Trump: We must "start thinking about" racial profiling

[Cuauhtemoc]

this is such nonsense because it wont happen. we have armed anti-gov militias, who arent every fond of nonwhites, all over the country. weve had our share mass murder based on based race.

But these militias are not killing anybody, plus people with neonazinties do get investigated.

 

[snakedafunky]

this is such nonsense because it wont happen. we have armed anti-gov militias, who arent every fond of nonwhites, all over the country. weve had our share mass murder based on based race.

So would you suggest in order to fight those anti-gov militias we should start with white guys that live in the area in which the militia commits its crimes?
How is that not racial profiling, which is totally fine. If I would live in an area were the KKK or any sort of Neo Nazi group commits crimes. And the cops would stop me an ask some question because I fit the profile I would be fine with that. If its within reason of course, if it helps to stop crimes.

Same with current terrorism it is usually Moslem's, so of course you have to concentrate on Moslem's, if it were IRA terror we should concentrate on Irishmen. Or with serial killers those are usually white guys, no point in concentrating on old Asian woman. Law enforcement usually bases its investigation on past experiences.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Slippery slope to thought policing.

And he didn't say racial profiling, but how do you profile people by the ideology they adhere to? What if they lie?

You can police an ideology to a certain extent. Prevent religious institutions being created, prevent public showings of faith, outlaw clothing associated with the religion, not let people from countries where the religion you don't like is the majority religion, etc. You'll not prevent 100% of people from believing, but you could certainly minimize the presence of a given religion in a nation if you wanted to. Easier if you're starting from a base of that religion not being well established.

 

[Uchi Mata]

How is profiling Muslims wrong? Is it wrong to profile Nazis? How about bikers? gang members? wall street?

Muslims aren't a race, you choose to be associated with a shitty ideology that is blowing stuff up don't be surprised when people take a second look at you for it.

This is my feeling as well. Whether it's a good idea or a bad one to police Islam as a religion in America (or even legal), it IS NOT equivalent to say that Islam is a dangerous ideology vs. I hate Arabs. 'Islamophobia' is a term that seems to be used mostly as a way to preclude the possibility of debate on the left, it is not phobic in any sense to worry about the impact of any ideology that is quintessentially illiberal. You can only have tolerance and pluralism if everyone agrees on the ground rules, and Muslims the world over don't accept the de facto Western position that pluralism is fine as long as you're not hurting anyone else. We've been lucky for the most part in America because our Muslim immigration has mostly consisted of highly educated, largely already Westernized elites, but that's not the case for most of the world and there's no law of nature that makes it inevitable that American should continue to have that sort of immigration and not the sort of ultra conservative, extremely religious inflow that is putting such strain on Europe.

 

[Joe]

So would you suggest in order to fight those anti-gov militias we should start with white guys that live in the area in which the militia commits its crimes?
How is that not racial profiling, which is totally fine. If I would live in an area were the KKK or any sort of Neo Nazi group commits crimes. And the cops would stop me an ask some question because I fit the profile I would be fine with that. If its within reason of course, if it helps to stop crimes.

Same with current terrorism it is usually Moslem's, so of course you have to concentrate on Moslem's, if it were IRA terror we should concentrate on Irishmen. Or with serial killers those are usually white guys, no point in concentrating on old Asian woman. Law enforcement usually bases its investigation on past experiences.

im not suggesting that at all. these people are so stupid they make so many threats that they are already monitored. one guy was arrested for threatening to kill lawmakers just a few months ago. trump doesnt even make sense. what does he mean by profiling? he doesnt even know. like pretty much everything else. or is he just trying to make it sound like he is for racial/religious profiling without saying it. because that would be illegal.

But these militias are not killing anybody, plus people with neonazinties do get investigated.

they are already being investigated. the problem is we dont have enough resources to investigate everybody.

 

[in the]

This is my feeling as well. Whether it's a good idea or a bad one to police Islam as a religion in America (or even legal), it IS NOT equivalent to say that Islam is a dangerous ideology vs. I hate Arabs. 'Islamophobia' is a term that seems to be used mostly as a way to preclude the possibility of debate on the left, it is not phobic in any sense to worry about the impact of any ideology that is quintessentially illiberal. You can only have tolerance and pluralism if everyone agrees on the ground rules, and Muslims the world over don't accept the de facto Western position that pluralism is fine as long as you're not hurting anyone else. We've been lucky for the most part in America because our Muslim immigration has mostly consisted of highly educated, largely already Westernized elites, but that's not the case for most of the world and there's no law of nature that makes it inevitable that American should continue to have that sort of immigration and not the sort of ultra conservative, extremely religious inflow that is putting such strain on Europe.

For the most part, America has done a wonderful job of integrating Muslims, and the Muslims here are usually good workers who don't follow the shittier side of their faith. But we've gotten complacent, and nowhere is this more obvious than in the twin cities (Minneapolis/St.Paul). We lowered the bar and let in a lot of Somalian refugees, and they've brought with them a whole host of issues. One out of every four Americans who try to join ISIS comes from the twin cities.

