Law Trump palms control of Independent Agencies and passes order declaring only president and AG can interpret US law for executive branch

[Crazy Source]

I agree with almost all your views, but at this point your countries politics are affecting most of the world in one way or another. I've had no choice but to start following more closely.

That's fair, but that's not why he's doing it. He gets affirmation for his shitty behavior and prejudices from it.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Classic gaslighting

Trump does something stupid, people call Trump stupid, cultists say "Is Stupid the new fad word".

I'll take that as a yes.

 

[Whippy McGee]

I know you're looking for a gotcha moment but it's actually pretty complex. There are 2 types of independent agencies, independent regulatory and independent executive. Independent regulatory agencies are outside of the President's power to decide policy because, in many cases, they were created by Congress and granted their policy direction by Congress. Their leaders cannot be removed without cause. Independent executive agencies can have their leaders removed at the President's pleasure and so he has more control over their policy.

So for any agency which was created by Congress and given their rulemaking responsibilities by the Congressional law that created them, those un-elected agency bureaucrats do have the power to decide policy over the President. They are subject to rules set by Congress.

This whole thing is about the gray area surrounding ambiguity in the law, not the underlying policy direction of these agencies.

The whole thing is about whether bureaucrats in the Executive Branch can override the President of the U.S.A.

 

[Rod1]

I'll take that as a yes.

Constitutional crisis isn't a fad word.

Its just Trump causing a Constitutional crisis

 

[panamaican]

The whole thing is about whether bureaucrats in the Executive Branch can override the President of the U.S.A.

So, you didn't read what I wrote and didn't read the executive order.

 

[Whippy McGee]

So, you didn't read what I wrote and didn't read the executive order.

I did...and you wrote a ton of irrelevant crap as you tried to cloud the "whole thing".

 

[Rod1]

I did...and you wrote a ton of irrelevant crap as you tried to cloud the "whole thing".

Let me hear this straight, you think Trump could directly tell the Federal Reserve what to do? including for example creating a lot of money out of thin air and buying a lot of TrumpCoin with it?

 

[Whippy McGee]

Let me hear this straight, you think Trump could directly tell the Federal Reserve what to do? including for example creating a lot of money out of thin air and buying a lot of TrumpCoin with it?

See my previous post in this thread. The first sentence in the last paragraph to be specific.

You're claiming these bureaucrats have some sort of power to make policy against the U.S. President. There is no place in the Constitutional that allows what you're claiming.

Here are the only agencies NOT under the Executive Branch.

Legislative Branch Agencies

• Library of Congress (LOC)
• Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
• Government Accountability Office (GAO)
• Government Publishing Office (GPO)
• Office of Congressional Workplace Rights
• Architect of the Capitol (AOC)
• United States Capitol Police (USCP)

Judicial Branch Agencies

• Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts
• Federal Judicial Center
• United States Sentencing Commission

We can also include the Federal Reserve and Smithsonian as non Executive Branch. Everything else is under the Executive Branch and the U.S. President. You're welcome.

 

[Rod1]

See my previous post in this thread. The first sentence in the last paragraph to be specific.

But according to Trump they are indeed in the executive branch.

 

[filthybliss]

@filthybliss Looks like you missed answering this post. Any update?

Brother, this isn’t the gotcha that you think it is. The executive branch isn’t supposed have direct control over every agency/institution in the country for good reason.

We have a system called checks and balances to avoid centralizing our power and turning into China’s system of governance. It should be a no brainer to understand that bloating the executive branch with even more control is never a good thing.

I don’t wanna hear anything about “unelected” plutocrats from y’all especially since Elon Musk leering at everyones IRS taxpayer data.

 

[Boxiana]

"independent agencies"

Who controls these un-elected bureaucrats? Does this mean these bureaucrats have no oversight?

Congress?

 

[Whippy McGee]

But according to Trump they are indeed in the executive branch.

He's wrong on that one. I gave you the comprehensive list.

I think if we ever did audit the Federal Reserve we'd want to shut it down and replace it with something less corrupt.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Congress?

Congress is only over:

• Library of Congress (LOC)
• Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
• Government Accountability Office (GAO)
• Government Publishing Office (GPO)
• Office of Congressional Workplace Rights
• Architect of the Capitol (AOC)
• United States Capitol Police (USCP)

 

[Witchhunt]

I was hoping you wouldn't further embarrass yourself by replying, but here we are..

The very passage you quoted specifically says that Obama did what HW Bush did before him. So no, by your own reference, this wasnt started nor cemented by the black guy

Had you read earlier posts in the thread, I specifically named GWB.. read the article I posted if you want to stop spewing out of your ass.
Signing statements have been used for decades.

I guess the light here is that you’re acknowledging that what Trump is doing is not out of the ordinary. I’d guess you didn’t care when BHO did it or GWB, but now that it’s Trump it’s the end of the fucking country.
Edit: I’d bet you didn’t even know that anyone had used “signing statements” to expand executive control until today.

FWIW, my little sister was a fucking spaz until she got solid on her monthly’s. There’s hope for you yet, just hang in there.

 

[filthybliss]

He's wrong on that one. I gave you the comprehensive list.

I think if we ever did audit the Federal Reserve we'd want to shut it down and replace it with something less corrupt.

And you think the guy that paid more in Chinese Federal Tax than American Federal Tax is trustworthy for such a job?

 

[Boxiana]

Congress is only over:

• Library of Congress (LOC)
• Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
• Government Accountability Office (GAO)
• Government Publishing Office (GPO)
• Office of Congressional Workplace Rights
• Architect of the Capitol (AOC)
• United States Capitol Police (USCP)

This Wikipedia page has a longer list

Independent agencies of the United States federal government - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Whippy McGee]

And you think the guy that paid more in Chinese Federal Tax than American Federal Tax is trustworthy for such a job?

Thanks for the Logical Fallacy... it's a real debate loser. Do you have anything relevant?

 

[Osculater]

There is some things I want to say on here about the MAGA crowd but I won't because I will most likely get banned. Still cannot believe people think that man and also Musk is for the middle and lower class in this country.

A bunch of shit for brains LOL

 

[Osculater]

Is constitutional crisis the new "Fascist/Hitler" leftist buzzword?

I heard saying Fascist/Hitler is so passé

 

[Hdfi]

Constitutions are just a piece of paper anyway. I'm not sure why so many people take that thing seriously but you only have yourselves to blame for believing in laws and stuff.