Trump Talks Tough Against Iran, But His Political Options Are Limited

[lfd0311]

He just denuclearized Korea, got the remaining Americans released and he got the North to agree to keeping all of the American soldiers in the peninsula.

I'm guessing you wrote that same dumb as fuck comment when he said he would solve Korea months ago.

Get over yourself.

Uh... um... Yu... You're a... YOU'RE A RACIST!!

 

[lfd0311]

Holy sensitive. I can see you believe him.

Let's just hope it's as brilliant as his better+cheaper health care plan and his plan re TPP.

Amazingly butt hurt and nonsensical butt hurt dodge.

 

[lfd0311]

Maybe not deranged, but certainly irrationally angry, and definitely a moron.

The Korea situation is great, but still hilarious as well since, you know, we're now claiming the blatantly self interested and strategic conduct of foreign dictators as our victories. And types like you are using it to somehow maintain your denial that your strongman is a fucking idiot.

But I'm happy as a clam. Foaming derangement is bliss.

I mean.... Weren't dudes like you just claiming Trump was going to get us into a Nuclear War with China over North Korea just last month? You irrational partisan hatred is gettting in the way again....

 

[Trotsky]

Amazingly butt hurt and nonsensical butt hurt dodge.

I didn't realize "butt hurt" was carried over from c. 2010 RPG communities

Anyways, there's certainly no dodge. Trump supposed "plans" have been horrendously ill-prepared and, in the case of the tax plan, just outright bold-faced lies.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Google countries working behind the scenes to fix Tran deal. Should be in the first couple results.

There’s likely a ton of articles, shit npr had a whole segment on it the other day. The guest slapped some sense into the commie host.

Ok:..

Behind the scenes, E3–France, Germany, and the United Kingdom–and U.S. officials continue working on a supplemental arrangement dealing with the “flaws” Trump demanded the Europeans address before the May 12 deadline to renew U.S. sanctions waivers.


In January, Trump called for the limits that expire to be made permanent in a supplemental agreement. But the E3 have stated that they will not agree to measures that would violate or otherwise recast the terms of the 2015 deal

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-02-05/p51-iran-nuclear-deal-alert-february-5-2017

Officials from the United States and the E3 (France, Germany, and the United Kingdom) gathered Jan. 25 in London for a working group meeting to discuss the multilateral nuclear deal with Iran, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)

Rather, Johnson emphasized that while there may be agreement amongst the Europeans to look at Iran’s ballistic missile activity, any action on to constrain the missile program must be done in parallel to the JCPOA and in a way that does not violate the fundamentals of the deal. Johnson’s remarks were consistent with an earlier October statement by the E3 leaders indicating a willingness to address ballistic missiles separate from the deal.
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https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/20...poa-p51-iran-nuclear-deal-alert-april-25-2018

 

[lfd0311]

I didn't realize "butt hurt" was carried over from c. 2010 RPG communities

Anyways, there's certainly no dodge. Trump supposed "plans" have been horrendously ill-prepared and, in the case of the tax plan, just outright bold-faced lies.

You must not have gone over next year's tax plan with your accountant when you got your taxes done last month. It's going to save people like me an incredible amount of money. Sorry your partisan hatred is blinding you to that too. Sorry that you had to change the subject to something else completely to try to gain some measure of a victory and still failed.

 

[bobgeese]

Ok:..

Behind the scenes, E3–France, Germany, and the United Kingdom–and U.S. officials continue working on a supplemental arrangement dealing with the “flaws” Trump demanded the Europeans address before the May 12 deadline to renew U.S. sanctions waivers.


In January, Trump called for the limits that expire to be made permanent in a supplemental agreement. But the E3 have stated that they will not agree to measures that would violate or otherwise recast the terms of the 2015 deal

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-02-05/p51-iran-nuclear-deal-alert-february-5-2017

Officials from the United States and the E3 (France, Germany, and the United Kingdom) gathered Jan. 25 in London for a working group meeting to discuss the multilateral nuclear deal with Iran, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)

Rather, Johnson emphasized that while there may be agreement amongst the Europeans to look at Iran’s ballistic missile activity, any action on to constrain the missile program must be done in parallel to the JCPOA and in a way that does not violate the fundamentals of the deal. Johnson’s remarks were consistent with an earlier October statement by the E3 leaders indicating a willingness to address ballistic missiles separate from the deal.
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https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/20...poa-p51-iran-nuclear-deal-alert-april-25-2018

Well thankfully it’s literally a pinky promise and nothing more. If Trumps National Security team thinks it’s the right move, than pull out. It’s not like this is a legally binding document. Shit, the thing doesn’t even have signatures.

 

[Trotsky]

You must not have gone over next year's tax plan with your accountant when you got your taxes done last month. It's going to save people like me an incredible amount of money. Sorry your partisan hatred is blinding you to that too. Sorry that you had to change the subject to something else completely to try to gain some measure of a victory and still failed.

Shoot, I remember you now. You're the half-wit who doesn't realized how badly he and his kids got fucked in the ass by the GOP tax plan. Oh, and the "lies" I was cited was Trump's "this is going to be bad for me" and "hiking taxes on the rich" and "giving tax breaks to the middle class" shtick, when in actuality the rich got a windfall and the middle class will be paying that back for decades.

Anyways, you wanted to talk about Trump's brilliant execution of his plan re North Korea, right? Can you explain what you believe that plan was? I'd like to have lap up some of the diplomatic wisdom.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

You think maybe it was a bad idea for Obama to have enriched them?

You mean give them back their money that we've been sitting on since the 80's?

