Elections Tulsi Gabbard just (informally) announced she is running for President

[Trotsky]

She opposes the war in Syria. How is she hawkish?

She has described herself as a hawk on terrorism issues and a dove on regime change, which is basically what any hawk would say: that they only support use of force when it's necessary. She has said she would continue, and even accelerate, Obama's legacy of drone warfare to take out Middle Eastern terrorists: the same drone warfare that has killed countless innocent people. She's also repeatedly stoked anti-Islamic sentiment and supported racist right-wing candidates abroad. And being a former military officer herself, she also has qualified her supposed anti-intervention on the preservation of American life.

 

[ferrisjso]

Why though? She's not remotely experienced/qualified enough, and would have been significantly less so years ago when you started pushing for her to run. We don't need another goddamn celebrity, we need a statesman/stateswoman, with a lot of proven experience. Not some upstart with a big mouth and questionable ethics and a questionable past. Let her put in the time on the national level, or run a state. Maybe put her in charge of something in the next Dem administration. Patience, ffs.

I've seen a number of posters already put "qualified" in quotes like it's some sort of elitist nonsense. The most important job requires high level qualifications.

She is one of the few who endorsed Bernie. She also publically resigned from the DNC to support Bernie in a very public incident that really stuck in a lot of people's memories as a profile in courage. A lot of people preferred Bernie but she was always the "next time candidate", it appears though that Bernie might have sent Tulsi a message he's not running and to go ahead. Remember she's more qualified than Lincoln! Tulsi is a stateswoman, she's been in Congress a while, a traditionally weak resume but even before Trump it was never disqualifying. The Repubs let Bachman be their frontrunner for a little in 2012 and the reason she lost was because she was Bachman and she said a bunch of crazy shit and made some memes nothing to do with her not being a Senator or Governor.

Honestly "an upstart with a big mouth" is exactly what the left needs. Part of why lots of the neolibs like Biden so much despite his age because he can actually play Trump's game on stage and either draw or win. Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio showed what happens to "statesmen". Instead of Presidents they are doomed to be remembered in history as little Marco and Mr Please Clap.

Part of the consequences of everyone supporting Hillary is a very very small number of elected officials that Bernie people trust. Merkley's most qualified but no one wants him for some reason, never seen a dude so ignored. So Tulsi's kind of the heir apparent to Bernie's leadership title and it's not a matter of whether she's qualified there's just no one in between her and Bernie that can be the candidate. I like Steyer but he's a billionaire how you think that's going to do down amongst the Progressive community as a whole? In neolib land she'd be grotesquely underqualified but they've got a long ass line, topped by a former Vice President and Bernie who's been in Congress longer than i've been alive.

I'm on team qualification. Find treating lack of resume as a plus to be horrific. House members aren't underqualified though in terms of ability(Senators arguably are too if you listen to the Governors talk) so much as they aren't distinguished from the pack cause there's so many of them. Arguably our best President, Lincoln was less qualified than Tulsi with just one single House term.

 

[ferrisjso]

She has described herself as a hawk on terrorism issues and a dove on regime change, which is basically what any hawk would say: that they only support use of force when it's necessary. She has said she would continue, and even accelerate, Obama's legacy of drone warfare to take out Middle Eastern terrorists: the same drone warfare that has killed countless innocent people. She's also repeatedly stoked anti-Islamic sentiment and supported racist right-wing candidates abroad. And being a former military officer herself, she also has qualified her supposed anti-intervention on the preservation of American life.

Tbh given that every President becomes an interventionalist under the pressure of hyper interventionist Washington this shouldn't be a factor as it's the least contrallable thing. If anything the fact she knows what she's doing on foreign policy makes her less vulnerable to the 24/7 neo con harassment that wears most of them down. Most US politicans don't have to focus on foreign policy to win elections so they end up deferring to 'experts", Tulsi will be the first President since 41 who won't really have to do this.

I support drone strikes and support Tulsi's position. My position is "we don't want to go to war but when we do we use drones instead of humans", this technology has allowed us to end the days of the 60s and 00s where tv screens flashed casualty numbers every single day. We should try to mitigate civ casualties any way we can but this innovation is something that it would be iresponsible to ignore as a commander in chief.

