UFC 204 - Bisping vs Hendo II - England

[Brick Top]

at -165 I don't see how Sham and I are apparently the only ones who find value in Struve. I thought their was value when he was close to -200. Danny O literally does nothing better than him, hes in on short notice, Struve has had I believe a year now with Blackzilians. If you don't like what you see out of Struve, you can livebet out after round 1. What are the actual chances Danny O KOs him in round one or completely dominates him to a point hes favored after the first?

I will live bet him if he looks good. I won't trust him until then.

 

[vkram]

Struve by decision might be a good idea. Danny O has never been finished.

 

[Joseph Budden]

I will live bet him if he looks good. I won't trust him until then.

Fair enough but one last point from me

Danny O is a guy who lost a round to Jarjis Danho

Just remember that

 

[Brick Top]

Weren't you the same one saying Bisping looked like shit against Leites? Honestly asking.

I wasn't even on the forum then. I didn't give Bisping a chance against Rockhold though and he proved me wrong, even if Rockhold fought like an idiot.

But Hendo isn't Rockhold. He's a 46 years old, shot fighter who shouldn't be +400 or under against anyone in the top 15.

 

[Oblivian]

...or Bisping could just point fight for 7 minutes until Hendo tires like he always does, and then knock him out?

And yeah, I do. Hendo is just too slow and predictable to compete against anyone in the top 15. All he has is a punchers chance, and not a 33% one.

I've been in these threads a long time and I can tell you people were saying the same shit about Hendo having no chance vs. Shogun after the first round and a half. Then they were crying about how much they lost on the "lucky KO". Similarly, saying Hendo has nothing left prior to Boetsch and he floors him easy. Lombard would be too much and he wouldn't be able to survive the storm, and then he puts his lights out.

Not to mention the stylistic matchup for Bisping. Tell me the last time he beat a big power puncher. He's always shown issues with guys with big power, and he resorts to wrestling in those situations ala Stann. He tried vs. both Wandy and Hendo and couldn't pull it off. There are a lot of potential red flags here from older fights, just like there has been in many other fights, those issues referred to in the red flags appear years later even though people don't see it relevant.

And by the way, I'm not even trying to tell people to bet Hendo here, but I think people confident in Bisping above -200 are nuts.

 

[PuertoRican]

at -165 I don't see how Sham and I are apparently the only ones who find value in Struve. I thought their was value when he was close to -200. Danny O literally does nothing better than him, hes in on short notice, Struve has had I believe a year now with Blackzilians. If you don't like what you see out of Struve, you can livebet out after round 1. What are the actual chances Danny O KOs him in round one or completely dominates him to a point hes favored after the first?

Sherdog avatar bet. Winner gets to pick what the loser has to change his avatar to for 3 weeks.

I'll take Omielanczuk, you take Struve.

 

[Brick Top]

Fair enough but one last point from me

Danny O is a guy who lost a round to Jarjis Danho

Just remember that

Even then Struve has looked too awful and been too gunshy against guys likee the ghost of Big Nog to be trusted with my money.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Sherdog avatar bet. Winner gets to pick what the loser has to change his avatar to for 3 weeks.

I'll take Omielanczuk, you take Struve.

You want me to risk my Danny Brown avy? Thats almost as bad as losing money

Two weeks and you have a deal.

Which also reminds me to get rid of this sig you gave me. Think I kept it for about a month longer than neccessary

 

[Oblivian]

I wasn't even on the forum then. I didn't give Bisping a chance against Rockhold though and he proved me wrong, even if Rockhold fought like an idiot.

But Hendo isn't Rockhold. He's a 46 years old, shot fighter who shouldn't be +400 or under against anyone in the top 15.

You didn't make any comment about thinking Bisping looked like shit when capping another fight, such as Bisping/Silva or Bisping/Rockhold? Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else. Hell, I may even be mixing it up and you said Leites looked like shit. I personally didn't think Bisping looked great against Leites and showed a lot of the issues that I'm talking about.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Even then Struve has looked too awful and been too gunshy against guys likee the ghost of Big Nog to be trusted with my money.

When Noguiera turns 85 years old he'll still never come close to losing a round to Jarjis freakin Danho

 

[PuertoRican]

You want me to risk my Danny Brown avy? Thats almost as bad as losing money

Two weeks and you have a deal.

Which also reminds me to get rid of this sig you gave me. Think I kept it for about a month longer than neccessary

Going from 3 weeks to 2 weeks shows how confident you are in Struve.

That being said, you've got a deal. You got Struve, I got Omielanczuk.

 

[Sham5916910]

You want me to risk my Danny Brown avy? Thats almost as bad as losing money

Two weeks and you have a deal.

Which also reminds me to get rid of this sig you gave me. Think I kept it for about a month longer than neccessary

You got this jb. How does daniel win? Hes terrible. Struve actually showed decent tdd against rosholt. I think this will be a pretty comfortable nights work for him.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Going from 3 weeks to 2 weeks shows how confident you are in Struve.

