International Turkey is Angry that the Massacre of 1,500,000 Armenians is Finally Being Recognized a "Genocide"

[mike sherry]

He has had to address it once or twice but never just said "Yeah, I was wrong. I was young and didn't research well enough yada yada"

actually im almost 100% sure he used those exact words when he had to address it

not a fan tho so i dont care enough to find the source

 

[SammyPops]

lol non-jew genocides do not count.

 

[Amerikuracana]

War sucks.

 

[Diamond Jim]

no one gives a fuck about hurting turkey's feelings. Especially now, get out of here with that noise.


Turkey recently has been nothing but a bunch of asshats

Not a single administration, including Trump yesterday, will acknowledge or call it a genocide. That isn't a coincidence.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Never forget

Armenians being hung by Turks.

Refugees eating the carcass of a horse.

Transported like cattle, in a similiar way to the Jews.

More hangings.

 

[BLIND]

actually im almost 100% sure he used those exact words when he had to address it

not a fan tho so i dont care enough to find the source

I watched a youTube video about his rebuttal, and, no, he never did outright say that he was wrong or retract his statement in the one i saw. That was pretty much the poont of the vid, hating on him for not saying that. Though, he may have addressed it differently in a different video.

 

[njinsa]

I think all of us who post on here are guilty of whataboutism at some point or another, but this is one of the most pathetic examples I've seen.

Hypocritical denial is odiously rooted within you and those who agree with your opinion.

 

[Arkain2K]

Among worldwide Armenian genocide observances, Lebanon's is first among equals
By Nabih Bulos | April 24, 2017

Scouts gather at the Patriarchate of Beirut's Armenian Catholic Church to mark the 102nd anniversary of the Armenian genocide. ​

The thump of the bass drum reverberated through the neighborhood.

It was the cue for the dozens of young scouts in two-tone uniforms to take their positions in a procession through Beirut’s Christian quarter to the Patriarchate of the Armenian Catholic Church.

The solemn march Monday afternoon marked the 102nd anniversary of the start of the Armenian genocide, which began in 1915 and resulted in the deaths of as many as 1.5 million Armenians.

Turkey has long disputed that a genocide took place, arguing that the killings can’t be separated from the historical context of global upheaval during World War I, and that many Turks also were killed. But most historians outside Turkey describe an orchestrated effort of ethnic cleansing by the Ottoman Turkish government that meets the definition of genocide.

Once the procession reached the church, the scouts set wreaths of red and white flowers around an ornate column topped by a cross that stood at the center of a courtyard as a monument to the genocide.

Nearby, a few of the hardier boys raised poles with the Armenian blue, orange and red flag fluttering alongside Lebanon's flag. Some of their classmates’ faces turned a shade of scarlet as they blew trumpets raised to the sky.

“Wherever there are Armenians, there will be this ceremony.… It’s a duty. They come show respect and appreciation,” said Aram Karadaghlian, 31, one of the event’s organizers.

The stick on his jacket lapel featured an infinity sign around the number 102 underlined by a phrase in elegant Armenian script which declared: “On the verge of the new century, but with the same commitment as the previous one.”

It was a reference to the continuing struggle to keep the memory of the genocide alive, he said. “It’s about remembrance, because we don't forget.”

His sentiment was echoed by Mehran Najarian, a 44-year old businessman who had brought his family to the ceremony.

“In this country we have the privilege to be able to express ourselves,” he said. “Each community does this here.”

“I’m the third generation of Armenians here. And as you can see the fourth is standing in front of you,” he said, turning to his 10-year-old son, Sarkis.

Although there were commemorations for this event all over the world, said Samvel Mkrtchyan, Armenia’s ambassador to Lebanon, “the Armenian community in Lebanon is the most important.”

Lebanon’s more than 100,000 Armenians “are the descendants of those who perished in the beginning of the 20th century,” he said.

“Those orphans and impoverished families found refuge in Lebanon and they grew from the ashes and rebuilt their lives and became one its most important communities.”

Later, as night fell on the city, thousands descended on the downtown district to Martyrs’ Square, which had been named to remember Lebanese who had been executed there during Ottoman rule in 1931.