The Islamic thing seems to be establishment propaganda and per the right wing regimes, confusing because she is a leftist and her fanclub are largely hardcore leftists. Did she support the Nazi La Pen did she support the guy who wants to destory the rain forests in Brazil, did she support those lunatics in Poland? The Turkish dude, the Phillipino guy who's committing genocide against junkies? Trump's supported all of these who are among the most far right wing major party leaders since the end of WWII. Who has Tulsi supported who's right wing and racist?

What's wrong with that qualification for non intervention? Isn't that why most people are for it? That and spending so much money taking MMT out of the picture something Tusli has also expressed angst over.

 

[scoopj]

Observing the left cannibalize itself itt is so satisfying.

 

[Fawlty]

She is one of the few who endorsed Bernie. She also publically resigned from the DNC to support Bernie in a very public incident that really stuck in a lot of people's memories as a profile in courage. A lot of people preferred Bernie but she was always the "next time candidate", it appears though that Bernie might have sent Tulsi a message he's not running and to go ahead. Remember she's more qualified than Lincoln! Tulsi is a stateswoman, she's been in Congress a while, a traditionally weak resume but even before Trump it was never disqualifying. The Repubs let Bachman be their frontrunner for a little in 2012 and the reason she lost was because she was Bachman and she said a bunch of crazy shit and made some memes nothing to do with her not being a Senator or Governor.

Honestly "an upstart with a big mouth" is exactly what the left needs. Part of why lots of the neolibs like Biden so much despite his age because he can actually play Trump's game on stage and either draw or win. Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio showed what happens to "statesmen". Instead of Presidents they are doomed to be remembered in history as little Marco and Mr Please Clap.

Part of the consequences of everyone supporting Hillary is a very very small number of elected officials that Bernie people trust. Merkley's most qualified but no one wants him for some reason, never seen a dude so ignored. So Tulsi's kind of the heir apparent to Bernie's leadership title and it's not a matter of whether she's qualified there's just no one in between her and Bernie that can be the candidate. I like Steyer but he's a billionaire how you think that's going to do down amongst the Progressive community as a whole? In neolib land she'd be grotesquely underqualified but they've got a long ass line, topped by a former Vice President and Bernie who's been in Congress longer than i've been alive.

I'm on team qualification. Find treating lack of resume as a plus to be horrific. House members aren't underqualified though in terms of ability(Senators arguably are too if you listen to the Governors talk) so much as they aren't distinguished from the pack cause there's so many of them. Arguably our best President, Lincoln was less qualified than Tulsi with just one single House term.

That's a whole lot of nonsense. Bitching about Hillary, listing support for Bernie as a presidential qualification, falsely saying that a pres. candidate needs to get in line (refuted by our last president, duh), and downplaying everything the importance of qualifications for a president other than some vague progressive notion of, well, it's not clear what. The Lincoln comment is particularly ridiculous considering the wildly different political climates they operated in and the difference in how people got into office (and even then, his resume as an unelected political leader was pretty strong during a period absolute chaos).

You definitely do not have to waste paragraphs on me, I will be scrolling past your dogshit rambling posts from now on. You're a babbling fool.

 

[Fawlty]

Observing the left cannibalize itself itt is so satisfying.

All the more reason for Republicans to support Gabbard, I suppose. She's apparently going to be a Trump and Bernie rolled into one...

 

[scoopj]

All the more reason for Republicans to support Gabbard, I suppose. She's apparently going to be a Trump and Bernie rolled into one...

Don’t mind me. It’s still primary season.

 

[Fawlty]

Don’t mind me. It’s still primary season.

It really shouldn't be primary season yet. January 2019 ffs we should still be contemplating whether the eggnog in the back of the fridge is still good.

 

[ferrisjso]

That's a whole lot of nonsense. Bitching about Hillary, listing support for Bernie as a presidential qualification, falsely saying that a pres. candidate needs to get in line (refuted by our last president, duh), and downplaying everything the importance of qualifications for a president other than some vague progressive notion of, well, it's not clear what. The Lincoln comment is particularly ridiculous considering the wildly different political climates they operated in and the difference in how people got into office (and even then, his resume as an unelected political leader was pretty strong during a period absolute chaos).

