UFC 203 - Stipe vs Overeem - Cleveland

[Joseph Budden]

Wrestling saps your cardio like nothing else you will ever do in life. The only worse feeling than being gassed wrestling is being punched while you are gassed.

Yeah when I was wrestling I could literally do jiu jitsu non stop without gassing, didn't matter against who. But first time I took a hard body shot in sparring I was done. So hard to base someone's cardio for a fight off of doing jits.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Wrestling yes, sparring no way imo. And depends on opponent too. Watching Gall vs Ryan there's just no way I could think Gall has sub part cardio.

Yeah just responded lol ^^^^

 

[Brick Top]

Anyone that favors Bethe, PLEASE give me your reasoning. Because I don't understand it at all.

 

[EzFlyer]

hit a bunch of decision props here

medeiros DEC +360 (pretty big)
correia DEC +241 (pretty big)
borg +248 (kinda medium)
rivera DEC +176 (i prolly would've done more but i'm big on O2.5 and rivera straight already)
tavares DEC +175 (very small)
andrade DEC +230 (very small)

 

[Tebowned]

Maybe cause I wrestled before jiu jitsu, but honestly as far as cardio goes doing jiu jitsu was BY FAR easier than wrestling/sparring imo. Doesn't say much

To touch on this:
Wrestling training is far more cardio taxing than BJJ training on average especially at a beginner level as they mostly start on the ground in BJJ.
BJJ competition training is pretty comparable to wrestling competition training as you practice standup and explode a lot more.

I've competed in BJJ and wrestling(HS level in Southern California which is pretty competitive). Just my opinion though. YRMV.

About the fight.. I have no fucking clue.

 

[MacPherson911]

why is it taking Bookmaker so freaking long to post a moneyline on Lentz/McBride?

 

[Joseph Budden]

Anyone that favors Bethe, PLEASE give me your reasoning. Because I don't understand it at all.

I don't favor Bethe but its not hard to play devil's advocate. Eye has shit fight IQ, she has shown zero improvements since the Kaufman and Smith fights, and considering how horrible her defense is its not at all unlikely she gets in a fire fight at some point and gets clipped hard.

 

[Brick Top]

I don't favor Bethe but its not hard to play devil's advocate. Eye has shit fight IQ, she has shown zero improvements since the Kaufman and Smith fights, and considering how horrible her defense is its not at all unlikely she gets in a fire fight at some point and gets clipped hard.

Has she shown zero improvements or just fought elite fighters? McMann, Tate and Pena. Correia is not even close to any of them.

Bethe has NO power whatsoever either, and has even worse striking defense.

 

[Brick Top]

What advantages does Correia have over Eye in this fight? I honestly can't even think of one.

 

[Ukram]

Galls 24 and looks the right height, size and body frame for welterweight division, while punks 6.2" and 37.

 

[mkess101]

Yeah when I was wrestling I could literally do jiu jitsu non stop without gassing, didn't matter against who. But first time I took a hard body shot in sparring I was done. So hard to base someone's cardio for a fight off of doing jits.

I tend to lump wrestling and bjj into just "grappling". If you go against a good top heavy grappler that's always looking to advance and pass your guard and has good cardio himself, it's tiring as hell.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Has she shown zero improvements or just fought elite fighters? McMann, Tate and Pena. Correia is not even close to any of them.

Bethe has NO power whatsoever either, and has even worse striking defense.

Yeah you could make the elite fighter argument for Pena and McMann. Vs tate she looked basically the same though until gettting rocked in round 1.

I wouldn't say NO power, when she can sit down on her punches which she was able to a couple time vs Raqi those definitely aren't pillow fisted punches. But yeah, thats only spot I favor her is in an exchange where Eye's defense + likelihood to do something stupid can get her rocked. Shes definitely a more refined technical boxer in every way

 

[Sham5916910]

It is but you can relax more rolling wrestling is constant push pull

 

[Sham5916910]

Does it matter bethe has no power? Tate dropped eye twice lol if tate can do it anyone can

 

[Joseph Budden]

I tend to lump wrestling and bjj into just "grappling". If you go against a good top heavy grappler that's always looking to advance and pass your guard and has good cardio himself, it's tiring as hell.