I think it's stupid to ban all Muslims from entering, emigrating, or becoming refugees in America. We could always use more doctors, more engineers, more people in specialized fields. At the same time, I'm wary of swinging the door open to the Muslim world in general. That's not Islamophobia, that's just paying attention to what's happening in Europe.

Good to see you around, btw.

 

[Philo-Publius]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-after-orlando-racial-profiling-not-the-worst-thing-to-do/



These new-age atheist libruls and all conservatives both agree that Muslims/Islam are not a race, so it's all good, can't have it both ways SJW's.

War Room will miss Trump.

I always vote Republican because I think Democrats are always a bigger disaster. But, I can't in good conscience vote for Donald Trump. Several things he has said indicate he has no respect for the constitution. I think I am voting Libertarian this time.

 

[Phelly2]

how do you know that? i never heard that

https://www.yahoo.com/news/orlando-...another-student-in-high-school-015839725.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ome-say-he-celebrated/?utm_term=.2746626b3681

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taunt-school-bus-former-classmates-claim.html

There's about a million other similar stories.
So according to some classmates, he would make plane noises and pretend he's crashing into buildings to taunt the other kids.
According to one school official, he was suspended for cheering on 9/11.

They said they took him outta class to talk to him, and even had a school psych present. But he showed no remorse and was quite happy that 9/11 took place.

But that was just one of the 15 times he was suspended from high school, of course supporting my opinion that the father was a shitbag. Never mind that the father was a taliban supporter

 

[Pixelated Porn]

This is my feeling as well. Whether it's a good idea or a bad one to police Islam as a religion in America (or even legal), it IS NOT equivalent to say that Islam is a dangerous ideology vs. I hate Arabs. 'Islamophobia' is a term that seems to be used mostly as a way to preclude the possibility of debate on the left, it is not phobic in any sense to worry about the impact of any ideology that is quintessentially illiberal. You can only have tolerance and pluralism if everyone agrees on the ground rules, and Muslims the world over don't accept the de facto Western position that pluralism is fine as long as you're not hurting anyone else. We've been lucky for the most part in America because our Muslim immigration has mostly consisted of highly educated, largely already Westernized elites, but that's not the case for most of the world and there's no law of nature that makes it inevitable that American should continue to have that sort of immigration and not the sort of ultra conservative, extremely religious inflow that is putting such strain on Europe.

I would add that we have a very small percentage of muslim population---but we get 911 and a 48 body kill count in an orlando club

What do you think the % of muslims are in orlando? 5% being more than the highest?

Brussels of what like 20% Muslim

But these militias are not killing anybody, plus people with neonazinties do get investigated.

Right, most are not killing people but they support/allow the percentage that are. They believe the prophet who calls for genocide, the agree with ISIS, they want Sharia.
Go live in a Muslim country for that shit.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I would add that we have a very small percentage of muslim population---but we get 911 and a 48 body kill count in an orlando club

What do you think the % of muslims are in orlando? 5% being more than the highest?

Brussels of what like 20% Muslim



Right, most are not killing people but they support/allow the percentage that are. They believe the prophet who calls for genocide, the agree with ISIS, they want Sharia.
Go live in a Muslim country for that shit.

???

I'm talking about white militias. Fuck Islam lol

 

[djacobox372]

People forget that when the Orlando shooter's parents immigrated from Afghanistan, they were our allies, fighting against the spread of the Soviet Union.

 

[Awesomesauce]

this is such nonsense because it wont happen. we have armed anti-gov militias, who arent every fond of nonwhites, all over the country. weve had our share mass murder based on based race.

When was the last one?

 

[Fawlty]

Everyone profiles, all the time.

Pretending we don't is merely a SJW/Liberal fantasy.

I call this the "apalogy." That's an apologetic analogy, especially one muttered incoherently and out of context.

 

[TodayMaldonadoDiedRIP]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/orlando-...another-student-in-high-school-015839725.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ome-say-he-celebrated/?utm_term=.2746626b3681

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taunt-school-bus-former-classmates-claim.html

There's about a million other similar stories.
So according to some classmates, he would make plane noises and pretend he's crashing into buildings to taunt the other kids.
According to one school official, he was suspended for cheering on 9/11.

They said they took him outta class to talk to him, and even had a school psych present. But he showed no remorse and was quite happy that 9/11 took place.

But that was just one of the 15 times he was suspended from high school, of course supporting my opinion that the father was a shitbag. Never mind that the father was a taliban supporter

Being a taliban supporter doesn't mean you are a bad guy it just might be all you know. Now he is in America and I bet you he loves our freedom or he wouldn't be here. Or maybe he just wants to live a life somewhere he hates... i dont know lol but sounds weird to me.

