Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[Thunder-747]

Why don't u think his chin is durable enough? Fact is that ngannou has very little wear and tear on being hit as he ends most fights very quickly on his career before his opponent has gotten hardly any punches on him. Secondly no one has ever even appeared to hurt him in his entire career. Fury hit him with a few good ones including with an illegal elbow and they all glanced off with him seeming to barely even notice them. There isn't any evidence that wilder can flatten him with a single punch at all. On the other hand when wilder tries to hit him with that fight ender, he will expose his own chin for ngannou's specialty - the counter power hook or uppercut. Wilder has shown in his fury fights he lacks the chin to stand up to that level of power himself as in he can dish it out but he cannot take even lesser shots. Ngannou hits so hard that he has knocked people down with just glancing blows off their skulls. He has loterally chamged the direction of one opppnent's fall by the power of his punch. He laid miocic out cold with a perfect check hook as mioicic came in with his own fight ender.

I'm with you, I think this is a very close fight and from my betting days (decades ago) I''ve learned that it always pays to bet AGAINST the fighter who had suffered a bad KO in recent history.

 

[Sanserif]

Francis was momentarily rocked as you guys call it in MMA. If I recall correctly his legs buckled a bit. Stipe made the mistake of rushing in like an idiot to follow up and got brutally chinned. Wilder can lead and counter and he's definitely the harder hitter. Fury confirmed that much already. You could also see it in their fight. Francis dropped him but it was more because Fury was off balance. Wilder dropped him with a punch to the forehead for crying out loud. Francis vs Lewis was the worst fight I've ever seen because both were extremely cautious of the other's power. However, Lewis was a bit more willing to engage and Francis just shut down. It stands to reason that if he was so worried about Lewis then he'll be far more hesitant around Wilder. Fury isn't a puncher so he didn't have too much to worry about. With guys like Wilder, AJ, and Zhang Francis will know that getting chinned is a real possibility.

Ngannou has faced other power hitters before like rozenstruik. They didn't faze him. Against lewis, ngannou held back because his head was messed up.after the mioicic loss - he has spoken about qhat a huge hit that loss was to him.at that time as he was on top of the world and thought he was invincible. If Lewis fought him now, ngannou would ko him.in the first round.

And miocic did not rock him at all. He connected and that checked ngannou's advance whicj miocic misconstrued as him being stunned. But u can see nganous coordination immediately after - smooth and in full control. As miooc leapt forward mgannouq as already seeing it in real time and aiming his check hook. As miocic collapsed nganou was already moving into position with his fist lifted high like a hammer to deal the finishing blows.

 

[Sanserif]

Exactly. WIlder's chin is likely suspect after that KO and given the size/strength advantage and how Ngannou hurt Fury -- Wilder better watch out. This isn't one of those cans he was KO'ing in the first round to create his legend.

Precisely those knockouts did not do his chin any good at all.

 

[Thunder-747]

And also consider this -- Fury hurt Deontay MULTIPLE times throughout their fights and KO'd him, completely DISMANTLED him.

Was there a SINGLE instance last night where Fury hurt Ngannou? No. Ngannou was never in any real hurt. In fact, didn't seem like he had to worry about Fury's power much.

And that was BEFORE Deyontay's chin and psychological confidence were broken -- he fell as if he got hit by a hammer and seemed like he was mentally struggling keeping it together afterwards -- not a good sign.

So, Fury was hurting him BEFORE that, if anything it's worse now. Last night Ngannou looked like he could take Fury's shots with zero problems.

So that's very interesting isn't it? When you think about who has a better chin.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Ngannou has faced other power hitters before like rozenstruik. They didn't faze him. Bgannou held back because his head was messed up.after the mioicic loss - he has spoken about qhat a huge hit that loss was to him.at that time as he was on top of the world and thought he was invincible.

And miocic did not rock him at all. He connected and that checked ngannou's advance whicj miocic misconstrued as him being stunned. But u can see nganous coordination immediately after - smooth and in full control. As miooc leapt forward mgannouq as already seeing it in real time and aiming his check hook. As miocic collapsed nganou was already moving into position with his fist lifted high like a hammer to deal the finishing blows.

Wilder isn't just some big puncher. He's arguably the greatest hitter of all time in boxing if not all of combat sports. Francis' best punches are hooks and uppercuts while Wilder's is obviously his straight right hand. It's a weapon he's refined over the years and it's versatile. He can lead with it, counter with it, and he has both short and long variations. That's why he's so deadly. In his last fight he was on the back foot and he barely even had to touch Helenius to put him to sleep. Francis walked into Stipe's right hand and it put him on bambi legs for a split second. He stumbled but was able to instantly recover. That's because he was stunned.

 

[TheTickG]

Do we now consider Francis Ngannou the Lineal Boxing Heavyweight Champion of the World AND Lineal Heavyweight MMA Champion of the world?

And if we do…

Is he now the greatest combat sport athlete of all time?

Losing doesn't make you lineal champ.

 

[SKYNET]

I had pen and paper in front of me.

 

[kingghidrah]

Yeah I felt this too, they probably both thought they had it in the bag so they didnt want to risk anything. But outside of a knockout there was no way Ngannou was going to win a decision with corrupt boxing judges, maybe with another knockdown he could have gotten a draw.

Winning the last round would have gotten him a win. The judging wasn't bad at all, one judge gave it to him by a point, another had Fury by a point, both were accurate scores based on a split of the 10th round. He wins the 10th on both those cards instead of one, he wins.

