Economy Trump's April 2nd Tariffs

All news agencies around the world front page: Massive starting war causing economic meltdown

Fox News front page: Anti-abortion activists punch a lady in the face

Fox should be destroyed. It is the main cause of stupidity in the country.

It's worse than that. This is the first article they have on the home page regarding the tariffs:


It's okay guys. The shrimpers love the tariffs. I guess Forrest Gump would be a Trump supporter and not just because he's dumb either....
 

Trading Day: Trump tariffs wipe $5 trillion off Wall Street​


By Jamie McGeever

ORLANDO, Florida, April 4 (Reuters) - One of the most pivotal weeks in years - even decades - for the global economy closed on Friday to the sound of the Nasdaq crashing into a bear market as investors fear U.S. President Donald Trump's trade war will tip the world into recession.

Less than 48 hours after Trump raised tariff barriers to the highest in over a century, China on Friday said it would slap additional 34% duties on all U.S. imports, escalating the global trade war to new, dangerous heights.

Any hopes investors had of Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell coming to the rescue by signaling a readiness to cut interest rates - as Trump had appeared to pressure him into doing in a social media post earlier in the day - were dashed, as Powell stressed the "elevated risks" to both growth and inflation.

This 'wait and see' approach rattled Wall Street further - the S&P 500's 6% slump meant the index's market cap plunged $5 trillion in just two days.
The Fed is in a real bind, faced with the rapidly rising risk of recession and soaring price pressures. Treasuries may have been caught between these two stools on Friday, but it is crystal clear where rates traders are putting their money - four rate cuts are fully priced in for this year, starting in June.

However, given the ferocity of the equity market selloff, collapse in confidence and extraordinarily uncertain outlook, it wouldn't be a total shock if the Fed cut rates at its May 6-7 meeting. Indeed, could an inter-meeting move be ruled out if the market rout continues next week?
This is the heaviest slide across global stocks since the pandemic in 2020. But unlike that crash and the Global Financial Crisis in 2008, the current turmoil on Wall Street is a result of clear-headed policy choices made by a government that would have known this kind of outcome was distinctly possible, if not highly likely.

Many analysts reckon this hasn't been seen before. Some of the economic and market numbers that have been seared into investors' consciousness this week haven't been seen for a long time either:

- The highest U.S. tariffs in over 100 years
- Effectively the biggest U.S. tax rise since 1968, according to JP Morgan analysts, who now say a global recession is more likely than not

- $5 trillion of U.S. equity market cap wiped out in two days, bringing the total market cap lost since Trump's inauguration in January to nearly $8 trillion
Economists at Barclays now reckon U.S. inflation will exceed 4% this year while GDP will contract in the fourth quarter, a move "consistent with recession".

The rest of the world won't escape the pain. Economists at Citi say up to one percentage point will be knocked off euro zone growth this year, pushing the bloc to the brink of recession, while China could suffer a similar blow to its GDP growth, which they say was already slowing to sub-5%.

With global demand set to suddenly slow, if not contract, oil prices on Friday slumped more than 6% for a second straight day. Brent crude futures hit a four-year low near $62 a barrel, and are now down 26% from a year ago.

And last, but by no means least, for a brief moment on Friday the benchmark two-year Swiss government bond yield fell below zero. Granted, it is Switzerland, where official rates are just 0.25%. But there aren't many clearer signs that investors are worried.

Markets will be closed at the weekend but the lines of communication between policymakers around the world will very much be open, as governments frantically try to de-escalate the global trade war and central bankers weigh up their policy response. Monday promises to be another rocky ride.

I'd love to hear from you, so please reach out to me with comments at [email protected]. You can also follow me at @ReutersJamie and @reutersjamie.bsky.social.
This Week's Key Market Moves
  • The S&P 500, Nasdaq, Dow and Russell 2000 all suffer their worst week since 2020. Same goes for Japan's Nikkei and European stocks.
  • The Nasdaq is now down more than 20% from its December peak, putting it officially in bear market territory.
  • The Roundhill 'Magnificent Seven' ETF slides 10% for its worst-ever week, and seventh weekly loss in a row. It is now 30% below its December high.
  • High yield U.S. credit spreads start to blow out, pushing above 400 basis points. The next target is around 450 bps from October 2023 then 500 bps from May that year.
  • Oil falls 10%.
  • U.S. chip stocks plunge more than 7%. The Philadelphia semiconductor index is now down 40% from its July all-time high.
  • The VIX 'fear index' of Wall Street volatility leaps to its highest since August 5. Excluding that one day of turmoil fueled by yen carry trade fears, the VIX is at its highest in five years.
Chart of the Week:

