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UFC 263: ISRAEL ADESANYA vs MARVIN VETTORI - Official discussion

I agree with you on some of your points. I think there is some bias towards Marvin.
And this ridicules notion that Marvin had lack of a gas tank?? he fought Hermansson, Holland for five rounds. How is that a worry for someone's gas tank?
Yeah there’s gotta be an element for Marvin too where this is the fight of his life, I don’t see his cardio being an issue, it’s more just getting through the wood chipper to get his takedowns.
Saying that, maybe he stands a little more with Izzy fully expecting the TD.
I expected it to be a bit closer the line to be honest I still think Izzy wins but… it won’t be easy
 
I don't think Vettori's gas tank will hold up here. In fact, just because he was able to fight a five round fight doesn't necessarily mean he's got good cardio. I'm not going to bother referring to the Hermansson fight because it's irrelevant stylistically. However, there were times against Holland where Vettori slowed down drastically. Getting a body lock and catch his breath was something he could do with ease. Also, spending long periods of time on top of someone who isn't making the effort to get up doesn't mean Vettori has an endless work rate. He'll have to work harder to get Adesanya down (as shown in their first fight), and he's going to have to chase Adesanya down over 5 rounds, while being picked apart.

Add to the fact that Vettori looks like he's fighting on roller skates being as stiff as he is, I wouldn't be surprised if Adesanya finishes him late when Vettori runs out of steam. This fight is going to look a lot like the Tavares fight, except I think Vettori gets finished.
 
I don't think Vettori's gas tank will hold up here. In fact, just because he was able to fight a five round fight doesn't necessarily mean he's got good cardio. I'm not going to bother referring to the Hermansson fight because it's irrelevant stylistically. However, there were times against Holland where Vettori slowed down drastically. Getting a body lock and catch his breath was something he could do with ease. Also, spending long periods of time on top of someone who isn't making the effort to get up doesn't mean Vettori has an endless work rate. He'll have to work harder to get Adesanya down (as shown in their first fight), and he's going to have to chase Adesanya down over 5 rounds, while being picked apart.

Add to the fact that Vettori looks like he's fighting on roller skates being as stiff as he is, I wouldn't be surprised if Adesanya finishes him late when Vettori runs out of steam. This fight is going to look a lot like the Tavares fight, except I think Vettori gets finished.
We shall see. I will be betting the under for the main event.
 
And this ridicules notion that Marvin had lack of a gas tank?? he fought Hermansson, Holland for five rounds. How is that a worry for someone's gas tank?

Exactly. If anyone's going to gas here it's izzy because of relentless wrestling and pressure of Vettori. Where the fuck that stupid narrative came from that Vettori has shit gas tank?
 
Maia dec??

HIs gas tank at his age is terrible, it wasn't amazing even 10 years ago. And his style takes a ton of energy, pure grappling approach of course.

If anything, Maia rd 1 maybe has value. If he gets Belal down, for sure he still has the elite bjj skills to work to a dominant position and get a sub. But honestly after rd 1, I don't know if Demian will have the gas to do much of anything other than become target practice.
I agree, if it gets past the 1st belal should be able to get a stoppage tbh. he's got cardio and throws volume. the under 2.5 and belal live after the first rd seem like good plays.
 
Does anyone know if Hooper has been doing anything to improve his crappy takedown offense or get better at striking and not blocking punches with his face?
 
Let them bet Ziam. I'm patiently waiting for the Vendramini by submission prop. Vendramini is wreckless on the feet, but man does that guy never stop hunting the takedown and looking for the opportunistic submission. Ziam hardly makes the effort to get up either. Easy call IMO.
+900 here
 
The Co Main Event Trash Talking between Fig and Moreno is getting very Tense... And Ugly.
Deiveson Figueiredo Says He Will KO Brandon Moreno At UFC 263
“I am training to do a quick fight. I’m going to knock this guy out in the first or second round. I was not 100% in the first fight. He’s been saying that I have no potential, that I don’t have a heavy hand

I am going to throw a little sparkle on that Ko prop for Fig.
 