 

[GiganticMeat]

The judges also had a pen and paper in front of them…

Is that what judges actually do?

 

[CatchnShoot]

Honestly, I think AJ is a great fight for Francis, he’s looked dunzo for a while now..like mentally checked out.

How fun would a Juggernaut fight be? Rock ‘em Sock ‘em robots.....but financially doesn’t make sense.

 

[Iconoclast]

Francis Lost

The 10 million before tax won’t last long be nice to be mouth that fed you.

Hi hater. It confounds me that you were okay with pressing send with that shit post.

 

[Iconoclast]

I had pen and paper in front of me. Scored every round and had 96-93 Fury end result. The fight wasn't as close as everyone made it to be. Two judges got it right. No robbery. Ngannou did well but not enough to win this fight.

Your judging is of low quality.

 

[clackers]

Hi hater. It confounds me that you were okay with pressing send with that shit post.

Its all True especially in the Economy we live in today and Francis talking shit to the guy who gave him the biggest payday of his life.

Which part dont you understand. Don't like it move on.

Beat it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Its all True especially in the Economy we live in today and Francis talking shit to the guy who gave him the biggest payday of his life.

Which part dont you understand. Don't like it move on.

Beat it.

The lineal heavyweight champion got dropped and went to a split decision with someone who was making his heavyweight debut. There's no way you can spin it in a negative way for Francis.

 

[Vigfree]

The ufc really sho themselves in the foot here. Why not let Ngannou box like they let McGregor box? Honestly. Dana White would be in full defense mode If Ngannou were still under ufc contract. He would say Ngannou won that fight plain and simple and these jokers in boxing were gonna screw him. I told him so but we know who really won. Anyway I hope it's out of his system for now. While taking a 25 percent cut from Ngannous 12 million dollar pay day or whatever it was that the Saudis paid him. Dana made a mistake. He did this before with fumbling the Fedor signing TWICE.

Yah time for a new meme.

Dana fumbled the bag.

Greed is a motherfucker. The UFC is so fucking greedy wrt their fighters. It's sad.

 

[AndersonSilva23]

Theres a higher chance Ngannou can take one of Wilders shots than the other way around IMO

Ngannou’s chin > Wilder’s. Ngannou is much thicker and stronger. Francis would bully Wilder in the clinch and would have better overall ring control with his superior physicality but Wilder has much more boxing experience and therefore likely more boxing skill and would get some bombs to land, this one wouldn’t go the distance that’s for sure, Would be a great fight. If I was a betting man.. Ngannou’s a freakish athlete that’s built like a tank and would probably KO Wilder stiff, if he caught Fury clean 15+ times he’d definitely catch Wilder.

 

[humdizzle]

He lost. It was a close fight that could have gone either way but he lost. Just like reyes, hendricks, and tibau lost.

He is an amazing fighter and I'm happy he embarrassed the sport of boxing. Every mma fighters stock rose because of ngannou last night.

Can't rewrite history though.

 

[Sanserif]

Wilder isn't just some big puncher. He's arguably the greatest hitter of all time in boxing if not all of combat sports. Francis' best punches are hooks and uppercuts while Wilder's is obviously his straight right hand. It's a weapon he's refined over the years and it's versatile. He can lead with it, counter with it, and he has both short and long variations. That's why he's so deadly. In his last fight he was on the back foot and he barely even had to touch Helenius to put him to sleep. Francis walked into Stipe's right hand and it put him on bambi legs for a split second. He stumbled but was able to instantly recover. That's because he was stunned.

If his recovery was instant then how could he be stunned? Being stunned means u need recovery time. Instant "recovery" means that thetr was notjhng to recover from. More likely that his instant response where he immediately uncorked the perfect counter check hook showed that he wasn't stunned at all.

Ngannou also has long and short variations of his upper cuts and his hooks. He has also ko people with overhands before. He flattens people with glancing blows and even through their guard.

The power that both have isn't disputed by anybody here. But what I am saying is - there will come a point if rhey fight each other when both will be hit either at same time or immediatrly one after the other. And when that happens, ngannou still has his chin intact and his chin was always much stronger than Wilder's anyway. Wilder on the other hans has had his chin cracked and it was never as strong as ngannou's to Start with

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Francis Lost

The 10 million before tax won’t last long be nice to be mouth that fed you.

Lol. Even "losing", Francis won. He had more major stars and big wigs at his fight than any UFC in history. He had former and current boxing champs convinced he won. His stock has shot way up. That guy is gonna make more money than any past or present UFC star not named Conor Mcgregor moving forward.

The fact that the UFCs biggest fight is now canceled and Jon is out for year, but all people are talking about is this fight is hilarious. Dana must be smashing bottles and punching cheap drywall all over the place.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Unlike me wtf do you know about me or how I live.

GTFO

Dont talk shite about something you know nothing about. Francis 37 very late in life to start making the dollars. Im sure hes also got plenty of people around him taking a share of his earnings.

The sponsors will be there until he loses he isn't Floyd Mayweather. The fight with Fury was his money fight so he better hope he gets the rematch because last I heard PFL wouldn't be paying Francis UFC money. Thats why im saying dont bite the hand that feeds you.

Thats why im living the dream while Francis is getting his brains punched in at 37. His 10 million before Tax say 6 million wouldn't even buy much of a house where I live.

Says not to talk shit about something you know about... Proceeds to talk shit he knows nothing about. Stay dumb