 

[lfd0311]

Shoot, I remember you now. You're the half-wit who doesn't realized how badly he and his kids got fucked in the ass by the GOP tax plan. Oh, and the "lies" I was cited was Trump's "this is going to be bad for me" and "hiking taxes on the rich" and "giving tax breaks to the middle class" shtick, when in actuality the rich got a windfall and the middle class will be paying that back for decades.

Anyways, you wanted to talk about Trump's brilliant execution of his plan re North Korea, right? Can you explain what you believe that plan was? I'd like to have lap up some of the diplomatic wisdom.

I don't think we've ever discussed his tax plan. But sure. Explain how this tax plan, that literally gives tons of breaks to the Middle Class, is somehow worse than Obamacare. I'll wait.

His plan is still in action, as of right now. His plan was what it always should have been towards North Korea. Address them from a position of dominance as the preeminent military power in the entire world, instead of constantly going to a tiny backwater Asian country that can't even keep the power on as if it's a Super Power. The real key to this whole issue, which people like you will constantly ignore, is the trade deal with China. Without China and China's growing impaitience with NK, a lot of this isn't happening. But go ahead, hit me up with whatever the current Progressive Liberal talking points are on the blogs these days. I'm sure they're very insightful.

 

[lfd0311]

You mean give them back their money that we've been sitting on since the 80's?

enriched them, yes.

 

[cincymma79]

LOL, yeah, ignore all those numbers.

If it helps you:

10 > 0 - US invaded more countries

26 > 2 - US engaged in more conflicts

But I do have personal insults as well: for instance, you're a fucking moron.

Yup keep going

 

[Fawlty]

He just denuclearized Korea

Oh. How many nukes do they still have?

 

[Trotsky]

I don't think we've ever discussed his tax plan. But sure. Explain how this tax plan, that literally gives tons of breaks to the Middle Class, is somehow worse than Obamacare. I'll wait.

LOL - well, the ACA used a tax on the top 1% to halve the amount of uninsured, improve healthcare coverage quality, and slow healthcare price growth, effectively distributing wealth downward from the upper class and allowing more meaningful workforce participation (the drain on which is perhaps the most insidious non-moral effect of American healthcare).

Meanwhile, the GOP tax plan reversed 6 years of deficit reduction to drastically skyrocket the deficit for huge tax cuts to the rich and a mixed bag of cuts and effective raises on the middle class, on the explicit basis that cuts to social services (those tend to help the poor and middle class more than the rich) would later be cut to offset their fiscal irresponsibility.

His plan is still in action, as of right now. His plan was what it always should have been towards North Korea. Address them from a position of dominance as the preeminent military power in the entire world, instead of constantly going to a tiny backwater Asian country that can't even keep the power on as if it's a Super Power. The real key to this whole issue, which people like you will constantly ignore, is the trade deal with China. Without China and China's growing impaitience with NK, a lot of this isn't happening. But go ahead, hit me up with whatever the current Progressive Liberal talking points are on the blogs these days. I'm sure they're very insightful.

Yeah, so you're admitting there is no demonstrable logic or strategy.

 

[Trotsky]

Oh. How many nukes do they still have?

I chuckle every time I see that ("denuclearized").

Remember when Kennedy denuclearized the Soviet Union? That was crazy.

 

[cincymma79]

I don't think we've ever discussed his tax plan. But sure. Explain how this tax plan, that literally gives tons of breaks to the Middle Class, is somehow worse than Obamacare. I'll wait.

His plan is still in action, as of right now. His plan was what it always should have been towards North Korea. Address them from a position of dominance as the preeminent military power in the entire world, instead of constantly going to a tiny backwater Asian country that can't even keep the power on as if it's a Super Power. The real key to this whole issue, which people like you will constantly ignore, is the trade deal with China. Without China and China's growing impaitience with NK, a lot of this isn't happening. But go ahead, hit me up with whatever the current Progressive Liberal talking points are on the blogs these days. I'm sure they're very insightful.

It’s because they have an expiration date on them. So he’s opposed to making them permanent I guess

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Well thankfully it’s literally a pinky promise and nothing more. If Trumps National Security team thinks it’s the right move, than pull out. It’s not like this is a legally binding document. Shit, the thing doesn’t even have signatures.

Trump national security team advised him not to pull out. McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson. Hey, but if they don't tell you what you want to hear them simply bring in Bolton, Pompeo errr..Haspel.

I'm just surprise he hasn't replaced Mattis yet.

You mean it isn't signed by anyone except the 8 guys that signed it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Signatories

 

[PainIsLIfe]

enriched them, yes.

It was their money that they paid for weapons that we never delivered. We either owe them the weapons or the money.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Oh. How many nukes do they still have?

Defense estimates of 10 to 60

http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-nuclear-missile-number-651034


Edit: Just realized the tone of your question.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

LOL - well, the ACA used a tax on the top 1% to halve the amount of uninsured, improve healthcare coverage quality, and slow healthcare price growth, effectively distributing wealth downward from the upper class and allowing more meaningful workforce participation (the drain on which is perhaps the most insidious non-moral effect of American healthcare).

Meanwhile, the GOP tax plan reversed 6 years of deficit reduction to drastically skyrocket the deficit for huge tax cuts to the rich and a mixed bag of cuts and effective raises on the middle class, on the explicit basis that cuts to social services (those tend to help the poor and middle class more than the rich) would later be cut to offset their fiscal irresponsibility.



Yeah, so you're admitting there is no demonstrable logic or strategy.

Anyone with anything better than shit-tier healthcare was hurt by Obamacare. It honestly hurt the middle class HARD