UFC 214 - Jones vs Cormier II - Anaheim

[MMA Goodfella]

Ring rust:
- Jon Jones 462 days
- Cristiane Justino 308 days
- Robbie Lawler 364 days
- Renan Barao 308 days
- Brian Ortega 420 days
- Andre Fili 301 days
- Calvin Kattar 309 days
- Jarred Brooks 300 days
- Aleksandra Albu 840 days

This is just too good to be a coincidence lol

 

[EzFlyer]

Short notice:
- Calvin Kattar (in for Doo Ho Choi) vs. Andre Fili [1 week]
- Jason Knight (in for Chan Sung Jung) vs. Ricardo Lamas [1.5 months]
- Tonya Evinger (in for Megan Anderson) vs. Cristiane Justino [1 month]

Ring rust:
- Jon Jones 462 days
- Cristiane Justino 308 days
- Robbie Lawler 364 days
- Renan Barao 308 days
- Brian Ortega 420 days
- Andre Fili 301 days
- Calvin Kattar 309 days
- Jarred Brooks 300 days
- Aleksandra Albu 840 days

wow. that's a lot of rust

 

[EzFlyer]

You jelly?

he's obvs high level I'm sure he just seldom trains in the gi so therefore never got promoted beyond white til now. Similarly, DJ was only recently promoted to blue I believe despite subbing black belts on the regular.

it was a weird thing to see on embedded. looked corny/unimpressive

 

[kushn4pushin]

Best of luck all the play, but just some friendly advice. If you're going to make a parlay that big don't put someone who is -1200 or less in it. I mean what do you get 30 extra dollars? If that? And anything can happen. Look at what happened with Michael chandler. Or Anderson Silva breaking his leg or Chris Weidman knee cap. You wouldn't want every leg to hit and then the -1200 to be the play that crippled you.

Seriously though, I hope you win!

Thanks bud. But seriously I was just buzzed when I made that play. Looking back I wouldn't have done it lol

 

[NinjaCat456]

if U think PVZ is p4p hot you are also a phile.

PVZ has no ass, no tits, baby face, SUPER annoying voice, would not.

Am i crazy, Jones UD +170 sounds pretty good. I easily see this result hapenning more than 50% of the time.

You wouldn't shag Paige VanZant?

I mean welcome back to the forum and all that but..

 

[mkess101]

@mkess101

..one last thing..

I would just ask what you think of the DC fight against Anderson Silva and if that is not disconcerting to you. Say as disconcerting as they say versus OSP.

It is to a degree, yeah. But I think psychologically that fight messed with DC's head an absolute ton. A lot of what I'm about to say is 100% pure conjecture on my part, so keep that in mind as you read it.

Jones vs OSP was probably a SLIGHT letdown for Jones in terms of who his oppnent was. I'd imagine he was more "up" for DC given their history, etc. But he'd already beaten DC, didn't have to prove he could. I think you're right in that to a degree, Jones played it sort of safe vs OSP. But he also looked to tire in that fight like I hadn't seen before. Not horribly, but more that what we'd seen in his previous 5 round fights.

DC vs Silva wasn't a slight letdown for DC. It was ARMAGEDDON. DC is OBSESSED with beating Jones to cement his legacy. Jones finally clears his legal hurdles, the fight is on, DC gets his chance at redemption. Then just DAYS before the fight Jones is out and DC gets an aging MW legend who's well past his prime. DC isn't ultra wealthy so no way he turns down the fight and the payday of being on the UFC 200 card, that wasn't going to happen. But I have to believe that in his mind he went in thinking "I'm gonna go lay on this guy for 15 minutes and collect my $ and move on to real fights." Then the crowd starts booing (a huge crowd of course) and he gets caught up in the moment and stands in front of Silva and gets tagged a couple times while being lazy in rd 3. The long and short of it is I don't think that's the performance we'd have seen vs Jones (or even close to it).

