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UFC 207 - Nunes vs Rousey - Vegas

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Sham5916910 said:
Watched tape on garcia and pyle. Garcia is a flawed fighter poor mans lombard. Athletic explosive guy but limited standing albeit big power, poor cardio, ok from top but not really a threat from there and excellent takedowns. However im really struggling to see how pyle wins this. Hes 41 and has been dropped or ko'd in 5 of his last 7 fights. Pyle is dangerous from the clinch but i can only see him having success there in r3 if he can last that long otherwise garcia will just power out or take pyle down from the clinch. Garcia has the power to ko pyle at any point and is a lot quicker. He isnt great technically but normally lands and this is due to his speed. He will be able to take pyle down at will but needs to watch his p's and q's as pyle is dangerous from the bottom. I think pyle r3 is worth a stab as garcia will slow if he cant finish pyle but i might throw garcia in a small parlay with cruz. If not garcia ko and dec prop lines will be interesting. I suspect dec will pay better so i may take a stab at that. Garcia should elect to stand with pyle but he normally goes for takedowns so three rounds of laying on pyle wouldnt surprise me. Garcia ko r1 must be worth some £££ too tho.
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A poor man's Lombard vs Pyle's chin?

Sign me up please LOL.
 
Man I agree with @Buddy Brown regarding Doom. For crying out loud just look at his physique for the Cain fight vs the Stipe fight. Looking leaner and less flabby doesn't mean everything, but it can certainly be a red flag that he's not putting in the work in the gym that he needs to be. And then when I thought "Okay, he'll come back out looking leaner and more like he did vs Cain" in the Browne rematch, he comes in looking like crap again. And yeah, he easily beat Browne but he really did nothing great at all in that fight. Browne just looked insanely tentative and horrible. Werdum just looked...better than Browne.

But now we have the Cain injury situation. I have Cain dec at +190 and really liked that bet until now. I also have Cain in a couple hail mary type parlays. At this point I'm just pumping the brakes and waiting to see what happens. Too many variables now to the point where it just seems like guessing which version of each guy is gonna show up.
 
Of course there is some uncertainty in this matchup, but I have to lean toward\s the guy who isn't injured and already has surgery scheduled and who also won the first fight by stoppage, especially if we're getting almost 2 to 1 underdog odds on him.
 
hey sorry if I'm late to the party on this one, but does all this talk about Cain's injury/back pain/scheduled surgery change your views on betting him. I was all set to go multiple u's on the ML but now I'm getting cold feet. Still thinking Cain on the ML and maybe the over and/or GTD...thoughts?
 
Buddy Brown said:
Has anyone watched tape on Price yet? Thatch has never impressed me but it looks like the UFC still have faith in him.
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What I've seen was pretty bad skill-wise but he seems tough.
I won't bet anything in Price but I may play Thatch for action. Tiny like $10.

Here's my wiki capping.

Don't know if it was posted but his fight with Jose Caceres is the most recent one I found.
His opponent had the same body type as thatch but sucked.
It was hard to find. I went to Niko Prices YouTube and it was favorited by his channel.
Can't find it on mobile.
It also appears he's a PC gamer so he probably wasn't training that hard as there was a new Warcraft expansion.

He also went to a decision against a 4-4 fighter in his last fight.
 
JimGunn said:
Of course there is some uncertainty in this matchup, but I have to lean toward\s the guy who isn't injured and already has surgery scheduled and who also won the first fight by stoppage, especially if we're getting almost 2 to 1 underdog odds on him.
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If Werdum comes in looking like he did the first time vs Cain I'd totally agree. If we see flabby Doom again, man IDK. Too many times we've heard overblown injury rumors and then the guy steps in and is just fine and afterward we find out that yeah he was having surgery but it was extremely minor and the guy was never in danger of having his ability to perform be affected.

I'm not saying that's for sure the case here, we just don't know.
 
Re: Mag/Hendricks

I'm taking the cowards way out and paying the juice on the o2.5

No idea who wins this and how Hendricks will show up as far as his weight and mental goes.

Some factors I want to lay out are

Magny has never changed his style for any opponent. Being that he's got physical gifts in the ridiculous reach, he usually tries to look at the big picture of things that he's going to be a developing fighter everytime he enters the cage. He usually fights the same way and that is to impose his will and take the fight where ever it goes. I have no doubts that he won't shy away from grappling or getting physical with Hendricks. It could prove to be his downfall trying to get tangled up with the better wrestler or it could put it into Johnny's head that I can handle your wrestling he's going to let his game flow.