Taliban I look at like ignorant children. You have to understand how incredibly backwards and stupid these people are, due to over a thousand years of bullshit religion. Im not defending them but I just want to say my gut feeling is the dad seems chill. Omar was obviously a little shit for a long time as evident by his school. I still think Omar was an opportunist and probably a confused homosexual. On CNN this morning, they interviewed a former admitted jihadist who is also a homosexual and how his homosexual tendencies led him to being more religious and to hate homosexuals. He overcame being radical when he studied Islam more and realized his way of thinking was not real Islam. It was a pretty fascinating perspective. If I could find the video I would post it.

 

[TodayMaldonadoDiedRIP]

here is the video with the former jihadist... his desire to cure his homosexuality actually led him to radical islam

 

[TodayMaldonadoDiedRIP]

shit forgot video and i cant edit lol

 

[KILL KILL]

I see it this way, "killer pledged his loyalty multiple times to ISIS and shouted Allahu Akbar as he shot up the gay bar."

I think the guy you posted was right. He was a gay, felt shame, was mentally unstable, and used Islam as an excuse to commit murder. Aside from ISIL, he had also pledged allegiance to Al Nusra, Al Qaeda, and Hezzbolah.

Just for the record, none of these groups get along. It doesn't even make sense.

“First he claimed family connections to Al-Qaeda, then he claimed connections to Hezbollah, which is a Shia organization and a bitter enemy of ISIL,” said Comey. “He said that he hoped law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself.”

https://www.rt.com/usa/346562-fbi-orlando-shooter-islamist-investigation/

Dude was out there for sure.

 

[Uchi Mata]

For the most part, America has done a wonderful job of integrating Muslims, and the Muslims here are usually good workers who don't follow the shittier side of their faith. But we've gotten complacent, and nowhere is this more obvious than in the twin cities (Minneapolis/St.Paul). We lowered the bar and let in a lot of Somalian refugees, and they've brought with them a whole host of issues. One out of every four Americans who try to join ISIS comes from the twin cities.

I think it's stupid to ban all Muslims from entering, emigrating, or becoming refugees in America. We could always use more doctors, more engineers, more people in specialized fields. At the same time, I'm wary of swinging the door open to the Muslim world in general. That's not Islamophobia, that's just paying attention to what's happening in Europe.

Good to see you around, btw.

That's my sense as well. The Twin Cities provide a very obvious and very damning test case for what happens when you have a critical mass of very non-Westernized Muslims concentrated in a relatively small area: they bring their culture, including the very negative aspects, with them and there are enough of them that they don't really have to integrate. I agree that our policy towards Muslim immigration (not that it's historically been distinct from our general immigration policy) is probably fine, I think banning Muslims would be stupid and likely to backfire, but saying so doesn't mean that I don't think that admitting, say, tens of thousands of Syrian refugees should be beyond discussion. As you correctly note it's not Islamophobia to question how those people are going to function coming from Syria to America, and what impact they'll have on the communities in which they're placed. Or if it is, then Islamophobia has no meaning beyond 'critical of one or more aspects of Islam'.

This is a very hard issue for me because in general I sympathize more with the core leftist view that pluralism is generally fine and that freedom also means freedom to retain whatever vestiges of your native culture you want to when you come to America. Having said that, I have come over time to recognize that that mindset is only functional if you're not presented with a culture (note: a culture, not a religion, though the two are obviously intertwined) that rejects pluralism as a value altogether. Taken to an absurd extreme, pluralism in the face of intolerance leads to a state where the pluralists have been destroyed by the now dominant intolerant group simply because they wouldn't take it on themselves to defend their pluralism in the first place. It's similar to passive resistance in the face of a genocidal enemy. Passive resistance only works if the values of your opponent are such that they won't just kill you. If they're happy to kill you, passive resistance just makes it easier because you won't fight back. Well, same thing with cultures. If the people who promote tolerance aren't willing to fight for it in the face of a culture that rejects the idea of tolerance as a positive value, then tolerance will cease to exist as a value because all the people who hold that view will be dead, imprisoned, or forcibly converted.

The left really needs to wake up to the fact that Muslim culture isn't just Western culture with hijabs and prayer calls. Muslim culture (and Sinic culture, and Hindu culture, this isn't unique to Islam, Islam just happens to be the most dangerous) is fundamentally different from Western culture with a fundamentally different value set, one that in many ways is deeply incompatible with the secular classical liberalism of the modern West. Doesn't mean we can't get along with the Muslim world, but to do so we need to view the situation with clear eyes and recognize that our dealings with them will be across a gulf of values that is not going to be bridged via the sort of shared heritage that allowed us to, for example, become very close allies with Britain less than 100 years after fighting multiple wars with them for our own independence.

 

[Space]

I always vote Republican because I think Democrats are always a bigger disaster. But, I can't in good conscience vote for Donald Trump. Several things he has said indicate he has no respect for the constitution. I think I am voting Libertarian this time.

In other words, you're flushing your vote down the toilet and helping Hillary win.

 

[ironwolf]

I see it this way, "killer pledged his loyalty multiple times to ISIS and shouted Allahu Akbar as he shot up the gay bar."

So clearly it's a gun problem.