You definitely do not have to waste paragraphs on me, I will be scrolling past your dogshit rambling posts from now on. You're a babbling fool.

Well yeah if you supported Hillary in the 2020 nominating process especially early on that shows you don't support the progressive agenda and we can't allow the left party to run a right candidate again. Didn't say anything about a line, talking about the left of center community and who they are okay and not okay with voting for.

I mentioned that in previous post. Still goes to show Congresspeople are qualified to be President, just not the most qualified.

I can tell your a Hillary person.

 

[NoDak]

ITT:

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Observing the left cannibalize itself itt is so satisfying.

Unlike the hoardes of hive mind trump ball gobbling Russian bots, we actually have independent thoughts and opinions. Able to disagree and debate each other.

Rightwing bots won't even criticize perverts among their ranks like Roy Moore.

 

[NoDak]

Unlike the hoardes of hive mind trump ball gobbling Russian bots, we actually have independent thoughts and opinions. Able to disagree and debate each other.

Rightwing bots won't even criticize perverts among their ranks like Roy Moore.

It's gotten kind of personal though, Edi.

 

[PEB]

Unlike the hoardes of hive mind trump ball gobbling Russian bots, we actually have independent thoughts and opinions. Able to disagree and debate each other.

Rightwing bots won't even criticize perverts among their ranks like Roy Moore.

It's 7:30 am in Moscow so expect a slew of troll bot posts.

Putin getting ready for his make Russia great again breakfast.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

It's gotten kind of personal though, Edi.

Well I hope he knows it, but i haven't meant anything personal at all against @Jack V Savage in this thread.

 

[ocean size]

That "cult" is the history of one of our states. If was so damming sure the Republicans would have been able to find a picture of Obama wearing that stuff instead of making up conspiracy's about fake birth certificates.

Same with Mormons in Utah or Jews except most people don't really know much about Hawaiian culture cause it's not a cultural thing to the rest of us.

Dude what?. She belongs to a small Hare Krishna splinter group the started like 30 years ago. It isn't common in Hawaii except they own some organic grocery stores. Obama had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying it's that damning but the optics are much different than belonging to a major religion.

 

[SBJJ]

Unlike the hoardes of hive mind trump ball gobbling Russian bots, we actually have independent thoughts and opinions. Able to disagree and debate each other.

Rightwing bots won't even criticize perverts among their ranks like Roy Moore.

Many Trump voters will support Tulsi

It's a shame so many of you still look at it as Repuke and Donkey

You don't even see what is happening in the political landscape and how it's changing

 

[Fawlty]

Dude what?. She belongs to a small Hare Krishna splinter group the started like 30 years ago. It isn't common in Hawaii except they own some organic grocery stores. Obama had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying it's that damning but the optics are much different than belonging to a major religion.

lmao at just how full of fucking shit that guy is.

Really, an important part of Hawaii's cultural history is some fucking guy who went to India and came back to be a guru and lobby against gay marriage?

Jesus Christ lol. The madness around here has no end.

 

[ferrisjso]

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Well, it's why you are so confused

Like you were with the whole half Hindu Half Catholic remarks

You don't actually reason things out. You lash out at things without thinking them through. If you didn't do this you would realize the people you call far right might be even more classically liberal than yourself

"classically liberal" ..... give me a break. Classical liberals are just conservative hipsters trying to be cool. Its pretty fucking pathetic.

You just talk pish

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Don't be. It's because her most public positions align with the Trump brand of foreign policy. The popular part not the Israel and Saudi stuff(and most Democratic voters hate intervention it's the stupid neolibcon's who love it).

She called Trump Saudi Arabia's bitch. She used the word that ain't paraphrasing. It doesn't seem most of them are aware or I doubt most of them would be so supportive.

from what Ive briefly seen today about her she isnt exactly the greatest candidate. She seems to be anti-regime change but has no problem with bombing the shit out of the middle east.

there will be better candidates imo, even though her domestic policies seem solid.