At range I believe Mag will pepper away and Johnny will have to use a lot of explosive movements to close the distance which is also entirely possible. Johnny is a brawler of sorts, he'll jack hammer that left hand of his 4-5 consecutive times while horse collaring your neck. He's got this weird way of covering distance with that left that's put several guys out cold. It starts off looking like a hook but ends up being a straight punch and guys try to slide back thinking it won't reach.

Magny isn't great with combinations but he's good at peppering away using his reach. He's got a basic understanding switching up his stances to control the range but he's not elite especially not defensively where he has the typical Tall Guy Problems. As well as he jabs, he's got to keep moving his feet because his arms are so long that it takes too much time to retract his arms to protect his chin against counters. He's going to be circling to his left all fight away from Johnny's big left hand.

I believe Hendricks can definitely put Mags on his back but I think Magny can scramble back to his feet and the obvious story to this fight is whether Magny just pops him at range and whether Magny can handle Johnny's wrestling or if Johnny can get inside and rough tall boy up. Reason why I took the over is that Magny doesn't possess KO power and he's not gonna exploit any wrestling weaknesses against a D1 guy and for Johnny he's probably the more likelier finisher but I think he reverts more to his wrestling once he's inside.

Anyways those are the factors I see in this fight. Did I skip a beat?

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Lombard/Kelvin are also a similar builds to Johnny, leftys with big power and grappling chops. Both of them were able to rock Magny but ultimately ended up losing to Mags. Both of those guys also was getting picked by the rangey strikes. I don't know who to give the edge to I'm still not sure who to pick.
 
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Rebel_LioN said:
Re: Mag/Hendricks

I'm taking the cowards way out and paying the juice on the o2.5

No idea who wins this and how Hendricks will show up as far as his weight and mental goes.

Some factors I want to lay out are

Magny has never changed his style for any opponent. Being that he's got physical gifts in the ridiculous reach, he usually tries to look at the big picture of things that he's going to be a developing fighter everytime he enters the cage. He usually fights the same way and that is to impose his will and take the fight where ever it goes. I have no doubts that he won't shy away from grappling or getting physical with Hendricks. It could prove to be his downfall trying to get tangled up with the better wrestler or it could put it into Johnny's head that I can handle your wrestling he's going to let his game flow.

At range I believe Mag will pepper away and Johnny will have to use a lot of explosive movements to close the distance which is also entirely possible. Johnny is a brawler of sorts, he'll jack hammer that left hand of his 4-5 consecutive times while horse collaring your neck. He's got this weird way of covering distance with that left that's put several guys out cold. It starts off looking like a hook but ends up being a straight punch and guys try to slide back thinking it won't reach.

Magny isn't great with combinations but he's good at peppering away using his reach. He's got a basic understanding switching up his stances to control the range but he's not elite especially not defensively where he has the typical Tall Guy Problems. As well as he jabs, he's got to keep moving his feet because his arms are so long that it takes too much time to retract his arms to protect his chin against counters.

I believe Hendricks can definitely put Mags on his back but I think Magny can scramble back to his feet and the obvious story to this fight is whether Magny just pops him at range and whether Magny can handle Johnny's wrestling or if Johnny can get inside and rough tall boy up. Reason why I took the over is that Magny doesn't possess KO power and he's not gonna exploit any wrestling weaknesses against a D1 guy and for Johnny he's probably the more likelier finisher but I think he reverts more to his wrestling once he's inside.

Anyways those are the factors I see in this fight. Did I skip a beat?
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I think this is pretty accurate. It will be a livebet fight for me. Didn't catch the Magny opening line, so this will be my play instead. Hopefully Hendricks shows a good 1st round, so we can get a good line on magny after 1st. Magny usually start out slow, and sometimes need a wakeup call. When that comes he hit the switch and go all in mode. Hendricks doesn't fare well with getting jabbed over and over again. Kelvin showed how you can shut down Hendricks with alot of active jabs. Magny will have that opportunity as well. He's usually active with his jabs, but add his reach advantage to that and Hendricks poor jab defence. Hendricks has showed descending performances, while Magny has continously improved. I think it's correct and worth mentioning that Magny can find himself loosing rounds on the back if he's showing poor fight IQ and chooses to wrestle with Hendricks.

