Law Trump-Ukraine Megathread Vol 3.

[SurferH2O]

Just so your point is clear, are you saying that you are against ever investigating anything corrupt that the left does, on the basis that "both sides do it"?

Y/N?

N

The Left at this time is far far far more corrupt, but the Republicans have real issues too.

 

[Darkballs]

The Republicans noted that a prior version of the form published in May 2018 included clear language saying a whistleblower must have first-hand information to be deemed credible.

According to the letter, it stated: “In order to find an urgent concern ‘credible,’ the ICIG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information. The ICIG cannot transmit information via the [Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act] based on an employee’s second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with the ICIG.) Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide sufficient legal basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you think that wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, ICIG will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/am...t-hand-info-requirement-in-whistleblower-form

Are you not reading the replies in your own thread?

You have a direct response from the ICIG on the first page. Read it. It addresses this. TLDR version: It's complete horseshit.

 

[Kuggk]

N

The Left at this time is far far far more corrupt, but the Republicans have real issues too.

How did you determine that?

 

[SurferH2O]

How did you determine that?

Bank accounts (Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Rangel, etc...), and the acts of IRS and DOJ bureaucrats used to attack the Democrats political rivals.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

lol

 

[My2Cents]

Trump asked Ukraine to look into the reasons Joe Biden pressured prosectors to kill the investigation into Hunter Biden. Democrats have taken the position that this was illegal. So the propriety of Hunter Biden's actions are at the center of this shit show, whether ya like it or not.

You fail to understand that Trump was in the wrong for just asking it. Hell if he had asked them to look into who killed Bambi and used the same route/methods he would still be in trouble. There are official routes to take for these kind of things. Why didn’t he take the official one? Because he knew damn well that what he was doing was wrong and for personal political gain only... or do you think all of a sudden he really cared about justice being done??

 

[Trotsky]

lol

 

[My2Cents]

I dont mind the rule change on whistleblowers. It seems that this is a benefit to the people.

As far as impeachment, I'd still rather the Democrats focus on having a candidate that can beat him in an election.

I agree and Biden (innocent or guilty) is maybe to damaged

 

[hillelslovak87]

I agree and Biden (innocent or guilty) is maybe to damaged

Maybe it'll be his impetus to get the fuck out of the race, like he should've decided 2 years ago......

 

[jeffk]

Edit see this is covered a couple posts up.


Probably been covered but the talking point that someone could be a whistleblower only with firsthand knowledge and that was changed in August has been debunked.

The form changed in appearance but not materially.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-s...h-trump-inspector-general-whistleblower-smear

There’s never been a requirement that a whistleblower have firsthand knowledge of what they’re reporting,” said Irvin McCullough, an investigator at the nonprofit Government Accountability Project (and the son of a former IC IG). “They need to have a reasonable belief. The firsthand information is usually gathered by the inspector general, as I believe did occur here.”

 

[AgonyandIrony]

just so everyone's clear you're trying to defend the El Paso shooter's white supremacist motivations at this point in the thread

Lmao this is the dude who counts minorities on daytime tv and thinks all women want to fuck dogs. You expect him to have any class?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Bank accounts (Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, Rangel, etc...), and the acts of IRS and DOJ bureaucrats used to attack the Democrats political rivals.

So basically feelings

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

So?
Big deal. The POTUS doesn't read things carefully enough to understand them.
It's hardly important.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

https://news.google.com/articles/CB...c3RsZWJsb3dlcj9hbXA?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

 

[woodguyatl]

TL;DR, but I’m assuming this mentions that the form to file a complaint was changed DAYS before this whistleblower filed his complaint. The change allowed people to blow the whistle even if they heard the info second-hand, whereas before, the whistleblower was required to obtain the information first-hand.

Disgusting to say the least.

New low for Dems.

The whistleblower statute has always allowed hearsay. That was never changed.

 

[Gandhi]

So the form previously said:

"Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA."

The link says:

"Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern."

I don't know jack shit about US law. Either it's required by statute or it isn't.

Not the form, the form never changed. The guidance to the form said that. And while this guidance paper was given to the whistle blower (I think), it was also ignored by the IG because it’s not what the law says.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

What a thread full of horse shit.

 

[MMAGA]

The inspector general has officially called this fake.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG News/2019/September 30 - Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints/ICIG Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints.pdf

The matter is anti-Trump, therefore, let’s ignore predisposed policies requiring first-hand info!

TDS @ it’s “finest”.

 

[Andy Capp]

I would say predictable low for Dems

Ah, trolls, how much do you suck ass? Let me count the ways.

Right above your post is the proof that this complaint is made up bullshit by the Republicans.