U.S. report on Russian hacking released.

[7437]

Your sarcasms misses its mark when that community of experts you're talking about is comprised of spies.

On a second level of poes law, that was not sarcastic

 

[ncordless]

Annex A is the same gibberish they've been spouting since day 1. 13 of 15 real pages are dedicated to RT.
There is no reason to release this report if its just to make their RT narrative look all offiiclal-like. This is so clowns like yourself can say "look, an official report"!

The bottom line is this; if their is proof that Putin gave direct orders to interfere with our election and that proof is so top secret that it cannot be revealed then people are forced to be skeptical.
Unless you're the type of person who believes what every spy tells you and accuses those who don't believe of being traitors.

You are literally regurgitating the propaganda Russia gave you and then accusing others of blindly believing everything spies tell us. Hilarious.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

1. Ban and punish RT and the Americans in collusion with it. Expel the diplomats. New legislation creating an agency to be a watchdog against this type of thing in the future. Block Wikileaks. Put that snake Assange in a cell or in a grave.

That's probably too much censorship of the press to pass either Constitutional muster or my own sense of ethics. Are you being ironic?

 

[Grenz]

I'm not saying they care about us, I'm saying they exposed some corruption that is pretty fucking important if we want to believe our democratic process has any merit at all! If the government and media is conspiring to rid elections, yet somehow the blame is placed on a Russian TV outlet rather than the corruption itself? This is blatant slight of hand.

So we know that CNN slipped Clinton some notes. That's definitely fucked up, but it's hardly evidence that the entire US democratic process is a sham.

It's interesting how you guys laugh off the RT involvement when you are here screaming about CNN colluding with the DNC. So Russia allegedly uses RT as a propaganda tool (and this is most likely true, independent of this scandal) and RT colludes with Wikileaks, but this somehow isn't anything to worry about, but CNN slips some questions to Hillary and this is a damning indictment of the MSM and the DNC? There's some cognitive dissonance at play here....

And again, it comes down to this: Russia allegedly spies on US politicians with a clear goal of influencing the elections. This is espionage. It's that black and white. They deserve a pat on the back for this? You're calling them patriots? These guys have an agenda, they're not doing this for any valiant reasons. This wasn't a noble act, it was self serving, it was a crime, and it deserves a response....which it already got of course.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

No, I mean if there is any actual evidence about Russian hacking I'll update my paradigm. Until then, you're fucking wrong.

I'm wrong to think Assange hates my country?
Evidence?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You are literally regurgitating the propaganda Russia gave you and then accusing others of blindly believing everything spies tell us. Hilarious.

 

[Diamond Jim]

Trump can easily dismiss this if he reveals his information. Maybe it's from his same team that was sent to Hawaii that was finding unbelievable information about Obama.

 

[Blackened]

So we know that CNN slipped Clinton some notes. That's definitely fucked up, but it's hardly evidence that the entire US democratic process is a sham.

It's interesting how you guys laugh off the RT involvement when you are here screaming about CNN colluding with the DNC. So Russia allegedly uses RT as a propaganda tool (and this is most likely true, independent of this scandal) and RT colludes with Wikileaks, but this somehow isn't anything to worry about, but CNN slips some questions to Hillary and this is a damning indictment of the MSM and the DNC? There's some cognitive dissonance at play here....

And again, it comes down to this: Russia allegedly spies on US politicians with a clear goal of influencing the elections. This is espionage. It's that black and white. They deserve a pat on the back for this? You're calling them patriots? These guys have an agenda, they're not doing this for any valiant reasons. This wasn't a noble act, it was self serving, it was a crime, and it deserves a response....which it already got of course.

Al Jazeera is a propaganda tool of the Saudis.

Britain uses BBC as a propaganda tool.

CNN is probably a propaganda tool of the States!

Whats the difference?

 

[Fedorable]

So, someone spell this out for me, real easy like.

 

[Grenz]

My god you are crooked. Annex A is the part that discusses what RT is and a bit about what they did. That's not even the main part of the report. The report details how Russia was behind the hacking, how Russia spread the information to various other sources, and how they used RT to distribute the propaganda as well.

Seriously though. RT plays a part here as a propaganda outlet for Russia. We knew that with reasonable certainty long before any of this went down. Nowhere in the report does it say some RT news anchor hacked the emails. Not sure why the annex of this report somehow discredits the whole thing....

 

[Grenz]

Al Jazeera is a propaganda tool of the Saudis.

Britain uses BBC as a propaganda tool.

CNN is probably a propaganda tool of the States!

Whats the difference?

