Economy Trump's April 2nd Tariffs

not only did republicans do that with the 2 bills I mentioned, they did it with the CHIPs and Science Act too.

That one was more bipartisan, at least initially. The greatest piece of industrial tech legislation in any of our lifetimes. In the future, it's going to look really good for Biden that it was passed and signed into law during his term. The origins of it began with the Trump Admin reaching out to Congress for bipartisan, bicameral coordination after he went fucking crazy with FDI restrictions and export controls on China (which Biden continued and even expanded on).

The Dems do get full credit for the massive investments into fundamental research (science for its own sake) that were later rolled into what became a far larger bill. That's where they lost the GOP even though it still cleared 60 Senate votes easily, wasn't a recon bill. You're going to get side-eyed consternation at best from Republicans when it comes to basic research because there's no guarantee of returns on investment. They don't like that. However, they (generally) will support applied science and technology bills that are certified boons to domestic industry and the country's long-term economic growth.
 

Because the stock market going off a cliff negatively affects the average person, but the stock market booming isn't necessarily indicative of how the average person is doing. I've had this argument with liberals talking about Biden's booming economy and telling the rest of us that things are great.

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I simply do not understand the need to constantly shit post if it's not entertaining/fun.
 
It’s all bullshit. China has 3 options:

capitulation
devalue the yuan by 30-40%
Biggest stimulus in global history(also devalue the yuan)

They don’t want this smoke

I don’t bet against China at all. They are our sole adversary in this world. All our focus should be on keeping them in check.
I mean

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i can't wait for china to curbstomp US in this trade war
if you think this is a fight america can win you are smoking some good crack
you think CCP gonna budge to the orange clown? they have 50 ways in their tool box for retaliations.
expect more fentanyl deaths, expect hurting on the US farm market, expect they ignore patents and just sell shit for cheap to other countries and more ip thefts.
expect complete ban of rare earth materials that US need for all the domestic manufacturing in tech and military equipment. which US lack refinery process to produce these for at least years.
expect all the prices to go up for all shit you order online, amazon temu and otherwise
expect 5000 dollars iphones
expect businesses to go bankrupt because they can't find the alternative certain materials that only china provides for their products. when china dominate a lot of products in the supply chain of the entire global market
expect 90 percent of walmart prices to go double in the near future
chinese people can weather this storm far easily than americans. they had a 3 years lockdown and economic depression not long ago and came out survived.
US export account for like 15 percent of Chinese exports, losing the entire US consumer market only affect 3 percent of their GDP. this will hurt but much less than america
both countries can put sanctions on each other and stop trading altogether at this point and china will come up on top. they have the whole world to trade to. their export was on record high in 2024. they already have strong hold on the global south and BRICS. and now on top of that they will have better trade relationships with EU, Canada, Japan, Korea etc developed countries due to Trump being a dumbass and target mass tariffs on every countries. isolating US on the world stage
 
This is brutal man. One man destroying the world and his clown posse cheering it on.

People seem to be under this delusion that the markets will just bounce back lol

This shit gonna take years
 
Knowing @Deorum he is probably talking about national parks and federal land being sold for plunder? who knows.

Nonetheless fuck anyone who voted for Trump, especially in the primaries because the big one is always going to be a toss up because of bipartidism, but the Republican primaries aren't

Public Lands are indeed what I was talking about and it is huge issue because they're interconnected with so many other personal hobbies and interests, as well as the people I share them with. As much as I appreciate the comfort it provides, I derive happiness from things that are worth more to me than money. I'd go as far as to say they are invaluable and priceless. In any case, and as I've told @Islam Imamate off the main, I didn't vote for the guy with the fake elector scheme and tweets suggesting the Constitution should be thrown out, lol. No assumptions or "accusations" to the contrary will make that true.

This is my nation, I live in a border state, and I saw what people attempted to first deny, then deflect, and finally mock with my own eyes. It was completely unacceptable on every conceivable level, and my position is now uncompromising as a result. I believe America is a sovereign nation-state, I support border security and the enforcement of its territorial integrity, I want illegal migrants deported en masse (with a heavy priority placed on violent criminals) and the most robust military force in the world to augment the incredibly challenging work of the USBP and USCG in carrying out its core mandate and purpose of national security.

If that is "fascist!!" then so be it, but it is now majority opinion and Dems will adjust to that or not. A 'bipartisan border bill' in an election year was a little too convenient and on the nose. With that said, I have no posts cheerleading due process violations or finding any enjoyment from the cringe deportation videos the White House has been putting out. The Alien Enemies Act always ends in disgrace.
 