Rows of plastic chairs had been laid out before a stage ringed by powerful lights and a large screen displaying “100+2.”

Looking on were a dozen or so leather-clad members of the Armenian Brigade Motorcycle Club.

They would soon provide a high-revving escort for the march, tailing the marches out of the square with the motorcycles that now stood arrayed in a neat row to the side, their chrome gleaming from the spotlights.

“Today it's a duty on every Armenian to join this event for the recognition for the Armenian genocide,” said the leader of the club, Danny Dervishian, whose nickname, “The Godfather,” was stitched on his vest

Lebanese Armenian officials and politicians addressed the crowd.

One official, Annie Yepremian, gave a defiant speech in Armenian remarking on the global nature of the proceedings.

The anniversary was being marked “from Beirut to Paris, from Aleppo to New York, from Tehran to London,” said Yepremian.

A representative of Michel Aoun, the country’s newly appointed president, described the day as both “sad and brilliant.”

“It is sad because of the genocide against an alive, great, free people, the Armenians of Lebanon and the world,” he said.

But it was brilliant because of the achievements of the Lebanese Armenians in the country.

“A salute from the president,” he told the crowd to polite applause.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-lebanon-armenian-genocide-20170424-story.html

 

[Arkain2K]

Turkish historian: 'Smoking gun' telegram offers evidence of Armenian genocide
Sonja Puzic, CTVNews.ca | Tuesday, April 25, 2017

The coded telegram was found in a microfilm archive. It was written in a code in which Arabic four-digit numbers represented words. ​

A Turkish historian has unearthed a “smoking gun” telegram he says is evidence of an Armenian genocide during the First World War.

After many years of trying to access crucial Ottoman Empire documents related to the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians, Taner Akcam, a history professor at Clark University in Massachusetts, finally discovered a photographic record of a telegram dated July 4, 1915.

The telegram, written under Ottoman letterhead and coded in Arabic numbers, reads: “Are the Armenians who were deported from there being liquidated? Are the troublesome individuals whom you have reported as having being exiled and expelled being eliminated or merely sent off and deported? Please report back honestly.”

Akcam said he compared the Arabic codes written in the telegram with other known codes used by the Ottoman interior ministry at the time, and found matches.

The existence of that message, quoted as part of the evidence presented at post-war military tribunals in Turkey, was long known to historians. But the original telegram remained elusive for scholars like Akcam. And the fact that most of the original documents from the tribunals vanished in the years since has been used to support the arguments of genocide denialists, Akcam told CTVNews.ca.

He vividly remembers the day last summer when he finally got his hands on the microfilm copy of the telegram – the closest he’s gotten to the original document, which remains in an archive held by the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem.

“It was a rainy day,” Akcam recalled in a telephone interview from his office at Clark University. “It was pouring rain, and I saw this telegram in the archive. I ran outside and I stayed under the rain for 15 minutes maybe, opening my hands in the sky, (saying) ‘Thank God I found it.’”

Akcam was finally able to analyze the document after years of sleuthing. Priest Krikor Guerguerian, a survivor of the Armenian genocide, had photographed the original documents at the Armenian Patriarchate in the 1960s and then brought the microfilms to the United States. Akcam eventually gained access to the entire microfilm archive in 2015, thanks to Guerguerian’s nephew, and then began the painstaking task of cataloguing everything.

Akcam doesn’t believe that his discovery will lead to any immediate changes in Turkey’s stance on the issue. For more than a century, the Turkish government has denied that the genocide took place, saying that the Armenian deaths were simply part of the chaos and brutality of the First World War.

And even though many countries around the world, including Canada, have recognized the Armenian genocide, Turkey hasn’t felt enough global pressure, especially from the United States, to do the same, Akcam said.

He hopes the discovery of the damning telegram will change all of that. For decades, U.S. presidents, including Barack Obama and current President Donald Trump, have avoided using the word “genocide” to describe what happened.

“This is like a stone that you throw in the water,” Akcam said. “The waves slowly, slowly come to the shores…The waves will hit sometime.”

