Elections Trump to concentrate migrants in guantanimo bay

[Hog-train]

We already have multiple detention facilities, jails and prisons all over the country that are already being operated. Why would you move them far distances over the sea when you don't have to?

Jails and prisons are already so over capacity we're releasing criminals early. There's no room there.

And why in the world would a prison or jail be more equipped to house migrants than an EXISTING migrant facility specifically built for that purpose? That makes no sense.

And then you have the added complexity of separating the actual prisoners from the migrants.

It doesn't matter how far away the base is, once you bring in boats and planes into the equation the transport costs go from hundreds of dollars to thousands of dollars. Using ordinary domestic transport routes is going to be exponentially cheaper and civilian transport can be used for moving goods and people, also much cheaper.

You're way overstating how much more this would cost.

#1 Why the hell would you transport supplies by plane when it's not that far by ship? That makes no sense.

#2. Ships can carry significantly more cargo than trucks, which can sometimes offset the cost per unit when transporting large volumes.

 

[Sinister]

If someone is caught in Texas, is it cheaper to detain them in Texas, and then ship them back to their home country, or is it cheaper to send them to Cuba, then, ship them back to their home country?

Catch-and-release was always the most fiscally responsible as most find work and contribute to the economy. But now we're going to spend 4x more money because isolationists obsessed with demographic percentages want to prove to the World how mean they can be.

 

[Rational Poster]

Jails and prisons are already over capacity so much we're releasing criminals early.

Why in the world would a prison or jail be more equipped to house migrants than an EXISTING migrant facility specifically built for that purpose? That makes no sense.

And then you have the added complexity of separating the actual prisoners from the migrants.



You're way overstating how much more this would cost.

#1 Why the hell would you transport supplies by plane when it's not that far by ship? That makes no sense.

#2. Ships can carry significantly more cargo than trucks, which can sometimes offset the cost per unit when transporting large volumes.

How do you get cargo to a ship?

I'm not overstating anything, I know exactly how much sea and air cargo costs. I work in the industry. I've been sending freight to Puerto Rico and the Caribbean islands for over a decade.

 

[Croo67]

Given they could very easily have filled out a few forms and come to America legally, all illegal migrants should be treated with suspicion and it is safer to hold them outside of ordinary prisons.

 

[badascan]

Good, break our laws accept the consequences... Pretty simple stuff.

If these criminals want the benefits and freedom the US has forged for itself then go through the path we've developed to afford these things to immigrants. We don't even expect those desiring to benefit from what our forefathers sacrificed for to sacrifice 1/10,000th of what they had to...

 

[Hog-train]

How do you get cargo to a ship?

I'm not overstating anything, I know exactly how much sea and air cargo costs. I work in the industry. I've been sending freight to Puerto Rico and the Caribbean islands for over a decade.

So your solution is to somehow house migrants in our overcrowded prisons and jails instead of an empty migrant facility on Guantanamo.

 

[Koro_11]

Uh oh, the lefties got their panties in a bunch over the treatment of criminals.

I personally like the penal colony idea, except Cuba is too nice... I say send them somewhere to sub Saharan Africa, pay the African nation something that's a bargain for the US, but good money for them, house then in some dungeon where it's like 25 dudes per cell, and give them one meal per day.

This place in Berundi seems nice:

 

[Rational Poster]

So your solution is to somehow house migrants in our overcrowded prisons and jails instead of an empty migrant facility on Guantanamo.

It's not some impossible task, we have one of the most developed countries on earth with many buildings that can be used to temporary house migrants. It's not like they're being captured in massive numbers anyway. They're bragging about catching 10 here or 20 there.

I accept your concessions on the rest.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Meanwhile, a migrant facility (separate from the terrorist facilities) has existed and been used in Guantanamo for decades already.

Trump wants to move 30,000 migrants there. How is that more efficient than keeping them stateside?

 

[DoctorTaco]

How do you get cargo to a ship?

I'm not overstating anything, I know exactly how much sea and air cargo costs. I work in the industry. I've been sending freight to Puerto Rico and the Caribbean islands for over a decade.

Never met an actual rum runner. Very cool

 

[Sinister]

Uh oh, the lefties got their panties in a bunch over the treatment of criminals.

