Trump's Travel Ban 2.0

[MicroBrew]

It is if people would pay attention. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not countries we receive the majority of our refugees from. There's not the same need to improve our vetting from these countries.

They are countries where the majority of jihadis came from or got training in. This travel ban is allegedly about protecting the US from jihadis, but the 2 countries most responsible are left out.

 

[bobgeese]

Please stay on topic, this thread is about Trump's new travel ban not Schumer and the old travel ban.

The topic is what happens once these people enter the country. If we were getting all doctors and computer scientists, there would be very little debate.

 

[jimbob27]

The level of Liberal idiocy in these posts is embarrassing

Are you an imbecile? How is my criticism of corrupt Donald putting his businesses ahead of the muslim ban in any way liberal?

 

[Deleted member 196663]

List should be Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan. And when these countries go "but we're friends" Trump could tell them friends don't harbor and produce people who commit attacks on our soil.

lol @ coming up with a list based on 5 seconds of research and poorly formed perceptions. The arrogance...

 

[Quipling]

Thoughts on the ban and changes:

There are three substantive changes:

Removed VISA/Greencard holders
Removed Iraq from the list
Christian Exemption removed

In terms of law, this doesn't actually do much to solve the underlying constitutional problems.

It doesn't do much for the process requirement (although it is better),
It does get rid of one angle for the religious discrimination - it no longer explicitly distinguishes between christians and muslims, but it doesn't do much for the earlier statements. Those are impossible to get around for any form of the bill, though.

It does make getting standing substantially more difficult by eliminating visa holders (which is why washington state was able to intervene).

However, it also undercuts the "need" requirement because the changes also gut the stated purpose of the law. If you want to prevent immediate terror attacks from foreign nationals, then this will not actually do much.

In terms of politics, it's more viable than the previous one. It prevents people from being stranded at airports, and stops fucking over interpreters, which was a source of consternation in the military.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Failed to ban Saudi Arabia? Are you F'ing kidding me? WHAT A JOKE.

Giuliani failed to keep New York safe during his watch, but he definitely now knows all hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan is a huge source of terrorism right now.

This ban is such political theater. This administration is garbage. It doesn't solve anything, but dumb people will fall for the "keeping us safe" BS.

IMPEACH THIS TRAITOR.

Giuliani reduced New Yorks crime by a significant amount.

Between 1990 and 1999, homicide dropped 73 percent, burglary 66 percent, assault 40 percent, robbery 67 percent, and vehicle hoists 73 percent.

 

[Dramovitch]

Giuliani reduced New Yorks crime by a significant amount.

After failing to keep New York Safe ....

Giuliani has collected $11.4 million from speaking fees in a single year (with increased demand after the attacks).[136] Before September 11, Giuliani's assets were estimated to be somewhat less than $2 million, but his net worth could now be as high as 30 times that amount"

Get rich off dead Americans.... TRAITOR

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

After failing to keep New York Safe ....



Get rich off dead Americans.... TRAITOR

Lol @ attacking Giuliani due to speaking fees. Cmon Dramabitch

 

[lfd0311]

Are you an imbecile? How is my criticism of corrupt Donald putting his businesses ahead of the muslim ban in any way liberal?

Because that is part and parcel Liberal Media talking point nonsense. Do you think for yourself even a tiny bit, or just repeat all nonsense you're told to believe?

 

[jimbob27]

Because that is part and parcel Liberal Media talking point nonsense. Do you think for yourself even a tiny bit, or just repeat all nonsense you're told to believe?

Are you special or something? You're the one who attacked me and put me in a group I don't belong because you're following a line of defending Donald no matter what he says or does. I really don't see much of the liberal media criticizing him for not banning enough middle eastern countries, which is what I did in my first post.

 

[lfd0311]

Are you special or something? You're the one who attacked me and put me in a group I don't belong because you're following a line of defending Donald no matter what he says or does. I really don't see much of the liberal media criticizing him for not banning enough middle eastern countries, which is what I did in my first post.

LOOOOL. Where am I defending Trump "No matter what he says or does"?

 

[jimbob27]

LOOOOL. Where am I defending Trump "No matter what he says or does"?

You instantly went into attack mode because you saw somebody say something disparaging about Donald. I assumed you were following the line of his fanatical supporters. What's the alternative? You were just being a dick for the sake of it?

 

[lfd0311]

You instantly went into attack mode because you saw somebody say something disparaging about Donald. I assumed you were following the line of his fanatical supporters. What's the alternative? You were just being a dick for the sake of it?

Uh... No. I laughed at you for repeating Liberal talking points that simply aren't true. They've been very open and honest about where this list of 7 banned countries came from. You probably don't even know what I'm talking about, yet you do know all the go to Liberal talking points.

 

[jimbob27]

I know exactly why 6 of them were there. Iraq was pretty mystifying considering their government was set up by the previous US Republican administration in order to award exxon with their contract to tap the most lucrative oil fields, but I expect Rex Tillerson has now explained this to Donald.

If the ban is really for security reasons, then surely shithole dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and Egypt should be on the list as well. It's very convenient he excluded countries he has business dealings in. Just because your liberal enemies are talking about something, it doesn't mean you can't too.