I put more stock in how he looked vs Rumble, who's been flatlining everyone. Granted, Rumble fought a bizarre fight and helped DC look dominant by playing into DC's strengths. That can't be ignored. But DC still dismantled Rumble (again) and I can't discount that, even if Rumble fought a very foolish fight from a strategic standpoint.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

Rumble wouldn't let his hands go for whatever reason. He didn't win rd 1 from what I remember though. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. As was said, I can see not being overly impressed with DC that fight just based on how bizarre Rumble's performance was. But you can't say it was a bad performance for DC either given that he dominated and finished Rumble in rd 2.

Sure, change "bad performance" to "unimpressive" then. That is basically the point I am trying to get across.

 

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[MMA Goodfella]

Moicano has incredible TDD and very technical scrambling abilities, combine that with Ortega's poor TDs and you have Moicano dictating where this fight takes place.

Ortega rarely initiates the grappling anyway, he was outstriking Tavares who brought it to the ground and got literally sliced up with elbows both on top and on bottom. Didn't attempt to grapple with Guida who was lighting him up for 14 minutes. After getting soundly outstruck by Brandao he attempted 2 TDs, both of which were reversed. He did end up in the clinch vs De La Torre and was able to drag him down. When he does end up on the mat he's very fluid, extremely active and always threatening with subs or brutal elbows.

Moicano has developed his stand up quite well and has preferred to strike with all of his opponents so far despite having a BJJ base. He did show that he has decent TDs, landed a nice reactive double on Stephens. I fully expect Moicano to keep this standing for all 15 mins, though if it does end up on the ground he can more than hold his own.

On the feet Moicano is a long range volume striker with an excellent jab and versatile kicks. He sacrifices power for movement, constantly circling out. He outstruck Stephens, Niinimaki, and arguably Tukhugov. With Ortega there's not much to his overall standup, he's light on his feet, has serviceable striking, but it's rather sloppy.

As long as Moicano elects to keep this standing it should be a fairly easy decision win.

I was going to do a breakdown of this fight and post it ITT but my man @Sadistics did such a great job that I don't feel it necessary. Everything he said is precisely what I gathered from my research. Excellent excellent breakdown!

 

[MMA Goodfella]

It is to a degree, yeah. But I think psychologically that fight messed with DC's head an absolute ton. A lot of what I'm about to say is 100% pure conjecture on my part, so keep that in mind as you read it.

Jones vs OSP was probably a SLIGHT letdown for Jones in terms of who his oppnent was. I'd imagine he was more "up" for DC given their history, etc. But he'd already beaten DC, didn't have to prove he could. I think you're right in that to a degree, Jones played it sort of safe vs OSP. But he also looked to tire in that fight like I hadn't seen before. Not horribly, but more that what we'd seen in his previous 5 round fights.

DC vs Silva wasn't a slight letdown for DC. It was ARMAGEDDON. DC is OBSESSED with beating Jones to cement his legacy. Jones finally clears his legal hurdles, the fight is on, DC gets his chance at redemption. Then just DAYS before the fight Jones is out and DC gets an aging MW legend who's well past his prime. DC isn't ultra wealthy so no way he turns down the fight and the payday of being on the UFC 200 card, that wasn't going to happen. But I have to believe that in his mind he went in thinking "I'm gonna go lay on this guy for 15 minutes and collect my $ and move on to real fights." Then the crowd starts booing (a huge crowd of course) and he gets caught up in the moment and stands in front of Silva and gets tagged a couple times while being lazy in rd 3. The long and short of it is I don't think that's the performance we'd have seen vs Jones (or even close to it).

I put more stock in how he looked vs Rumble, who's been flatlining everyone. Granted, Rumble fought a bizarre fight and helped DC look dominant by playing into DC's strengths. That can't be ignored. But DC still dismantled Rumble (again) and I can't discount that, even if Rumble fought a very foolish fight from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah it's definitely conjecture, but when you literally have money on it, speculation is completely warranted. You should evaluate every nook and cranny when putting your own money on the line.

Furthermore, I believe that your "head shrinking" of DC is probably on point. He had virtually nothing to gain in the Anderson Silva fight and everything to lose. He fought safe. Even talking with Ariel he said that he basically was barely training against Ryan Bader and that the other top guys in the division don't do anything for him. So yeah, he is terribly obsessed with Jon.