A very simple and striking chart this week from Morgan Stanley, showing where U.S. tariffs now stand relative to history. Historic.
What could move markets on Monday?
  • Weekend news from U.S. and other governments on tariffs, and possible statements from central bankers or regulators addressing the market turmoil
  • China FX reserves (March)
https://www.reuters.com/markets/global-markets-trading-day-2025-04-04/
 
It's worse than that. This is the first article they have on the home page regarding the tariffs:


It's okay guys. The shrimpers love the tariffs. I guess Forrest Gump would be a Trump supporter and not just because he's dumb either....

"Excuse me Mr. Trump, I hate to interrupt your facism party."
 
That's the Trump game plan. Create problems, then walk back and claim he solved the problem (ignoring he was tge one who created it). Then his brain dead cult clap like trained seals.
The more charitable reading of events I'v seen is actually somewhat along these lines.

Trump thinks that being genuinely disruptive he puts himself in a stronger position to make deals, to potentially force though something like a return to "allies" currency linked to the dollar again.
 
Trump said any President should resign if the stock market lost more than 1000 points in a day.

It's done that a few times this week, and lost 2200 just yesterday.

MAGA "This is a good thing"


newsmax propagandist benny johnson (or was it the kremlin telling him to do so?) just gave the rubes their marching orders today. he told them that losing your money is a good thing, so just bend over and take it. and like the stupid sacks of shit that they are, they are all going to clap like seals while their wallets get liberated from their money.
 

Ted Cruz warns Trump tariffs could be ‘terrible for America’​

The Texas Republican said he’s heard from carmakers warning they could raise average car prices by $4,500.

BEN LEONARD

04/04/2025, 12:27PM ET

Senate Commerce Chair Ted Cruz is warning about major risks for the American economy and its automotive industry thanks to President Donald Trump’s trade war, saying it could result in the biggest tax hike in a “long, long time.”

“I’m seeing a lot of Republican cheerleaders reflexively defending what the White House is doing,” Cruz said on his podcast Friday, but cautioned the administration’s latest actions could “hurt jobs and hurt America.”

Cruz added he is “not a fan” of tariffs.

The alarm bells from Cruz, a Texas Republican who has called himself Trump’s “strongest supporter” in the Senate, reflects growing unease among Republicans about Trump’s tariff crusade and the impact it could have on prices for consumers and, consequently, the GOP’s political prospects.

Some Republicans have signaled interest in legislation to strengthen Congress’ authority to approve future tariffs after Trump earlier this week unilaterally slapped tariffs between 10 percent and 50 percent on countries across the globe, following through on his promise to impose reciprocal tariffs on foreign trade partners.

Cruz has not signed on as a cosponsor of that bill, nor did he vote Wednesday on a resolution that would end a national emergency Trump used last month to justify tariffs on Canadian products. He also conceded that, if countries back off their tariffs in response to Trump’s moves, that could be “great” and strengthen American agriculture and manufacturing.

He went on to say, however, that if countries respond with reciprocal tariffs — which some like China already have — while Trump’s tariffs remain in place, that could be “terrible for America.”

Cruz continued, “if we’re in a scenario 30 days from now, 60 days from now, 90 days from now, with massive American tariffs, and massive tariffs on American goods in every other country on earth, that is a terrible outcome.”

His comments suggest the dam could be breaking among Republicans on this issue — even among those who consider themselves staunch Trump allies — as the economic and political fallout from the president’s trade war crystallizes.

Cruz, for instance, said Friday he spoke the night before to one of the “Big Three” U.S. automakers — generally considered to be GM, Ford and Chrysler — who said that the tariffs could raise average prices of their cars by $4,500. That could begin as early as June, Cruz said, explaining there’s a lag in the supply chain that means prices wouldn’t rise overnight.

