Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 259 57.8%

  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 125 27.9%

  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 6.3%

  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.0%

  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 18 4.0%
  • Total voters
    448
Khaosan said:
I highly doubt that someone Epstein called his best friend and has known since the 1980s, who’s openly bragged about sexual assault, owes nearly $100 million after being found liable for rape, appears on Epstein’s flight logs, knew about his interest in young girls, has even sexualized his own daughter and is blocking the release of the Epstein list would be on the Epstein list.

Not a chance imo.
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None of what you typed adds up.

We need to just let this go

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Last Samurai said:
I didn't think so, but his recent comments strongly imply that he is hiding something.


It got me thinking about how Trump and Epstein had a falling out in 2007, where Epstein even got banned from visiting Mar-a-Lago. The reason given (by Trump) was that Epstein had tried to recruit an employee of the hotel.

There was no reason to question that story before. But with the way Trump has been acting lately I'm starting to wonder if the real reason they had a falling out was because Epstein tried to blackmail him.
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That's not what actually happened. They had a falling out in 2004 over a mansion called the Maison de l’Amitie. Epstein wanted the property and confided in Trump. Epstein bid $37 million for it, but then Trump swooped in and bid $41 million. Trump ultimately took ownership of the property.

The real estate bubble burst in 2006, and continued to decline in both 2007 and 2008. Despite this, Trump sold the property to a Russian oligarch named Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 million in 2008. Rybolovlev never even moved in, and the property was demolished in 2016. Michael Cohen claimed that although Trump never received proof, Trump himself believed Putin was behind the deal.
 
Neph said:
I agree with you (see my comments above), and I think this puts Trump into the situation where he's exploited this and accused others of being offenders to his own benefit. Trump is in a no win - either it doesn't exist, and he's a scum bag for saying Clinton 'did it', or it does exist, and he won't release it.
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Trump definitely stepped on his dick here. This attempted cover up is the dumbest ever, which makes me think that somebody else is running this particular show. This isn't something you can just Obama/Democrats/yada yada away. The Administration even leaned into it after they had already won, with no interjection from anybody, including Trump. All of a sudden it's "There's no list. There's nothing. Shut up!"...huh?

Not exactly the natural order of things, if you really did want this to go away. Even for the people who hate Trump, it's a rather unorthodox about face considering the path it took, no? If Trump is implicated in a criminal way, he already knew when his DOJ was teasing this shit. I don't know about anybody else, but I would've squashed that shit immediately, once it was no longer useful to me on the campaign trail....and afterwards...

This shit just came out of nowhere. It's all very bizarre and gets the tinfoil going.
 
Soggust said:
Are you trying to suggest that the prior or current Trump admins wouldn’t expose Bill Clinton and other prominent Democrats for being on the Epstein list and they themselves were innocent?

Do you even think that would be a good position if it were true?
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Correct, but that's not actually what I'm saying anyway. I'm telling you there wouldn't be a "list" of :eek::eek::eek::eek:s who are off limits to prosecute that they just keep sitting around the office and handing over to each new administration, and if there was, they would have been in Hillary's backyard with her staffers while they were already wiping servers and smashing phones and computers with hammers and pouring gasoline on them.

Even if you thought he was a pimp selling these girls to customers, that still wouldn't mean he kept a ledger, let alone kept it at his house, then that FBI found it and just kept it sitting around for 20 years. We already know in his first arrest he had enough of a heads up that cameras, computers, and phone lines were ripped out of the wall with just the wires hanging out when police got there, and if he was a mossad agent, that would be who has the incriminating evidence, and they wouldn't just leave it sitting around the premises with the 1 guy.
 
BFoe said:
Nah, I don’t buy that. The only reason the MAGA faithful are having a fit is because this is something Trump himself is doing and his hand-picked administration, so they have to contend with it. If we releases a list, Trump would employ the same defense he is now and always uses—“it’s a Democrat hoax!”—and his supporters would buy it. The narrative would be that all our hoaxes, “lawfare,” and even assassination attempts had failed, we were desperate and in shambles, now we had stooped to smearing Trump as a PDF file. That would be the story, and his supporters would 100% believe it.
Maybe we’d sway some middle of the road type voters, but I don’t even feel certain about that.
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It would have shifted the entire political spectrum. Even Harris would have received a significant boost. I'd bet a sherdog poll would favor my hypothesis
 
Substance Abuse said:


That's my president, that lying, no good, corrupt, criminal sack of shit.
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To be fair, Trump has swollen ankles, wears a catheter, has blood thinner bruises on his hand constantly and forgot he was the one that appointed Jerome Powell. Maybe Dementia was kicking in and was not lying but his sundowning brain forgot.
Biden Sundowning started increasing rapidly, and now Trump is on the same accelerated path. Trump is 79, and fat, whose own father had dementia. Not a great combo for Dementia Donny.
 
Mr Holmes said:
Epstein hung out with the head of the IDF and was gifted the biggest piece of real-estate in Manhattan. I think there's more to it than that.
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Since we had a point of agreement earlier, I'll add to this notion because its bigger than most people think.

If anyone has some spare time and wants to be disgusted at the elevation of a "likeable" p-file, they should look into how Epstein got his money. It's a very interesting clouded history.
 
44nutman said:
To be fair, Trump has swollen ankles, wears a catheter, has blood thinner bruises on his hand constantly and forgot he was the one that appointed Jerome Powell. Maybe Dementia was kicking in and was not lying but his sundowning brain forgot.
Biden Sundowning started increasing rapidly, and now Trump is on the same accelerated path. Trump is 79, and fat, whose own father had dementia. Not a great combo for Dementia Donny.
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A dumb, pathological liar, sex pest, business criminal, narcissist with dementia who's implicated in a massive :eek::eek::eek::eek: ring along with many other of the most powerful people in the country/world and our "justice" system is covering for them.

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And yet people feel the need to make up conspiracies about vaccines and the moon landing and shit
 
AWilder said:
It's amazing how many of these MAGA trumpers suddenly never voted for trump or supported trump.
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Like rats from a sinking ship. Thats why they need a Scarlett Letter.
Also another thing lost in their massive chaos campaign that's not getting mentioned enough.

Remember "Creepy Joe" or when they called Biden an abuser of children for years...
Pac literally made an add painting him as creepy with video of him kissing a child on the head.
Where was @Whippy McGee 's cries for concrete proof, or positive intent then????????

 
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