I personally like the penal colony idea, except Cuba is too nice... I say send them somewhere to sub Saharan Africa, pay the African nation something that's a bargain for the US, but good money for them, house then in some dungeon where it's like 25 dudes per cell, and give them one meal per day.

This place in Berundi seems nice:

You want to send people to a dungeon in a part of the World you consider having sub-human standards because they dared to step over an imaginary line in the sand some people wealthier than you'll ever be decided was a real thing.

And somehow, I'm not surprised.

 

[Hog-train]

It's not some impossible task, we have one of the most developed countries on earth with many buildings that can be used to temporary house migrants. It's not like they're being captured in massive numbers anyway. They're bragging about catching 10 here or 20 there.

If they're catching 10 or 20 here and there, they would need separate facilities in each city or town with their own employees and infrastructure. That is much more cost prohibitive than just one place where they're all housed.

I accept your concessions on the rest.

Stop doing this lame tactic. It's played out.

Trump wants to move 30,000 migrants there. How is that more efficient than keeping them stateside?

Because it's more cost efficient to have them all at one place that already has an EXISTING migrant facility. Over creating new infrastructure stateside.

 

[Rational Poster]

If they're catching 10 or 20 here and there, they would need separate facilities in each city or town with their own employees and infrastructure. That is much more cost prohibitive than just one place where they're all housed.



Stop doing this lame tactic. It's played out.



Because it's more cost efficient to have them all at one place that already has an EXISTING migrant facility. Over creating new infrastructure stateside.

You don't think there's buildings in towns and cities across the entire country local to where they're being captured that could be used or are already used? Or at least closer than a ride to Cuba?

 

[Koro_11]

You want to send people to a dungeon in a part of the World you consider having sub-human standards because they dared to step over an imaginary line in the sand some people wealthier than you'll ever be decided was a real thing.

And somehow, I'm not surprised.

LOL @ "imaginary line in the sand".

Ok, well then your front door is just an imaginary line in the stand, you should have no problem with me walking through it and taking a dump on your kitchen counter.

A 2005 account, so you're a grown fucken man talking like some pimple faced kid with a Che Guevara t-shirt.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

you consider having sub-human standards because they dared to step over an imaginary line in the sand

it's not imaginary. it's accurately assigned in the body of law, both domestic and international.

this is yoga teacher level understanding of how the world works.

 

[Hog-train]

You don't think there's buildings in towns and cities across the entire country local to where they're being captured that could be used or are already used? Or at least closer than a ride to Cuba?

Where are all these mythical empty buildings that are suitable for housing large numbers of people in our cities and not owned by private owners or owned by the government.

Even if there are, they'd need to spend money to make them suitable for housing the people.

NY is already billions in the red due to the suddenly bussed in Venezuelans. They resorted to housing them in a midtown Manhattan hotel and took over Randall's Island which is prohibitively expensive.

 

[DoctorTaco]

If they're catching 10 or 20 here and there, they would need separate facilities in each city or town with their own employees and infrastructure. That is much more cost prohibitive than just one place where they're all housed.



Stop doing this lame tactic. It's played out.



Because it's more cost efficient to have them all at one place that already has an EXISTING migrant facility. Over creating new infrastructure stateside.

Then why did we just give Trump $27 billion to build more detention centers?

 

[Domitian]

Liberals think it’s racism to want Mexican and Colombians to have to gain the same approval and show the same documentation that everyone else does when entering America.

They truly are very stupid people.

The same people who think it's a skin color issue when religious zealots are performing terrorist attacks and people don't want them as their neighbors.

 

[Rational Poster]

Where are all these mythical empty buildings that are suitable for housing large numbers of people in our cities and not owned by private owners or owned by the government.

Even if there are, they'd need to spend money to make them suitable for housing the people.

NY is already billions in the red due to the suddenly bussed in Venezuelans resorting to housing them in a midtown Manhattan hotel which is prohibitively expensive.

The one time cost of refurbishing a structure already on our soil in proximity of existing civilian logistics routes is exponentially cheaper than the long term continuous cost of an overseas penal colony.

 

[Rational Poster]

Liberals think it’s racism to want Mexican and Colombians to have to gain the same approval and show the same documentation that everyone else does when entering America.

They truly are very stupid people.

I think most liberals just think they're no use getting upset over spilt milk. They can gain that same approval while already here, we don't have to waste time and resources sending them back especially when we're already dealing with labor shortages and inflation.