“This U.S. car company told me they actually thought foreign car companies would benefit more than they would, because if you send it over here, you pay one tariff, whereas this guys are getting hit on each part that is going over,” Cruz said.

It could also hurt Republicans in midterm elections: “If we go into a recession — particularly a bad recession — 2026 in all likelihood, politically would be a bloodbath,” he cautioned. “The upside could be massive, but the downside could be massive.”

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/04/congress/don-bacon-tariff-powers-bill-00273307
Ted Cruz will give an interview about that and 5 minutes later, after an Elon call, backtrack on twitter. The kind of POS who should be hated by absolutely both sides of the spectrum
 
The Pelosi tariff video is from from 1996.

If any of they/them would just watch even the first 2 minutes (God forbid the entire speech), they/them would realize
it could have been written last week.

But they/them certainly won't, simply because it might reveal they/them confirmation bias.
The economy is much more globally interlinked than in 1996.

Nobody is saying all Tariffs are bad. Tariffs are still a trade tactic that can be used, but less so than historically.

What is retarded is the way Trump is using them. You only have to look at the asinine way they used balance of trade as a determinant of retaliatory tariffs to know that they have no idea of what they are doing.

The market recognises it.

And yet your still in here smoke screening for this clowncar administration
 
I don't know if I buy this. Even rich people don't want to see the economy tanked. These idiots just thought Trump would cut taxes and regulations and didn't expect him to follow through on his campaign promises for some reason.


Trump has called himself "Mr Brexit" in the past and there's lots of money to be made in a crash.
 
Ted Cruz will give an interview about that and 5 minutes later, after an Elon call, backtrack on twitter. The kind of POS who should be hated by absolutely both sides of the spectrum
I saw that POS the other day talking about all those Reagan and Bush appointed judges that are ruling against Trump being "activist", lol. When Amy Klobuchar had her time Cruz kept interrupting her. When they finally shut him up, he walked out of the hearing like the little bitch he is. He is even a scumbag when you are grading on the political curve.
 


She is talking about how China tried to steal American intellectual property and how unfair their trade practices were, that's a legit issue and an issue that had been addressed since Obama by every administration since then.

That doesn't explains the trade wars with other major trade partners like Canada, Mexico and the EU that do none of the shit the Chinese are doing.
 
Your or you're?

Anyway, I'm curious, do you think the markets have been negatively affected by
the wall to wall onslaught of negative media about Trumps tariffs, yes or no?

When you propose and enact pants on head retarded policies, with "retalitory" tariff amounts incorrectly generated from balance of trade figures showing a less than kindergarten school knowledge of economics, that torpedoes global financial markets, and destroys any confidence in the current administration as economic managers, you can expect negative media.

At no time in the tariff process have they articulated the goals, the plans, the timeframes of what the tariffs are to achieve.
 
I don't know if I buy this. Even rich people don't want to see the economy tanked. These idiots just thought Trump would cut taxes and regulations and didn't expect him to follow through on his campaign promises for some reason.

Nah, there's a reason guys like Musk, Thiel, and Trump eventually found their way into politics. They have a lot more in common than you think. The PayPal Mafia guys. They're so rich they dont care about money anymore specifically. People attached to them might, but they and all the other Yarvin cultists are mostly concerned with legacy, and what they think they want fhe Country to revert to. They parrot many of the exact same grievances as the Afrikaaners did once they lost rule of South Africa, that's not a coincidence.

Yeah but "rich people" isn't a monolith. The folks actually inside the Trump administration and their individual close allies and associates are the only concern; this is a deliberate melting of the economy, social safety rails, national security, everything. The goal isn't for the country to necessarily do better or worse, it's for the people in charge to get what they specifically want, which is more power and money for themselves to the exclusion of everyone else. I can guarantee when Trump gets updates on economic shit, his interest is as deep as his own finances and the people who can still leverage him one way or another. This is how basically every authoritarian government forms, although to be clear this particular flavor seems to be a-historically incompetent in many respects.
Edit: additionally, I think we also need to look more closely at the compartmentalized power within the administration itself. The Project 2025 people, the ones actually running that, have an agenda within the government that is orders of magnitude more deliberate and comprehensive than anything Trump himself could or would personally imagine.