There's a massive fucking difference. You're saying that Saudi Arabia - a theocratic monarchy that practices the most fucked up form of Islam on the planet - is the same as Britain and the BBC? [Sidenote: SA does have a propaganda news outlet and it's not AL Jazeera. It's this: http://english.aawsat.com/2016/09/a...ia-receives-4-million-syrian-yemeni-refugees] On one hand we have countries with real freedom and a real democratic process (and please show me evidence of the propaganda BBC distributes for the British government) and on the other you have countries who don't have those things.

 

[Blackened]

There's a massive fucking difference. You're saying that Saudi Arabia - a theocratic monarchy that practices the most fucked up form of Islam on the planet - is the same as Britain and the BBC? [Sidenote: SA does have a propaganda news outlet and it's not AL Jazeera. It's this: http://english.aawsat.com/2016/09/a...ia-receives-4-million-syrian-yemeni-refugees] On one hand we have countries with real freedom and a real democratic process (and please show me evidence of the propaganda BBC distributes for the British government) and on the other you have countries who don't have those things.

You're missing the point.

Saudi Arabia interfered with the election the SAME WAY the Russians did. Through a media outlet.

And yes they do receive funding from Saudi Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

 

[Teppodama]

I only have one question. Aside from the purely illegal action of hacking in general, how is Russian action on influencing opinion on the election substantially different than accepting foreign governmental financing or financing from foreign nationals to help finance an election campaign? Aren't both technically foreign influence working to effect an outcome they desire in a government not their own?

Anyone on the left want to step up with an answer?

 

[Grenz]

You're missing the point.

Saudi Arabia interfered with the election the SAME WAY the Russians did. Through a media outlet.

And yes they do receive funding from Saudi Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

How so? Did SA also hack US politicians?

 

[Blackened]

How so? Did SA also hack US politicians?

Define hack.

Did Russians hack US politicians? Because that report didn't say they did, it said the interference was from the media outlet RT.

 

[Grenz]

Anyone on the left want to step up with an answer?

Both are fucked up and wrong, but one is legal and the other is espionage under even the loosest definition of that term.

 

[11_others]

Wait, I just listened to CNN piece that went over the declassified points of the report.

Is "Intelligence community" a DNC PR spokesperson by any chance? Sounded exactly like an opinion piece on why Putin would want to hack DNC, but not actual information of how they tied Putin directly to it.

"It noted that in the final run-up to the election, when polls favored Clinton to win the election, Moscow shifted its campaign to influence the election to one aimed at undermining the validity of the electoral results.
"Before the election, Russian diplomats had already publicly denounced the US electoral process and were prepared to publicly call into question the validity of the results," the reported stated, adding that pro-Russian government bloggers had prepared a Twitter campaign on Election Night using the hashtag "#DemocracyRIP."

"Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him," the report said.



Where is the "Intelligence" report?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/intelligence-report-putin-election/index.html

 

[Grenz]

Define hack.

Did Russians hack US politicians? Because that report didn't say they did, it said the interference was from the media outlet RT.

Oh c'mon man. Let's not play semantics here. We both know what we're talking about: illegally obtaining information, violating national sovereignty in the process, and then distributing thjat information with the goal of influencing a specific outcome.

So how has SA done this?

 

[Blackened]

Oh c'mon man. Let's not play semantics here. We both know what we're talking about: illegally obtaining information, violating national sovereignty in the process, and then distributing thjat information with the goal of influencing a specific outcome.

So how has SA done this?

Where in the report does it say Russians did that?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

So we know that CNN slipped Clinton some notes. That's definitely fucked up, but it's hardly evidence that the entire US democratic process is a sham.

It's interesting how you guys laugh off the RT involvement when you are here screaming about CNN colluding with the DNC. So Russia allegedly uses RT as a propaganda tool (and this is most likely true, independent of this scandal) and RT colludes with Wikileaks, but this somehow isn't anything to worry about, but CNN slips some questions to Hillary and this is a damning indictment of the MSM and the DNC? There's some cognitive dissonance at play here....

And again, it comes down to this: Russia allegedly spies on US politicians with a clear goal of influencing the elections. This is espionage. It's that black and white. They deserve a pat on the back for this? You're calling them patriots? These guys have an agenda, they're not doing this for any valiant reasons. This wasn't a noble act, it was self serving, it was a crime, and it deserves a response....which it already got of course.

I think you're missing the point. This ICA is released like its the smoking gun, but all it does is regurgitate what has already been told to us, which is nothing, and dedicate the bulk of the report talking about RT. RT didn't emerge out of nowhere in 2016 and their bias against Clinton shouldn't be considered a game changer seeing as our own MSM dedicated something like $4B worth of press-coverage for free. The report is a joke.