UFC 203 - Stipe vs Overeem - Cleveland

[Joseph Budden]

Booo McCall DEC +143...

I knew it. Fuck you Kalikas.

 

[Brick Top]

I think Eye has some value. But you didn't mention that Eye has some of the worst fight IQ in the game, with almost zero sense of urgency when behind. At least Bethe can stick to a gameplan and is a predictable fighter.

As far as moneyline it is a Live bet only fight for me. The over is juiced but tempting.

OH shit here come the props

She has bad fight IQ against grapplers, because she can't defend takedowns for shit. Not an issue in this fight.

It's pretty much impossible to have bad fight IQ against Bethe

 

[Jae Gibbz]

Spencer DEC +290. I like

 

[Joseph Budden]

Have you taken into account that Gall competes against the best guys in the world in grappling tourneys? Depending on format, the matches can be as long or longer than 15 minutes (with no breaks). Anyone that's ever competed in these knows the kind of cardio necessary to do it. Esp against the guys he's competing against.

Maybe cause I wrestled before jiu jitsu, but honestly as far as cardio goes doing jiu jitsu was BY FAR easier than wrestling/sparring imo. Doesn't say much

 

[Ukram]

After watching tape I really like Eye in this fight, I think she dominates her way to a decision.

Huge speed advantage, home town advantage. Yes she's looked bad in her last few fights, but that's against elite level competition. She didn't pull the trigger at all in the McMann fight because she knows once she gets taken down she can't get up. She doesn't have that to worry about in this one.

Bethe looked improved in the Raquel fight but she's still slow and doesn't hit hard enough to cause Eye problems like Tate did, and doesn't have the grappling to cause Eye problems like McMann and Pena did. It's most likely going to be 3 rounds of striking and with speed and volume, and the fight being in Cleveland, I think Eye takes it pretty handily like she did in the Leslie Smith fight (well, it would have been a dominant decision if Smith's ear didn't explode).

The only thing that worries me is Bethe is probably physically stronger and could have success clinching Eye against the cage like she did in the 3rd round against Raquel.

I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone else who's watched tape on this one too. I'm probably going to be pretty big on Eye.

Had virtually the same b/d posted few days ago accept I felt bethe may edge the fight due to her stronger clinch and grind style against the cage game, she is terrible and not the best grappling and take downs but she at least tries, eye however confused me by showing an decent clinch game against pena and others in the past maybe it was like you say McMann just too big and strong via her wrestling level.

I like eye, home turf advantage we could see a stronger, fresher fighter perhaps exactly the type needed to beat bethe but I also think bethe won against pennington 2-1 so I think you were right many eons ago when you said both are terrible, maybe overs/decision prop are safest.

 

[Brick Top]

It wouldn't even surprise me if Eye tried to grapple Bethe herself. Even Jessamyn Duke put Bethe in bad positions.

 

[EzFlyer]

all over correia DEC +241

she's never finishing eye and this is a razor close match

 

[Sham5916910]

She didn't pull the trigger because she was scared of takedowns by an Olympic wrestler. She's fighting a brawler now who's been training for 4 years. Completely different match-up.

Your money id rather steer clear of ropey women

 

[Jae Gibbz]

all over correia DEC +241

she's never finishing eye and this is a razor close match

I get what you're saying. If Eye DEC was even close to that (like +200) I would like that a lot better. CUrrently +150, tho =/

 

[Ukram]

Liking that andrade training video, showing the same tenacity and aggression in her punches, looks like she is training to mix in body shots to head shots, given how jojo is 4 inches taller and the slimmer longer frame that could work well against jojo.

Still liking andrade in this fight, either way its oddly one of the main fights I am looking forward to !

 

[Joseph Budden]

Only hit Spencer dec +290 but a few lines I liked. Gonna be hard avoiding Faber dec if it stays over +200.....

 

[vkram]

got .5u on Browne wins by Dec @ +1005. I think that's the only way he wins? But who knows.

Wouldn't be surprised if he knocked Werdum out, he hurt him in their first fight and Werdum is coming off a knockout loss (so is Browne).

 

[EzFlyer]

WTF? medeiros DEC +360

i liked the opener of +255

this line is great

 

[Sham5916910]

What I think everyone can actually trust in this Punk fight is his mind and cardio. I mean wrestling is fake we all know that but it's not like someone else is doing their work for them. And even before his wwe career Punk was known for wrestling long ass matches in the indies. He has never depended on roiding or drugs to pull through the painful scheduling either. I think Gall's cardio is more of a question mark at this point despite the "age advantage".

There is no way you can trust punks cardio cos he has competed in wwf. Its not real and its nowhere near as demanding as a real fight. Theres no fear factor well the fear factor is no where near as big as a real fight. Hes 37 and never had a real fight he could have a huge adrenaline dump and gas after two mins. Not to mention if gall puts it on him standing punk will not be relaxed he will tighten up and hold his breath and ultimately gas most likely. It takes a long time to learn how to relax and not panic when being hit.

 

[EzFlyer]

I get what you're saying. If Eye DEC was even close to that (like +200) I would like that a lot better. CUrrently +150, tho =/

i favor correia in the fight

 

[Sham5916910]

Maybe cause I wrestled before jiu jitsu, but honestly as far as cardio goes doing jiu jitsu was BY FAR easier than wrestling/sparring imo. Doesn't say much

Wrestling saps your cardio like nothing else you will ever do in life. The only worse feeling than being gassed wrestling is being punched while you are gassed.

 

[Brick Top]

Eye dec +150 isn't bad at all.

If it's a close fight, she's getting the nod. It's in Cleveland.

There is NO WAY Bethe will dominate.

 

[Brick Top]

i favor correia in the fight

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

 

[mkess101]

Maybe cause I wrestled before jiu jitsu, but honestly as far as cardio goes doing jiu jitsu was BY FAR easier than wrestling/sparring imo. Doesn't say much

Wrestling yes, sparring no way imo. And depends on opponent too. Watching Gall vs Ryan there's just no way I could think Gall has sub par cardio.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

i favor correia in the fight

Gotcha. I ever so slightly lean Eye, and the hometown advantage in a fight that is likely to go the distance sways me away from a Beth play

Still need to rewatch dreaded tape on them, tho...