Turtle Position

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by LordarshynBJJ, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. LordarshynBJJ

    LordarshynBJJ Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Akron, Ohio
    Hey, I was just wondering what everyone likes to do from turtle position?

    A lot of times I go to turtle when someone pushes me too far back when I am using Spider Guard, or when someone is about to pass my guard.

    Usually I will grab a leg and try a single or double leg. It seems to work sometimes, but other times I end up getting choked.

    anyways, I don't think I will abandon that technique all together, but I am looking for some alternatives. So what works for you? What is highest percentage? What is lowest?

    Videos are appreciated, but not necessary.
     
  2. Lapu-Lapu

    Lapu-Lapu Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    2,540
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    North Carolina
    A lot of times I do wrestling techniques. Granby's, Peterson Rolls, Switch, Sit outs.

    Spinning kimura is always a fun one to try.

    But typically, and against good quality opponents I try to make space and face them.
     
  3. easy tiger

    easy tiger Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2006
    Messages:
    717
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    CA
    I don't know if you train in the gi, but if you do, do you know of a way to hit Petersons without getting caught in a crucifix? I'm fine no-gi, but I get stuck sometimes when I try it in the gi. Maybe just grab the pant leg? I'm interested to see what others do.
     
  4. Lapu-Lapu

    Lapu-Lapu Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    2,540
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Yeah, I don't try any of that stuff Gi. I just try to roll through or flatten out to any type of guard. Too many chokes from that position with a gi.
     
  5. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Get the hell out of there is what I like to do.
     
  6. LordarshynBJJ

    LordarshynBJJ Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Akron, Ohio
    obviously.

    Thanks for your great input. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Fwogz1

    Fwogz1 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    816
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    505
    Turtle and roll to guard? Beware of the turtle position now, someones gonna "Galvao" you hahaha. ah can't wait til someone turtles in the gym, I've been practicing on my balance ball haha.
     
  8. TacWar

    TacWar Green Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2007
    Messages:
    1,117
    Likes Received:
    3

    with a gi just get a good grip on the pant leg and then after the roll get your hips away from your opponent and get your balls to the mat. Where the top man positions himself decides what I do from turtle. If they galvao me (knee riding the back I fake a wrestling standup and then either gramby or turtle roll to face them. If they put their knee in on one side I look for stepping behind the legs and sweeping back. ...actually there is so much to do, that I couldn't tell you how to do them all right. I think Josh Russel has a dvd that has a lot of great turtle attacks and reversals.
     
  9. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,773
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    If I am facing them, I do a sit out or arm spin sit out.

    If they have my back in side ride, I will do a kneeling version of soto makikomi. I just secure their elbow when they try to grab my far side collar and roll. Marcus Soares showed as a really cool variation on that and when I can access my training blog, I will post my notes from the seminar on that technique. I can't access it from work so just click on the webpage button below, if you don't want to wait.

    If they have their hooks in, I try and get an arm to the opposite side of my head and then post up on my head and feet. I throw them off me with a opposite side seoi nage.


    If he leaves one leg between my legs from behind, I might roll into a knee bar but I don't do that as often.
     
  10. kenban judan

    kenban judan orange belt, i think

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    449
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    sherdog.net/forums/f12/
    nine posts in and not a single telles reference yet...
     
  11. Col. Angus

    Col. Angus Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2003
    Messages:
    2,846
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    I forgot
    Careful - Next time you turtle, some dude might start break dancing on you back.
     
  12. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,773
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    Here are the notes I have from Marcus Soares turtle escapes.
     
  13. PhillyD45

    PhillyD45 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    1
    Since I'm a wrestler I usualy sit out. It works pretty well.

    I have a great way to get somebody out of the turtle. Take your elbow and dig it straight down into the middle of thier back (Very bottom of shoulder blade level). Watch em scamper. That friggin hurts!
     
  14. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trash.
     
  15. PhillyD45

    PhillyD45 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    498
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trash how? Because it works?
     
  16. JDV5811

    JDV5811 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,231
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Dallas,TX
    im not a big fan of being in any sort of turtle posistion
     
  17. DaDiazBros**

    DaDiazBros** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,478
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In Boxxy's shorts!
    roll out and pull the dude into guard, thats the typical protocol at least.
     
  18. TacWar

    TacWar Green Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2007
    Messages:
    1,117
    Likes Received:
    3
    why not just grab their balls...that'll make em squirm too... are you seeing the point now?
     
  19. Plus Juan

    Plus Juan Orange Belt

    Joined:
    May 27, 2006
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Bloodyknux
    I practice the turtle guard and back defenses as much as I can in practice. There are many sweeps from the turtle guard and counters. I love watching Telles' DvDs, because he is a master of the turtle guard. He shows some really effective and simple sweeps, from every position or variation. I also like to escape back to my feet, if it's MMA, or transition back to my guard.
     
  20. GeeMoney

    GeeMoney Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    335
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Amsterdam, The Netherlands
    well just watch the master of the turtle position in action in any of his many Pride Fights

    Sakuraba, he was the master of the turtle position ... did it so often, against so many Gracies ( and other highly skilled BJJ fighters ) and never got in any danger of a RNC ( or any other kind of submission ) from that position.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.