Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 259 57.8%
  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 125 27.9%
  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 6.3%
  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.0%
  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 18 4.0%

  • Total voters
    448
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Wish i could fully share.

Just put it this way. Energy Taylor was putting out gave me and mostly everyone the creeps. Only the middle aged minded jocks along with one socially inept woman approached him.

It was the first event i learned about the true mindset of Trump supporters.
 
Sorry but she doesn’t get leniency for providing the sex trafficking of minors by giving up people she trafficked girls to, years after already being convicted and serving time.

So 5 years after being arrested she’s now interested in saving girls?

The only way any of that can have any plausible way of being true is if they were already in the Epstein files. And until we get transparency of what evidence they have, in totality, no I won’t change my view.

The whole thing smells of shit and optically it’s fuckin embarrassing. And for you to suggest it’s not currently embarrassing isn’t a good look.

Good post.

Confucamus and Whippy are the epitamy of running defense in bad faith. Any normal person would see what's happening to smell like shit, but it seems totally fine for those two goofs.

As I keep mentioning and they keep ignoring, making a deal with Maxwell is more confirmation that they're trying to hide something because they're not even trying to release the files or subpoena bill barr, Alex Acosta, bondi, patel, les Wexner, bank ceos, etc.

Instead...they're having secret backroom discussions with Maxwell.

Like wtf. No one normal is falling for this farce.
 
Good post.

Confucamus and Whippy are the epitamy of running defense in bad faith. Any normal person would see what's happening to smell like shit, but it seems totally fine for those two goofs.

As I keep mentioning and they keep ignoring, making a deal with Maxwell is more confirmation that they're trying to hide something because they're not even trying to release the files or subpoena bill barr, Alex Acosta, bondi, patel, les Wexner, bank ceos, etc.

Instead...they're having secret backroom discussions with Maxwell.

Like wtf. No one normal is falling for this farce.
And your aforementioned said we were nervous about her tesitifying. Who, @Confucamus name names.
 
You don't know if she's giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

assisting in catching other scumbags in the human sex trafficking business to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view?

Sad.
 
really puts the whole, “Trump picks Matt gaetz” thing into perspective

Congressional investigators found evidence that former Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida regularly paid women for sex; had sex with a 17-year-old, breaking Florida’s statutory rape laws; and frequently used illegal drugs, among other violations of House ethics rules
Oh man there has been so many of them in Trumps orbit that I completely forgot about him.

Seriously, what is the count of pdfs at the tippy top of the maga movement at this point? I lost count.
 
None of you could answer the question, and it was a simple one.

If Maxwell is giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

she is assisting in catching other human sex trafficking scumbags to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

she is giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view of her receiving a pardon?

{<shrug}


Anyone acting like they know Trump is involved in forced sex trafficking of women and children is only guessing, because they want it to be so. That is cult-like. Those who possess an open mind to all probabilities are the rational people. Trump could have abused children, he could have just had willing hookers like Stormy, he could have done none of the above, and only taken flights like so many others. He never made it to the island by all accounts to date. I'm not going to damn someone as a :eek::eek::eek::eek: without evidence. That's the difference. It appears rational and logical thought hurts some of you.
 
None of you could answer the question, and it was a simple one.

If Maxwell is giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

she is assisting in catching other human sex trafficking scumbags to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

she is giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view of her receiving a pardon?

{<shrug}


Anyone acting like they know Trump is involved in forced sex trafficking of women and children is only guessing, because they want it to be so. That is cult-like. Those who possess an open mind to all probabilities are the rational people. Trump could have abused children, he could have just had willing hookers like Stormy, he could have done none of the above, and only taken flights like so many others. He never made it to the island by all accounts to date. I'm not going to damn someone as a :eek::eek::eek::eek: without evidence. That's the difference. It appears rational and logical thought hurts some of you.
Would it change your view of Trump if he was a convicted rapist?
If his best friend was the most notorious child rapist in US history?
If he wished his child rapist best friend's gf/ accomplice well while being convicted of child rape and human trafficking?
If he denied the existence of a list associated with child sex trafficking he later acknowledged existed and that he was on it?
And THEN moved a child sex trafficker who knows all about the list he's one into a cushy prison she's nto even qualified to be in due to the heinsou crimes she's been convicted of?


Or would you try to deflect with hypothetical child rapist redemption fantasies?
 
None of you could answer the question, and it was a simple one.

If Maxwell is giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

she is assisting in catching other human sex trafficking scumbags to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

she is giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view of her receiving a pardon?

