

While those are big names, Burns is the only one that could have probably taken him down and won on the ground, but hooker beat him early to expose his grappling, if burns had gone a full three i think he could have gotten hooker down.

I wont bet a big unit on Puelles but he meets my parlay requirements, he can tail end a parlay and add some value. I see him as a rising stock and Hooker as a downward stock about to crash all the way down.

 

[Stat_Collector]

Is it my nostaliga speaking or is Chris Gutierrez not the kind of guy who's going to be able to beat Frankie in his hometown in his retirement fight?

He's going to knock him out, Chris is future top 10 fighter.

 

[mkess101]

He's approaching Alexander Gustaffson territory, both the same age, and Alex is passed it, like you said too much damage.


edit hooker is 3 years younger.

IDK if he's quite there yet, but let's just say I'm wary.