Akcam said he hopes to publish Krikor Guerguerian’s microfilm archive, which contains many other important documents, online sometime in the fall.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/smoking...ence-of-armenian-genocide-professor-1.3384214

 

[sangreporsangre]

Hypocritical denial is odiously rooted within you and those who agree with your opinion.

Lmao what? My opinion is that your post was weak, lame, and awkwardly shoehorned into a thread about the Armenian Genocode. Not sure what you think I or anyone who liked my post is in "hypocritical denial" about.

So what's your deal anyway? Are you Turkish? Because a lot of Turks have been known to get butthurt at the mere mention of this genocide. Or are you just a big fan of Cenk? If you're too embarrassed to admit that in an open forum you can pm me your answer and I promise I won't tell anyone.

 

[The ScorpioN]

lets face it. you only care because the armenians are christians.

turkey should admit it but then sgain their founding father of their modern state called the kurds 'mountain turks' lol. maybe the US and europe can set an example and admit their colonization of north and south america was also a genocide.

Very moderate post. I just hope you don't stumble into the wrong mosque.

 

[njinsa]

Lmao what? My opinion is that your post was weak, lame, and awkwardly shoehorned into a thread about the Armenian Genocode. Not sure what you think I or anyone who liked my post is in "hypocritical denial" about.

So what's your deal anyway? Are you Turkish? Because a lot of Turks have been known to get butthurt at the mere mention of this genocide. Or are you just a big fan of Cenk? If you're too embarrassed to admit that in an open forum you can pm me your answer and I promise I won't tell anyone.

Are you that intellectually poor, that you don't realize that I'm pointing out that many of the people who are trying to smear Cenk Uyger don't really have solid moral stances for human lives and human values? They are hating on him because they disagree with him and because he speaks the truth against the politics they support. So they act like they care about the Armenian Genocide, in order to try smearing him.

But if they put an actual effort into finding out the truth, they would realize that Cenk grew significantly as a person. Growing as a person is something that the haters in their intellectual tininess are hardly able to do, since they lack the moral strength, intellectual curiosity and heart for truth.

To answer your question, I am someone who has no history linked to the mentioned genocides whatsoever. So I'm someone who is able to see it from a neutral perspective and therefore am able to judge things as they actually are, while defending the falsely accused.

 

[dontsnitch]

Look I spotted a Cenk fan. A rare sighting, indeed.

 

[Konster]

@lecter hye es axper jan?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Trump is deliberately not calling it "Genocide" , like previous US presidents.

Just shameless on the part of US admins, past and present.

Trump sold himself as anti-establishment and get-tough-on-Islam but here he is avoiding saying "genocide" because he defers to the Turks. What a dam Cuck and backpeddler.

Strange, the guy has no problems saying "Islamic Terrorism" but he won't say "Armenian Genocide"? He's completely random!

 

[Arkain2K]

@Arkain2K what do you think Turkey is ultimately trying to accomplish in your viewpoint?

Nationalism, chaps.

With Erdogan at the helm, every country's commemoration for this genocide gonna be spin into an "racist attack on the Turkish peoole".

 

[lecter]

@lecter hye es axper jan?

k'nerek chem haskanum, inch e sa n shanakum? <45>
tarkmanich em uzum!

 

[MicroBrew]

Strange, the guy has no problems saying "Islamic Terrorism" but he won't say "Armenian Genocide"? He's completely random!

And before becoming president he was against ousting Assad because Assad was keeping a lid on the Islamists and Christians were on the chopping block if the Islamists win, but here he won't stand up for a Christian group . Ofcourse he shouldn't stand up for them because Aremenians are Christian, but Trump ran on a rightwing paleconservative platform , so he should especially stand up for Christians.

 

[Konster]

k'nerek chem haskanum, inch e sa n shanakum? <45>
tarkmanich em uzum!

Lol, es incha tarkmanich ape? My Armenian is VERY limited.

 

[lecter]

Lol, es incha tarkmanich ape? My Armenian is VERY limited.

No I don't speak Armenian at all. Just said I don't understand and need a translator. Never been there either.