International Trump/Vance or Zelensky - Who look the worst off in terms of public image by that Oval Office meeting?

[CatchnShoot]

Fuck this format.

 

[CatchnShoot]

If you have to ask, you are retarded/magatarded.

It was absolutely embarrassing from Trump and the vice-boot licker.

 

[Bia]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Accept the reality Ukraine will not win the war and accept a peace deal since they not going to receive free money like the last administration.

 

[ShinkanPo]

I'm just joking around but I do think the UK army is sadly not what it was back then and certainly not in a state for keir to be swinging his dick around without America having his back

Does the UK have many Trans and bi-sexuals ib their army now?

 

[ShinkanPo]

Agreed. But then the British Army was in poor condition at the start of the War, in '39. Much like today's Army, it had suffered years of cutbacks from short-sighted politicians. That's why we got our shit pushed in at Dunkirk. It took over two years for the British Army to be rebuilt to the point it posed a credible threat to the Nazis.

"Before El Alamein we never had a victory. After El Alamein we never had a defeat".
- Churchill.

El Alamein nah.. yan..!

 

[Whippy McGee]

- Zelensky would kick Trum and Vance asses togheter, if he wanted.,

I think Vance will do just fine. I'll take a 6' 2" Marine over a manlet actor any day.

 

[AWilder]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Accept the reality Ukraine will not win the war and accept a peace deal since they not going to receive free money like the last administration.

Russia is only 1,099 days delayed in their 3 day military operation. So ukraine should just surrender.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Accept the reality Ukraine will not win the war and accept a peace deal since they not going to receive free money like the last administration.

Your analogy is fucked.

How, exactly, was Zelensky "biting the hand that feeds him".

 

[Bia]

Russia is only 1,099 days delayed in their 3 day military operation. So ukraine should just surrender.

let see how long they'll last without US military aid

 

[AWilder]

let see how long they'll last without US military aid

Like the zero US aid they had when they repelled the strongest, freshest, best equipped, and most threatening Russian forces in the first weeks of the war?

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

There's definitely some. @CantCucktheTuck ?

Literally just criticized him about the Epstein file release debacle.

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[Crazy Source]

I don't think @KnightTemplar is pro Putin at all tbh.

He is soft and sympathetic towards them.

 

[Bia]

Like the zero US aid they had when they repelled the strongest, freshest, best equipped, and most threatening Russian forces in the first weeks of the war?

fair to say Russia underestimate Ukraine at the time. They have the resource to continue the war, I can't say the same for Ukraine.

 

[rocketskates]

Like the zero US aid they had when they repelled the strongest, freshest, best equipped, and most threatening Russian forces in the first weeks of the war?

We don’t agree politically but you are always decent with me even in disagreement, so I’m gonna give you a little respectful pushback on this comment by saying that withstanding the initial surge (in which Russia underestimated Ukraine) and sustaining defense in a years long war are different animals. I don’t see how Ukraine can keep up the fight without American $$$$.

 

[Siver!]

We don’t agree politically but you are always decent with me even in disagreement, so I’m gonna give you a little respectful pushback on this comment by saying that withstanding the initial surge (in which Russia underestimated Ukraine) and sustaining defense in a years long war are different animals. I don’t see how Ukraine can keep up the fight without American $$$$.

I would suggest Ukraine and Europe might just be ready for four more long, arduous years of defence, and then see what the US election provides.

It's fairly obvious Trump and this administration wish to isolate the United States, but I'm not sure that works in the modern massively-global world. Seems naive, but we'll see.

US Dollars could still bankroll Ukraine, but not for another four years.

Trump's challenge is actually ending the war, which I think he thought might be easier than it's proving. He could still do it, but he's going to have to be more flexible and pander less to Putin. His input isn't that vital with Europe effectively steeled to step in and support collectively.

 

[rocketskates]

I would suggest Ukraine and Europe might just be ready for four more long, arduous years of defence, and then see what the US election provides.

It's fairly obvious Trump and this administration wish to isolate the United States, but I'm not sure that works in the modern massively-global world. Seems naive, but we'll see.

US Dollars could still bankroll Ukraine, but not for another four years.

Trump's challenge is actually ending the war, which I think he thought might be easier than it's proving. He could still do it, but he's going to have to be more flexible and pander less to Putin. His input isn't that vital with Europe effectively steeled to step in and support collectively.

You could be right. I really wish some sort of peace deal could be reached. Not because I’m a fan of Trump, Putin, or Zelenskyy, but more of the longer that his war wages on the greater the possibility of boots on the ground and the greater the chance that the US gets pulled into it other than by proxy.

As a veteran of what I now know to be a stupid war, I don’t want to see my sons pulled into this garbage. Just my 2 cents. Good points in your post though.

 

[AWilder]

We don’t agree politically but you are always decent with me even in disagreement, so I’m gonna give you a little respectful pushback on this comment by saying that withstanding the initial surge (in which Russia underestimated Ukraine) and sustaining defense in a years long war are different animals. I don’t see how Ukraine can keep up the fight without American $$$$.

I think EU and individual countries within the EU have stepped up. I don't know if they can replace US military aid, but they can do a decent job of it and with neighbors like Poland chomping at the bit. US refusing to aid Ukraine will only lead to this war lasting longer.

 

[therealdope]

Has anyone posted Ian Brenner's analysis? I would say this is a fair analysis of the situation. Not to say i agree with some of the revisionist history.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Russia is only 1,099 days delayed in their 3 day military operation. So ukraine should just surrender.

It was never about Ukraine winning. It was always about Russia losing.

For a relatively insignificant sum - probably equivalent to around 1% of America's GDP - Russia has lost nearly 100,000 soldiers. The mighty Bear has been exposed as a toothless paper tiger. They have been reduced to borrowing soldiers from Best Korea. Most of whom were promptly slaughtered.

Russia itself is now a pariah state, it's only real friends other dictatorships such as NK and China. There has also been a significant impact on Russia's economy. And as I said, all that has been achieved cheaply, and without a single American life being lost.

I actually agree with Trump regarding Europe paying it's fair share of defence. NATO has relied on America to do the heavy lifting for far too long. Time they stepped up and realised national defence is not something that can be done on the cheap. But cutting funding to Ukraine and forcing them to sign a peace treaty is fucking stupid. The only winner from that is Putin.