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Law Trump palms control of Independent Agencies and passes order declaring only president and AG can interpret US law for executive branch

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Whippy McGee said:
You're claiming these bureaucrats have some sort of power to make policy against the U.S. President. There is no place in the Constitutional that allows what you're claiming.

Here are the only agencies NOT under the Executive Branch.

Legislative Branch Agencies
  • Library of Congress (LOC)
  • Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
  • Government Accountability Office (GAO)
  • Government Publishing Office (GPO)
  • Office of Congressional Workplace Rights
  • Architect of the Capitol (AOC)
  • United States Capitol Police (USCP)
Judicial Branch Agencies
  • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts
  • Federal Judicial Center
  • United States Sentencing Commission

We can also include the Federal Reserve and Smithsonian as non Executive Branch. Everything else is under the Executive Branch and the U.S. President. You're welcome.
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and there it is. trump is in power, has all of the constitutional right he needs and the end. the losers can't comprehend basic facts, they're still being gaslighted into thinking this is "illegitimate," and we are witnessing comedy in the highest form.
 
UberHere said:
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4 years will go by and we’ll rinse and repeat the process over and over again with the nutters crying about the sky falling every time.
Get over yourself.
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Its been one month and they are already doing this, you sounds like all Venezuelan retards who swore that Chavez concentrating power in himself was not really something extraordinary.

There won't be a pendulum swing, they are not going to give up power peacefully either, next election they will just steal the necessary States to win, like they tried in 2020.
 
Witchhunt said:
Ignore the truth.
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I was hoping you wouldn't further embarrass yourself by replying, but here we are..

The very passage you quoted specifically says that Obama did what HW Bush did before him. So no, by your own reference, this wasnt started nor cemented by the black guy.

Whippy McGee said:
Apparently, I know more that you.

Keep crying that un-elected bureaucrats don't get to over ride the President... and I'll keep laughing at you.
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You made up a lie about the Constitution, and are arguing something no one even said. Sure guy, you "know more."

Killer Kadoogan said:
how do you honestly type this shit out with a straight face? you just got owned and put into your place. shut up already and take the L.
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It's not my fault none of you "teh constitutionz" dingbats have ever read, nor accurately cite the Constitution.
 
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Confucamus said:
@filthybliss Looks like you missed answering this post. Any update?
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Its a retarded post there is a reason why agencies need Senate confirmation and why Congress vested these powers unto them.

According to Trumpian logic they could order the Fed to print money and give it to him, because they work for the President and that's the will of the American people.
 
Sinister said:
I dont dispute the legal aspects of what you're saying, we're not very far apart on that. What I'm saying is that context matters. When its happening and who is doing it matters, who funded that person and what they are doing matters. I dont see any sense in hand-waving the words of Musk, an unelected bureaucrat who has been given access to sensitive citizen data as well as classified information, has been issued restraining orders, and is likely currently ignoring them. A private citizen who has fired Federal employees, who just recently claimed that he has nothing to do with DOGE and the Administration attorneys blatantly lied in Court about his role.

Vance is the Vice President, funded by Thiel who is a Yarvin acolyte. The guys who want US dictatorship. And he currently holds the 2nd highest office in the Nation.

The people have every right to be alarmed. And the more alarmed they are in this moment, the better.
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I'm not a Trump fan and I'm pretty open about that. But some of the critiques directed at his current actions go beyond the scope of what he's doing. And these are actions that I generally disagree with.

Musk hasn't fired anyone. Trump fired them. It doesn't matter that Musk was the driving force because every President has had non-elected counselors. Musk being as public facing as he is is probably the biggest difference from the people who backed prior Presidents. I don't like giving Musk access to sensitive data but I haven't seen anything where it's been established that he wasn't granted that access through legal channels. And I've seen the courts respond to legal challenges brought.

I'm not familiar with your third example regarding the private citizen.

My point is that no matter how much I disagree with Trump and Musk and the Project 2025 agenda, and no matter how much I think it will set the country back in things like foreign policy, some of the criticisms are excessive.

This story is, imo, a decent example of it. Trump is using an executive order to require independent agencies to tell him what they're doing before they apply an interpretation of an ambiguous law throughout their agency. But the thing being debated is part of an actual government agency (OIRA) whose job is to review this exact thing, for this exact reason. Moreover, Trump's executive order is not a reversal on a codified law. Instead it's a reversal on another executive order going back to Reagan-era politics.

So Trump is telling an existing agency, that he already has oversight over, how he wants them to handle a duty that they already have to perform. He's not creating a new duty. And the historical precedent that he's reversing is also another executive order, except it's 40 years old.

I think these are bad decisions but I don't think they're the end of democracy level decisions they're portrayed as.
 
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Whippy McGee said:
I'm still curious... what part of the U.S. Constitution grants these un-elected bureaucrats the power to decide policy over a U.S. President?
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I know you're looking for a gotcha moment but it's actually pretty complex. There are 2 types of independent agencies, independent regulatory and independent executive. Independent regulatory agencies are outside of the President's power to decide policy because, in many cases, they were created by Congress and granted their policy direction by Congress. Their leaders cannot be removed without cause. Independent executive agencies can have their leaders removed at the President's pleasure and so he has more control over their policy.

So for any agency which was created by Congress and given their rulemaking responsibilities by the Congressional law that created them, those un-elected agency bureaucrats do have the power to decide policy over the President. They are subject to rules set by Congress.

This whole thing is about the gray area surrounding ambiguity in the law, not the underlying policy direction of these agencies.
 
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Crazy Source said:
@UberHere I guess you're too embarrassed to tell me what country you're from. I don't blame you. I can't imagine investing so much time and effort into another country's politics.
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I agree with almost all your views, but at this point your countries politics are affecting most of the world in one way or another. I've had no choice but to start following more closely.
 
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