That being said, you've got a deal. You got Struve, I got Omielanczuk.

This avy is too close to my heart to risk on anyone for that long

Now we wait and hope you put Danny O in that DK team as well

 

[Brick Top]

I've been in these threads a long time and I can tell you people were saying the same shit about Hendo having no chance vs. Shogun after the first round and a half. Then they were crying about how much they lost on the "lucky KO". Similarly, saying Hendo has nothing left prior to Boetsch and he floors him easy. Lombard would be too much and he wouldn't be able to survive the storm, and then he puts his lights out.

Not to mention the stylistic matchup for Bisping. Tell me the last time he beat a big power puncher. He's always shown issues with guys with big power, and he resorts to wrestling in those situations ala Stann. He tried vs. both Wandy and Hendo and couldn't pull it off. There are a lot of potential red flags here from older fights, just like there has been in many other fights, those issues referred to in the red flags appear years later even though people don't see it relevant.

And by the way, I'm not even trying to tell people to bet Hendo here, but I think people confident in Bisping above -200 are nuts.

His recent wins are just a testament to how bad Boetsch and Lombard are. Hendo was a bad stylistic match-up for Boetsch, and Lombard has looked awful off the juice and should have stayed at welterweight.

By the way, the fight could have been stopped when Lombard had Hendo hurt and it wouldn't have been a worse stoppage than Hendo's over Fedor.

The only reason Bisping isn't -400 here is because people think Hendo's win over Lombard is relevant in this fight for some reason.

Forget fights from a decade ago for a sec though.

Based on recent fights and how Hendo has looked off the juice at 46 years old, do you honestly think he has a 33% chance to win this fight?

 

[Officer_Brown]

I would be careful with BEktic. Doane is on 3 fight losing streak and back against the wall. Nothing to lose. Could come out guns blazing. I haven't seen Bektic old fights but I heard even Chas Skelly hurt him. Doane KO/TKO not a bad bet considering every card has its smoka/santos.

 

[PuertoRican]

This avy is too close to my heart to risk on anyone for that long

Now we wait and hope you put Danny O in that DK team as well

Or maybe me picking Omi in an avatar bet is me playing mind games with you.

How confident are you really in Struve right about now? Probably a tiny bit less confident than an hour ago. Now you'll think about @PuertoRican when you're finalizing your DraftKings team.

My work here is done...

 

[Oblivian]

His recent wins are just a testament to how bad Boetsch and Lombard are. Hendo was a bad stylistic match-up for Boetsch, and Lombard has looked awful off the juice and should have stayed at welterweight.

By the way, the fight could have been stopped when Lombard had Hendo hurt and it wouldn't have been a worse stoppage than Hendo's over Fedor.

The only reason Bisping isn't -400 here is because people think Hendo's win over Lombard is relevant in this fight for some reason.

Forget fights from a decade ago for a sec though.

Based on recent fights and how Hendo has looked off the juice at 46 years old, do you honestly think he has a 33% chance to win this fight?

I do. My main play on the fight is the ITD though.

My main point which you never address is how Bisping backs up and flinches when big winging strikes are thrown at him. He does not do well with big wide punches coming at him. He hasn't really had a matchup like that recently besides glimpses of it which we saw vs. Leites. He backs up, head back straight up, and hands down trying to push away. He just leaves himself wide open, and his high volume attack has him on the inside a lot too. Henderson has shown the most trouble he has is with strong finishers or strong grapplers. I don't really view Bisping as either, and I think this forces him to try to utilize his striking style which can be risky even if Hendo lands at a low %.

By the way, I'm not even one that doubted Bisping a bunch. I was one of the few on him vs. Silva. I liked him vs. Dolloway when it felt like most were on Dolloway. This is not a good stylistic matchup for him IMO.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Or maybe me picking Omi in an avatar bet is me playing mind games with you.

How confident are you really in Struve right about now? Probably a tiny bit less confident than an hour ago. Now you'll think about @PuertoRican when you're finalizing your DraftKings team.

My work here is done...

lol @ you @'ing yourself

if you promised me you'd include Danny O on your DK team, i'd make this avatar bet for 2 months if you wanted to

 

[Brick Top]

You didn't make any comment about thinking Bisping looked like shit when capping another fight, such as Bisping/Silva or Bisping/Rockhold? Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else. Hell, I may even be mixing it up and you said Leites looked like shit. I personally didn't think Bisping looked great against Leites and showed a lot of the issues that I'm talking about.

Oh yeah I remember now. Someone, maybe you was saying Leites' striking was technical in the Bisping fight and i disagreed because I don't think Leites is a good striker at all. It was before the Camozzi fight I think.

 

[Sham5916910]

I would be careful with BEktic. Doane is on 3 fight losing streak and back against the wall. Nothing to lose. Could come out guns blazing. I haven't seen Bektic old fights but I heard even Chas Skelly hurt him. Doane KO/TKO not a bad bet considering every card has its smoka/santos.

Every card does not have a smolka santos fight outcome