I know figgy/moreno went the distance last time - but man, that fight was on the brink of a stoppage several times. We know Figgy is gonna be aggressive, and Moreno must think his aggressive gameplan in the first fight was a success. FDNGTD -125 looks real good to me here. I don't think this one is going 25min
 
Yeah I have played ends ITD for Figgy/Morono, don't think it's just a rerun of the first fight
 
Does anyone know if Hooper has been doing anything to improve his crappy takedown offense or get better at striking and not blocking punches with his face?

I believe I read that Hooper is training with Wonderboy and his team for this fight to improve his stand up
 
I believe I read that Hooper is training with Wonderboy and his team for this fight to improve his stand up

I guess we'll have to see if it even matters. I may have to pass here. I wanted to make a play on Peterson.

+900 here

Where?


On another note, does anyone know if there are sportsbooks in Vegas that offer prop bets for fights other than the main event? I was pissed I missed out on the Ben Rothwell to win by submission the other weekend because the Westgate here in town didn't offer props for fights outside of the main event.
 
I think Izzy is overrated honestly. We saw that with his odds against Jan. We know where his weaknesses are, and honestly, Vettori has shown improvements in those exact areas. I see Vettori putting a pace on Izzy too and just constantly making him defend takedowns and being stuck in clinch work. Honestly, I wouldn't rule out a Vettori finish either.
This is an insane overreaction. Vettori is not a finisher, he couldn't finish a potato, and he's nothing like Jan. His takedowns are most effective against the fence and that's where Izzy's TDD is best. Jan got izzy down by level changing reactively in open space, Marvin has never shown reactive takedowns. Even Jan couldnt get izzy down or control him in the clinch up against the cage.
 
Fig seems to have excuses ready for non-wins. Sick vs Jussier, in hospital vs Moreno.
I do favor him to win this fight. As said Moreno failed to capitalize the momentum in the fifth round and thats a red flag.
Due to his arm being fucked up bad tho. If it's 2-2 headed into the 5th I like Moreno this time cuz he has better cardio. Someone here said fig's cardio looked good,i disagree. It wasn't bad but he slowed down noticeably after the 2nd and after the 3rd again.
 
This is an insane overreaction. Vettori is not a finisher, he couldn't finish a potato, and he's nothing like Jan. His takedowns are most effective against the fence and that's where Izzy's TDD is best. Jan got izzy down by level changing reactively in open space, Marvin has never shown reactive takedowns. Even Jan couldnt get izzy down or control him in the clinch up against the cage.

Overreaction to what? I had that opinion of Izzy prior to the Jan fight and cashed on it. Izzy gets overvalued fairly often. Don't forget how close his fight was with Gastelum. Vettori already had a close one with him as well.
 
Due to his arm being fucked up bad tho. If it's 2-2 headed into the 5th I like Moreno this time cuz he has better cardio. Someone here said fig's cardio looked good,i disagree. It wasn't bad but he slowed down noticeably after the 2nd and after the 3rd again.
He won the 5th round comfortably.....
 
I am super frustrated with betanysports. It's been weeks since their "upgrades" . Still limited # of props on most fights and zero props for the undercards. Any other US friendly sites you guys suggest for props? I was heavy on Rothwell by sub at +1100 but BAS never put the line up...arggg
BOL has the best props imo, because they have everything PLUS they have spreads for mma, which is something I love betting on especially for 5 rounders. Usman -5.5 bets
 
I know figgy/moreno went the distance last time - but man, that fight was on the brink of a stoppage several times. We know Figgy is gonna be aggressive, and Moreno must think his aggressive gameplan in the first fight was a success. FDNGTD -125 looks real good to me here. I don't think this one is going 25min
... When was that on the brink of a stoppage? Moreno was never wobbled and Figgy was hurt briefly but his chin is insane so he recovered quickly. I like the o4.5 at +105
 
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