Rich people are definitely not a monolith, but as confidence in Biden waned there were many reports about a lukewarm sort of complacency among Democrat donors. This is due to the fact that the wealthy never think their own personal wealth will be challenged. They know they are of the same class as their ideological opposition. However, if their wealth was to be challenged, market manipulation is definitely one of the best ways to do it without things getting ugly Militarily. Without certain oligarchs finding their way out of windows.
 
Nah, there's a reason guys like Musk, Thiel, and Trump eventually found their way into politics. They have a lot more in common than you think. The PayPal Mafia guys. They're so rich they dont care about money anymore specifically. People attached to them might, but they and all the other Yarvin cultists are mostly concerned with legacy, and what they think they want fhe Country to revert to. They parrot many of the exact same grievances as the Afrikaaners did once they lost rule of South Africa, that's not a coincidence.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...sts-want-trumps-help-to-become-state.4356090/
 


To make America make things again, tariffs are the only option.

America has become addicted to cheap foreign baubles and easy money (i.e., fake fiat currency) at the expense of its long-term economic health. We allowed ourselves to be transformed from a cast iron economy that made things into a largely paper economy that depends on the good graces of foreign nations for its survival. This is a recipe for civilizational suicide.

We don’t make our own weapons, food, machines, vehicles, plastics, medicines, or computers. The whole Covid insanity, with its shutdowns and shortages and supply-chain chaos, was a blaring alarm warning us that the economy we thought was so strong was shockingly fragile.

Imagine a prosperous farmer, now surrounded by enemies and competitors, who, over time, outsourced most farming activities to his neighbors because they could do the work and provide the materials more cheaply than he could. He sold off his equipment and laid off his farmhands because it was just easier and less expensive for others to do the work and maintain the machinery.

But one day, his neighbors said, “No more,” and now he finds himself unable to fertilize his land, plow his fields, or harvest his crops. Even if he had kept his old tractors and implements, he sold off all his welding equipment and spare parts and raw materials, so repairing anything would be impossible. On top of that, he doesn’t remember all that much about repairing the equipment anyway because he hasn’t done it for years.

So now he finds himself in control of once-fertile and productive land that he can’t utilize, and the people he used to rely on for help now refuse to lift a finger because they see an opportunity to bankrupt their old neighbor and business partner, allowing them to buy up all that land for themselves at fire sale prices.

That’s where America is now as a country. We stripped our economy down and sold it for parts, happy to have the cash in our pockets and ignorant of the possibility the good times could ever end.

President Donald Trump has understood these dynamics for decades and is trying to reset our priorities to give us an economy that isn’t built on a foundation of paper. That requires resetting all of our trade relationships and recreating the conditions that built an economy and civilization that together were the envy of the world.

There will, of course, be some short-term pain as part of that process. Muscles must ache before they grow stronger. Addicts have to go through withdrawal before they can come out clean on the other side. In fact, the angry reactions from self-styled “free traders” who have gotten rich off of our leaders mortgaging our country’s long-term economic health for short-term cash resemble the drug dealer enraged that one of his best customers is about to go clean. “You’ll never survive the withdrawal symptoms,” he says. “You want what I’m selling. You need it. You can’t live without it.”

The reality is we cannot survive if we continue to remain addicted to cheap foreign crap. We cannot survive if we are unable to make our own food and medicine and vehicles and weapons and computers. A farmer who is wholly dependent upon his enemies to plow and seed and fertilize and harvest his land is a farmer who will starve. Likewise, a nation that depends entirely on its enemies to power its economy is a nation destined to become history rather than shape it.
 

This is a comically absurd apologist take on the current economic anarchy. The last time we experienced any kind of expansionism rivaling what we would need to sustain global economic hegemony it was done by the Government. This crap cannot bring about that kind of manufacturing base while simultaneously crippling the Federal Government and rescinding the kinds of grants communities need to develop into mamifacturing/education/research hubs. Plus we have crumbling infrastructure that's been neglected for decades. We are in NO position for expansion of this sort.

The private sector has never, ever in US History, sufficiently overseen this kind of development. Even for all of pur worship of Capitalism, our large Federap Government kept us competitive on the global stage through numerous crises.
 
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