It will be interesting to see if Trump makes a deal or keeps the tariffs in place long term. Saw this editorial where the paper is hoping he makes a deal ~


Start talking trade deals, Mr. President — and end the tariff meltdown


Mr. President, take “yes” for an answer.

On Monday, as the fallout from Liberation Day continued to rile markets, the European Union surrendered.

“We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

That would lower the price of pharmaceuticals, cars and other products that American companies export to the EU.

It’s exactly the sort of agreement that would make President Trump’s tariff wars a success — forcing nations to make better deals for our workers. And if the agreement isn’t perfect, it’s at least a starting point.


But is the administration even answering the phone?


Trump officials are baffling the markets with contradictory messages. Peter Navarro, senior counselor for trade, and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick suggest that these overtures are for naught.

The tariffs are permanent, Lutnick said over the weekend. “This is not a negotiation.”

More reassuringly, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent indicates otherwise. He boasted that more than 70 countries have approached Washington about making a deal, suggesting that, yes, negotiation is the point. Bessent added that next week he will specifically work with Japan on a new trade agreement.

SEE ALSO​



Trump rejects European Union’s ‘zero-for-zero’ tariff resolution to remove industrial fees on US goods: ‘Not looking at that’​


Count Elon Musk as pro-haggling. He enlisted Milton Friedman — via throwback video — to explain how no country is completely self-sufficient.

It is the free market that takes rubber from Malaysia, graphite from South Africa and wood from the United States to create a pencil that is efficient and affordable, Friedman explains.

The president, as is his wont, has played both sides of the debate.

Asked if other countries could avoid the tariffs by agreeing to new trade deals, he said, “That depends. The tariffs give us great power to negotiate. They always have.”

But later, he went online to insist that tariffs were here to stay. “MY POLICIES WILL NEVER CHANGE.” And on Monday, he rejected Europe’s offer out of hand.

That’s because Trump sees tariffs as a money-making opportunity as much as a tool to repair trade imbalances. The cash could be used to pay down the national debt, he promises, even (improbably) replace income taxes!

But sir, the global economy can’t be changed in a day.



The off-shoring of American manufacturing happened over decades, and even if tariffs have their desired effect, it will take years for domestic production to return.

That’s a big “if.” It’s just as likely that blowback from other nations, including China’s tit-for-tat response, hurts American companies abroad, even as imports to the US fall, which won’t much help the federal budget.

SEE ALSO​

Elon Musk

Elon Musk pushes back on Trump tariffs, with help of a pencil and economist Milton Friedman​


In the meantime, the stock market will pummel retirees and the cost of consumer goods will continue to rise — adding to the painful inflation of the Biden years.

We’re on Team Let’s Make a Deal.

Mr. President, you have the world in a panic. Get Ursula on the horn, take the “zero-for-zero” as an opening salvo and ask for more. Put your economic team on doing the same for each of the 50 nations begging for relief.

Or better, rather than take a blunderbuss to the world’s economy, pick your targets carefully. China and Vietnam may be fair game, but why hurt allies as much as economic foes or rivals?

Why not negotiate a free trade zone with the EU, as Musk suggested over the weekend? Why instead drive our allies away from US markets and into the arms of those very same competitors who pose America the greatest threat?

The most immediate benefit will be what Wall Street craves most — specificity and clarity. Show that there’s an upside that doesn’t require two generations and a tractor trailer of wishful thinking.


Second, and most important, you’ve given American workers a win.

And finally, you’ve got a title for your post-term memoir: “Art of the Deal II.”
 
Wrong about what? You realize I'm not trying to pick a fight, right? I was (still am) genuinely confused at what your posts meant.
Cliffs version
Someone called @Jeffy37 poor and he has made at least 6 posts since then pissed off about it, which means that Shedogging is serious business and I find it amusing.
The problem for him/her/they is everyone is aware of if you call @Jeffy37 broke it will shake him, which inevitably leads to more posters calling him poor.
If it’s a bit, then I for one approve.
 
It will be interesting to see if Trump makes a deal or keeps the tariffs in place long term. Saw this editorial where the paper is hoping he makes a deal ~


Start talking trade deals, Mr. President — and end the tariff meltdown


Mr. President, take “yes” for an answer.