It's in the detail department, but all the bad excuses, weight cut issues and so forth from Hendricks, could very well be something to think about when analysing this fight. A small stab on Magny RD3 could be sexy :)
 
Am I the only one that think the Dillashaw vs. Lineker fight is much closer than the odds suggest?

It's gonna be a risky bet for me, but I have to exploit that line of Lineker with a healthy bet.
 
MMAJay said:
Am I the only one that think the Dillashaw vs. Lineker fight is much closer than the odds suggest?

It's gonna be a risky bet for me, but I have to exploit that line of Lineker with a healthy bet.
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i feel the same. I expected dillashaw to be around -130 or at least that's where I could cap it
 
MMAJay said:
I think this is pretty accurate. It will be a livebet fight for me. Didn't catch the Magny opening line, so this will be my play instead. Hopefully Hendricks shows a good 1st round, so we can get a good line on magny after 1st. Magny usually start out slow, and sometimes need a wakeup call. When that comes he hit the switch and go all in mode. Hendricks doesn't fare well with getting jabbed over and over again. Kelvin showed how you can shut down Hendricks with alot of active jabs. Magny will have that opportunity as well. He's usually active with his jabs, but add his reach advantage to that and Hendricks poor jab defence. Hendricks has showed descending performances, while Magny has continously improved. I think it's correct and worth mentioning that Magny can find himself loosing rounds on the back if he's showing poor fight IQ and chooses to wrestle with Hendricks.

It's in the detail department, but all the bad excuses, weight cut issues and so forth from Hendricks, could very well be something to think about when analysing this fight. A small stab on Magny RD3 could be sexy :)
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Kelvin has some of the best southpaws to work with at Kings MMA. His jab was landing against a same stance fighter in Johnny.

With Magny there's going to be a lot of pawing and Magny trying to reach out for Johnny's lead right hand and parrying it to try to pepper away.

Just mentioning the different looks. Anyway you put it, looking at the above mentioned fights, I think it's safe to say this will be a tough fight for Magny but he's proven he can win against this style of fighter. However it's no indication that he's going to win based off the Ws he's got over Kelvin and Lombard.

Side note: Maia strangling withstanding, throw in Means and that's 3 southpaws he's defeated.. hmm?
 
I can see the logic in chasing Lineker here, but honestly, Dillashaw is the better and more diverse striker, better wrestler, better grappler, better movement, better experience, etc.
 
Rebel_LioN said:
Kelvin has some of the best southpaws to work with at Kings MMA. His jab was landing against a same stance fighter in Johnny.

With Magny there's going to be a lot of pawing and Magny trying to reach out for Johnny's lead right hand and parrying it to try to pepper away.

Just mentioning the different looks. Anyway you put it, looking at the above mentioned fights, I think it's safe to say this will be a tough fight for Magny but he's proven he can win against this style of fighter. However it's no indication that he's going to win based off the Ws he's got over Kelvin and Lombard.

Side note: Maia strangling withstanding, throw in Means and that's 3 southpaws he's defeated.. hmm?
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As mentioned, this is the only fight that I haven't played, and this sentence may swing me towards Magny.
 
I have more motivation because he's a former champion, I will ground out a win, I've come back from a loss before, want gold by the end of 2017

 
Oblivian said:
I can see the logic in chasing Lineker here, but honestly, Dillashaw is the better and more diverse striker, better wrestler, better grappler, better movement, better experience, etc.
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Agree. I kinda feel like as long at TJ doesn't get stupid and stand in the pocket like other guys Lineker has fought it's TJ's fight to lose. But man Lineker seems to have some sort of hypnosis that makes guys turn into rock em sock em robots. And you aren't beating Lineker that way.
 
LAst fight, I didn't research, I didn't take it serious, I was a child, I didn't know he was a grappler, shooting the outside single was not a smart move, Max motivates me to work harder, he's coming off big wins, he's done good against guy that are top prospects, we're both top prospects, you go through your highs and lows, we're on the main card, I hope we put on a show, as long as your going for the finish, it will be exciting, I got ahead of myself last fight

 
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