{<shrug}


Anyone acting like they know Trump is involved in forced sex trafficking of women and children is only guessing, because they want it to be so. That is cult-like. Those who possess an open mind to all probabilities are the rational people. Trump could have abused children, he could have just had willing hookers like Stormy, he could have done none of the above, and only taken flights like so many others. He never made it to the island by all accounts to date. I'm not going to damn someone as a :eek::eek::eek::eek: without evidence. That's the difference. It appears rational and logical thought hurts some of you.
You're not going to damn someone without evidence lol Maxwell herself was tried and convicted on a mountain of evidence. She is exactly what you claim to hate... but that's not actually the issue. This is pure opportunism and desperation on the part of Trump _and_ his base (you). Your only concern with this issue is how it can be used. This lady actively participated in sexual assault. She is a rapist. She sex trafficked and raped those girls. But if you can use it, well...
 
Literally everyone here has said they'd throw any dem to the wolves if there was any evidence to convict them, and have called for the release of everything, which is nothing more than what Trump himself had promised for months.

at this point, even if I really loved Bill Clinton, even if he had always been like my political hero, I'd happily toss him to the wolves to ensure everyone else on the list really came out. Not even a second thought
 
If any of those are true, would it change your view of her receiving a pardon?
Nope


Anyone acting like they know Trump is involved in forced sex trafficking of women and children is only guessing, because they want it to be so. That is cult-like. Those who possess an open mind to all probabilities are the rational people. Trump could have abused children, he could have just had willing hookers like Stormy, he could have done none of the above, and only taken flights like so many others. He never made it to the island by all accounts to date. I'm not going to damn someone as a :eek::eek::eek::eek: without evidence. That's the difference.

Aren't you doing the same thing when you suggest CIA/Mossad were involved?

and/or

she is giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.
 
You don't know if she's giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

assisting in catching other scumbags in the human sex trafficking business to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view?
Lol. Giving up? I think you mean shutting up.
 
None of you could answer the question, and it was a simple one.

If Maxwell is giving up powerful people and has agreed to testify against them under oath...

and/or

she is assisting in catching other human sex trafficking scumbags to save current women/girls enslaved...

and/or

she is giving up Mossad / CIA operatives who were involved.


If any of those are true, would it change your view of her receiving a pardon?

{<shrug}


Anyone acting like they know Trump is involved in forced sex trafficking of women and children is only guessing, because they want it to be so. That is cult-like. Those who possess an open mind to all probabilities are the rational people. Trump could have abused children, he could have just had willing hookers like Stormy, he could have done none of the above, and only taken flights like so many others. He never made it to the island by all accounts to date. I'm not going to damn someone as a :eek::eek::eek::eek: without evidence. That's the difference. It appears rational and logical thought hurts some of you.
Why would anyone answer this? For one the idea you’re proposing, pardoning her, is absolutely appalling. Kind of disgusting you even went there.

Second, we all know the real reason it’s coming- Trumps using his old buddy to try and clear his name and booking her up with a pardon in return. You know this. Time to stop defending it.
 
Now ask ai how common it is to cut a deal on the same crime they are already serving a sentence for.
Don't move the goalposts. You asked and I answered.

Maxwell is not a jailhouse informant. Nor is she providing assistance about other crimes. She’s providing assistance on the crimes she’s already serving time for.

Post sentencing deals are very rare and certainly rarer for the people leading the criminal enterprise.
How do you know what she is and isn't providing information about? If you have the transcripts, please share. Just think for a second, why would any kind of deal be on the table if she was just re-testifying for something she was already convicted of? Just for the record, since many posters here like to mischaracterize my position, I'm against a full pardon and would only agree to a commutation of her sentence if she provided new information that could help save current and future victims of sex trafficking. There's no situation where making a deal with her isn't ugly.
 
Don't move the goalposts. You asked and I answered.
Lol. You answered the wrong question. Im asking you to answer the right question.

You’re aware she’s not a prison informant, right?
How do you know what she is and isn't providing information about? If you have the transcripts, please share. Just think for a second, why would any kind of deal be on the table if she was just re-testifying for something she was already convicted of?
Good question.
Just for the record, since many posters here like to mischaracterize my position, I'm against a full pardon and would only agree to a commutation of her sentence if she provided new information that could help save current and future victims of sex trafficking. There's no situation where making a deal with her isn't ugly.
How can she provide new information when she’s been in jail for 5 years now? What tangible evidence would she be capable of providing, and why now?

Again, any deal with Maxwell that doesn’t include the release of the entirety of the Epstein files would be a violation of duty by the administration.
 
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