On Monday, as the fallout from Liberation Day continued to rile markets, the European Union surrendered.

“We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

That would lower the price of pharmaceuticals, cars and other products that American companies export to the EU.

It’s exactly the sort of agreement that would make President Trump’s tariff wars a success — forcing nations to make better deals for our workers. And if the agreement isn’t perfect, it’s at least a starting point.


But is the administration even answering the phone?


Trump officials are baffling the markets with contradictory messages. Peter Navarro, senior counselor for trade, and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick suggest that these overtures are for naught.

The tariffs are permanent, Lutnick said over the weekend. “This is not a negotiation.”

More reassuringly, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent indicates otherwise. He boasted that more than 70 countries have approached Washington about making a deal, suggesting that, yes, negotiation is the point. Bessent added that next week he will specifically work with Japan on a new trade agreement.

SEE ALSO​



Trump rejects European Union’s ‘zero-for-zero’ tariff resolution to remove industrial fees on US goods: ‘Not looking at that’

Count Elon Musk as pro-haggling. He enlisted Milton Friedman — via throwback video — to explain how no country is completely self-sufficient.

It is the free market that takes rubber from Malaysia, graphite from South Africa and wood from the United States to create a pencil that is efficient and affordable, Friedman explains.

The president, as is his wont, has played both sides of the debate.

Asked if other countries could avoid the tariffs by agreeing to new trade deals, he said, “That depends. The tariffs give us great power to negotiate. They always have.”

But later, he went online to insist that tariffs were here to stay. “MY POLICIES WILL NEVER CHANGE.” And on Monday, he rejected Europe’s offer out of hand.

That’s because Trump sees tariffs as a money-making opportunity as much as a tool to repair trade imbalances. The cash could be used to pay down the national debt, he promises, even (improbably) replace income taxes!

But sir, the global economy can’t be changed in a day.



The off-shoring of American manufacturing happened over decades, and even if tariffs have their desired effect, it will take years for domestic production to return.

That’s a big “if.” It’s just as likely that blowback from other nations, including China’s tit-for-tat response, hurts American companies abroad, even as imports to the US fall, which won’t much help the federal budget.

SEE ALSO​

Elon Musk

Elon Musk pushes back on Trump tariffs, with help of a pencil and economist Milton Friedman

In the meantime, the stock market will pummel retirees and the cost of consumer goods will continue to rise — adding to the painful inflation of the Biden years.

We’re on Team Let’s Make a Deal.

Mr. President, you have the world in a panic. Get Ursula on the horn, take the “zero-for-zero” as an opening salvo and ask for more. Put your economic team on doing the same for each of the 50 nations begging for relief.

Or better, rather than take a blunderbuss to the world’s economy, pick your targets carefully. China and Vietnam may be fair game, but why hurt allies as much as economic foes or rivals?

Why not negotiate a free trade zone with the EU, as Musk suggested over the weekend? Why instead drive our allies away from US markets and into the arms of those very same competitors who pose America the greatest threat?

The most immediate benefit will be what Wall Street craves most — specificity and clarity. Show that there’s an upside that doesn’t require two generations and a tractor trailer of wishful thinking.


Second, and most important, you’ve given American workers a win.

And finally, you’ve got a title for your post-term memoir: “Art of the Deal II.”

There is something missing from that article from the NYP. Please correct me if I am wrong but there seems to be push back on Trump (understandably) but Congress with the Republican majority could stop a lot of this and force Trump to the table, and yet no one brings them up. You have a very small group like Rand Paul saying something but Repubs could stop this or force Trump to move and they will not.

On another note, if the EU and Vietnam both offer zero for zero tariffs what is America doing at this point? Additionally, just because things can be produced in America does not mean they should or will even be successful in other markets.
 
I think the absurd nature of them is extremely easy for the republicans to exploit. Just taking the trans issue head on. All of a sudden a man can be a woman. At no point was anyone raised to believe that so it’s easy to point and say “look how crazy they are”.

Money is broken due to that, unchecked wealth distribution and unchecked money printing.
I mean, the Right accepts a lot of absurd and shit all the time without even a question. How are we supposed to know where you’ll draw the line? ;)
 
Is this true? Jesus fucking Christ….


I heard that earlier. Not sure but wouldn't surprise me
I dunno, this clip has been making the rounds lately. This is Trump spewing the same dumb shit in 1988. It actually makes me wonder if this idiot actually believes this stuff.

 
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