UFC 203 - Stipe vs Overeem - Cleveland

[Joseph Budden]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/9/7...-203-miocic-vs-overeem-fight-pass-preview-mma

Thought i'd end up amongst the very few who like Spencer. Confidence increase via Dayne Fox

 

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[northsofia]

If Punk wins this fight, ufc have to rename the sport to CMA (Circus martia arts)

Now seriously, Punk looks exactly like a guy who is training for 1 year and have no pro fights. I think i can hadle him with my 3 years of training. Def think Gall will have no problems to finish this in rd1 or rd2 max.

 

[Brick Top]

After watching tape I really like Eye in this fight, I think she dominates her way to a decision.

Huge speed advantage, home town advantage. Yes she's looked bad in her last few fights, but that's against elite level competition. She didn't pull the trigger at all in the McMann fight because she knows once she gets taken down she can't get up. She doesn't have that to worry about in this one.

Bethe looked improved in the Raquel fight but she's still slow and doesn't hit hard enough to cause Eye problems like Tate did, and doesn't have the grappling to cause Eye problems like McMann and Pena did. It's most likely going to be 3 rounds of striking and with speed and volume, and the fight being in Cleveland, I think Eye takes it pretty handily like she did in the Leslie Smith fight (well, it would have been a dominant decision if Smith's ear didn't explode).

The only thing that worries me is Bethe is probably physically stronger and could have success clinching Eye against the cage like she did in the 3rd round against Raquel.

I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone else who's watched tape on this one too. I'm probably going to be pretty big on Eye.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

After watching tape I really like Eye in this fight, I think she dominates her way to a decision.

Huge speed advantage, home town advantage. Yes she's looked bad in her last few fights, but that's against elite level competition. She didn't pull the trigger at all in the McMann fight because she knows once she gets taken down she can't get up. She doesn't have that to worry about in this one.

Bethe looked improved in the Raquel fight but she's still slow and doesn't hit hard enough to cause Eye problems like Tate did, and doesn't have the grappling to cause Eye problems like McMann and Pena did. It's most likely going to be 3 rounds of striking and with speed and volume, and the fight being in Cleveland, I think Eye takes it pretty handily like she did in the Leslie Smith fight (well, it would have been a dominant decision if Smith's ear didn't explode).

The only thing that worries me is Bethe is probably physically stronger and could have success clinching Eye against the cage like she did in the 3rd round against Raquel.

I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone else who's watched tape on this one too. I'm probably going to be pretty big on Eye.

I have not rewatched any tape yet, but I did a brief breakdown before the odds came out in case Jessica was the dog. You pretty much hit my main points except a couple.

In her last three losses/fights she was against grappling oriented fighters. Now I cannot speak for her, but I'm pretty sure the threat of takedowns had an impact on her striking.

Conversely, both of her UFC wins came against standup fighters (Kaufmann fight overturned)

She also supposedly has a 1 inch high advantage and a 2 inch reach advantage

I still might play her pending on tape

 

[sonhow]

What I think everyone can actually trust in this Punk fight is his mind and cardio. I mean wrestling is fake we all know that but it's not like someone else is doing their work for them. And even before his wwe career Punk was known for wrestling long ass matches in the indies. He has never depended on roiding or drugs to pull through the painful scheduling either. I think Gall's cardio is more of a question mark at this point despite the "age advantage".

 

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There will be early weigh-ins.

From Lauzon on reddit - "I was wrong about there being no early weigh-ins and the 7 pound thing. I read an article saying Ohio would not allow these earlier weigh-ins and I ran with it. I should have double checked. My bad. Pulled the post for now because I can't edit or deal with it right now."

 

[Brick Top]

I have not rewatched any tape yet, but I did a brief breakdown before the odds came out in case Jessica was the dog. You pretty much hit my main points except a couple.

In her last three losses/fights she was against grappling oriented fighters. Now I cannot speak for her, but I'm pretty sure the threat of takedowns had an impact on her striking.

Conversely, both of her UFC wins came against standup fighters (Kaufmann fight overturned)

She also supposedly has a 1 inch high advantage and a 2 inch reach advantage

I still might play her pending on tape

I did say she didn't pull the trigger because she was scared of McMann's takedowns, and that Bethe doesn't have the grappling to give Eye problems like Tate and Nunes did.

 

[Brick Top]

There will be early weigh-ins.

From Lauzon on reddit - "I was wrong about there being no early weigh-ins and the 7 pound thing. I read an article saying Ohio would not allow these earlier weigh-ins and I ran with it. I should have double checked. My bad. Pulled the post for now because I can't edit or deal with it right now."

Well that's pointless. Why post it if you're not sure?

 

[Jae Gibbz]

I did say she didn't pull the trigger because she was scared of McMann's takedowns, and that Bethe doesn't have the grappling to give Eye problems like Tate and Nunes did.

Yeah, I saw. I more or less just reposted my old post

 

[Sham5916910]

God just realised eye subjected me t the worst 15 mins of my life last fight. I wouldnt trust her with a penny. If bethe can run pennington close she can definitely beat eye.

 

[Brick Top]

Yeah, I saw. I more or less just reposted my old post

My bad.

 

[Brick Top]

God just realised eye subjected me t the worst 15 mins of my life last fight. I wouldnt trust her with a penny. If bethe can run pennington close she can definitely beat eye.

She didn't pull the trigger because she was scared of takedowns by an Olympic wrestler. She's fighting a brawler now who's been training for 4 years. Completely different match-up.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

My bad.

Nah, it's cool. I hear you.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

props

 

[AffectEffect]

I think Eye has some value. But you didn't mention that Eye has some of the worst fight IQ in the game, with almost zero sense of urgency when behind. At least Bethe can stick to a gameplan and is a predictable fighter.

As far as moneyline it is a Live bet only fight for me. The over is juiced but tempting.

OH shit here come the props

 

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[edhan]

got .5u on Browne wins by Dec @ +1005. I think that's the only way he wins? But who knows.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

Booo McCall DEC +143...

 

[mkess101]

What I think everyone can actually trust in this Punk fight is his mind and cardio. I mean wrestling is fake we all know that but it's not like someone else is doing their work for them. And even before his wwe career Punk was known for wrestling long ass matches in the indies. He has never depended on roiding or drugs to pull through the painful scheduling either. I think Gall's cardio is more of a question mark at this point despite the "age advantage".

Have you taken into account that Gall competes against the best guys in the world in grappling tourneys? Depending on format, the matches can be as long or longer than 15 minutes (with no breaks). Anyone that's ever competed in these knows the kind of cardio necessary to do it. Esp against the guys he's competing against.