After I watch the OSP fight I thought to myself, JBJ better be glad that that was OSP in there and not DC because he just dodged the biggest bullet. That said, I also thought about him facing OSP like you did with DC facing Anderson. That is to say that Jones recognized that OSP was absolutely no threat and completely out of his league. Therefore he just went in there and did enough to get the win, However, hadhe been facing DC, I believe we see a vastly different Jones at that time.

Let me indulge you in some conjecture of my own. I believe that Jones is basically DC's kryptonite. That one hurdle that he will never get over. Jones is to DC as Chuck was to Tito and Frankie was to BJ, just stylistically bad matchup's and that one guy always has your number.

I will leave we're going to see Jones at his peak. The best we've ever seen. He's only 30 years old and is it coming off an injury. He seems to have his shit together for now at least. The greats are able to take I was out of time off and still come back as great or exceed expectations. Dominic Cruz did it in his first fight back with Miz The first time and TJ Dillashaw the second. Conor came back after shredding his ACL and did it against Chad Mendes and Jose Aldo respectively. JBJ is in that caliber. No he is better than that caliber.

JBJ has a quiet calm about him going into his fight, like 2010 Kobe Bryant. Calm, collected and on a mission. You could be right, but there's no way I'm betting against JBJ until I see a reason to do otherwise. I think that the OSP fight is an outlier and not something that we should get accustom to.

But we will definitely see if he shows up this time LOL

 

[MacPherson911]

would not.

I was w you 100% up to "would not"

 

[ApplesVild]

lol 99%

99.9% buddy

 

[LEMONZEST]

it was a weird thing to see on embedded. looked corny/unimpressive

JJ calling himself GOAT and being touted as such and now getting blue does seem funny.

 

[conmemay]

I was going to do a breakdown of this fight and post it ITT but my man @Sadistics did such a great job that I don't feel it necessary. Everything he said is precisely what I gathered from my research. Excellent excellent breakdown!

I had the same thought about this fight until I re-watched Ortega's fight with Brandao. I have a feeling that Ortega's grappling is very good that ppl underrate his striking. He is deceptively fast with his punches, certainly not going to be much slower than Moicano, if any. He throws straight punches while Moicano throws mostly looping punches and hooks so I wouldnt be surprised if Ortega's punches will get there first. His pace will be even better than Moicano, with probably more finishing power in his strikes and he has no quit in him. The only true advantage I would give to Moicano is in the defence. He seems to do much better job at avoiding punches and his fight IQ is very high. At the end of the day, I think Ortega will come forward, put on the pressure and make this a very close fight. Maybe even steal a decision.

 

[LEMONZEST]

Why was Ortega out so long? Injury?

 

[Sadistics]

Why was Ortega out so long? Injury?

Torn labrum from sparring back in September, couldn't train for a few months

 

[Sham5916910]

I had the same thought about this fight until I re-watched Ortega's fight with Brandao. I have a feeling that Ortega's grappling is very good that ppl underrate his striking. He is deceptively fast with his punches, certainly not going to be much slower than Moicano, if any. He throws straight punches while Moicano throws mostly looping punches and hooks so I wouldnt be surprised if Ortega's punches will get there first. His pace will be even better than Moicano, with probably more finishing power in his strikes and he has no quit in him. The only true advantage I would give to Moicano is in the defence. He seems to do much better job at avoiding punches and his fight IQ is very high. At the end of the day, I think Ortega will come forward, put on the pressure and make this a very close fight. Maybe even steal a decision.

Moicanos main shots are a jab and low kicks.

 

[Sham5916910]

I think volk is gonna get exposed. He looked horrid in the fight before his ufc debut. The guy he fought had horrible striking but beat the fuck out of volk standing. Volk had to wrestle him and he gassed badly as per the osp fight by r2. I also thought he lost to osp. The cirk ko is the damn near flukiest punch i have ever seen. Volk has no defence just wades in and was out on his feet in r3 against osp and the guy he fought before making his ufc debut

 

[Joedaman55]

I see D.C favored because he has been active fighting, Jones is taking a huge layoff and fighting a very tough fight which he will likely have rust, Jones hasn't looked a little different since USADA, Jones head game doesn't seem as strong as it used to be, and D.C has to win this fight for his legacy.

All my thoughts are subjective so I understand how people would see it different.