Idk man maybe cause I wrestled in high school in NJ where shit is real, jiu jitsu was nothing to me. I could literally roll for hours back in those days.

EDIT keep in mind I think you've mentioned you're a bigger guy, and i'm 5'8 and weighed 150 at the time lol so that might have something to do with it

 

[Brick Top]

Yeah you could make the elite fighter argument for Pena and McMann. Vs tate she looked basically the same though until gettting rocked in round 1.

I wouldn't say NO power, when she can sit down on her punches which she was able to a couple time vs Raqi those definitely aren't pillow fisted punches. But yeah, thats only spot I favor her is in an exchange where Eye's defense + likelihood to do something stupid can get her rocked. Shes definitely a more refined technical boxer in every way

If Bethe even slightly wobbles Eye I will delete my account. She is definitely pillow fisted and is just too slow. She slightly rocked Shayna but only after like 20 clean punches when Shayna was leaning against the cage like a complete retard with her chin in the air, and even then Shayna was giving her trouble before that happened.

There is absolutely no way Bethe is a more refined technical boxer than Eye. That is complete nonsense

 

[sonhow]

Have you taken into account that Gall competes against the best guys in the world in grappling tourneys? Depending on format, the matches can be as long or longer than 15 minutes (with no breaks). Anyone that's ever competed in these knows the kind of cardio necessary to do it. Esp against the guys he's competing against.

There are other world class grapplers that have gassed badly in mma competition (Rolles Gracie s Joyey Beltran one of the most obvious examples ). I know Galls a in shape ww but he is young, inexperienced to the big stage and most likely will be looking to take Punk out of there quickly.

There is no way you can trust punks cardio cos he has competed in wwf. Its not real and its nowhere near as demanding as a real fight. Theres no fear factor well the fear factor is no where near as big as a real fight. Hes 37 and never had a real fight he could have a huge adrenaline dump and gas after two mins. Not to mention if gall puts it on him standing punk will not be relaxed he will tighten up and hold his breath and ultimately gas most likely. It takes a long time to learn how to relax and not panic when being hit.

He isnt your typical roided up freak though. Single pro wrestling matches are not as demanding but the point was he has shown insane ability to handle the whole world of pro wrestling where many who choose to take that path battle with personal demons, injuries and drug problems at his age. The point was he is not a weak person or quitter in the slightest. These type of personalities tend to find something more out of themselves when it looks like the last breath has left them (oh no that was corny....)

Gall will most likely run right through Punk but I imagine it will be early in the fight.

 

[Joseph Budden]

If Bethe even slightly wobbles Eye I will delete my account. She is definitely pillow fisted and is just too slow. She slightly rocked Shayna but only after like 20 clean punches when Shayna was leaning against the cage like a complete retard with her chin in the air, and even then Shayna was giving her trouble before that happened.

There is absolutely no way Bethe is a more refined technical boxer than Eye. That is complete nonsense

Na you read it backwards, meant Eye is the more refined boxer lol my bad

Prepare to delete your account. This is Jessica Eye we're talking about

 

[Brick Top]

Does it matter bethe has no power? Tate dropped eye twice lol if tate can do it anyone can

There is a huge difference between Tate and Bethe. Tate at least has a few knockouts to her name and so much experience. The punch she landed both times was a looping overhand right, something Bethe has never thrown. Ever. All Bethe throws are those really short hooks with no power whatsoever.

 

[Brick Top]

Na you read it backwards, meant Eye is the more refined boxer lol my bad

Prepare to delete your account. This is Jessica Eye we're talking about

Sig bet me. This is Bethe we're talking about, who didn't even slightly wobble Jessamyn Duke after over like 50 clean punches.