International Trump is Truly a Putin Cuck - Russia and Trump Says Ukraine Must Elect a New President as Part of a Peace Deal

[Rational Poster]

Killed or injured make a tremendous difference,and wich injuries, but okay.
Still hardly to believe Russia can mobilize more than 1 million soldiers.

Do you know what the word casualties means?

It means killed or injured.

These figures also do no include loses from mercenary groups like Wagner and others, nor do they include loses of DRP and LRP militias forced into service.

 

[Bwagster]

Hmm

Sounds like the machenations of the antifas, DEI or BLM

Corruption? Sounds like an excuse. Is he murdering journalists that speak out against him and political opponents like Putin?

That is a smokescreen pal, don't be fooled.

I’m no Putin supporter, but they both are going to have to give up things to end this war. Zelinski is corrupt, that’s a fact.

 

[HOLA]

Killed or injured make a tremendous difference,and wich injuries, but okay.
Still hardly to believe Russia can mobilize more than 1 million soldiers.

Why? It’s a giant country with almost 150 million people.
They heavily rely on ethnic minorities from the outskirts of Russia. That way the populations of St. P and Moscow feel relatively unburdened and won’t protest as much.

 

[Crazy Source]

Fun Fact: That's what the entire thing was always about.

No shit, Sherlock. But now the U.S. is trying to rob Ukraine, a supposed ally. Now we are complicit in everything Russia has done to Ukraine to this point.

 

[Badr Hari]

And what if that backfires and they end up to conquer all Ukraine? What can you bring to the table?

Hey bernard hopkins is one of my fav boxers of all time. And you seem like entered this russia ukraine discussion recently with genuine curiosity, i like that you make questions instead of repeating the same talking points pro kremlin posters or defeatists have done for three years now in this forum. As for Russia taking it all there is no chance even if Usa and europe stopped all aid to Ukr. Rus found out in 2022 and paid a prize. Then they reduced their goals to "catch what you can" but have gained not a whole much in all of 2023 and 2024 considering the paid prize. Even without american aid at all Ukr would be able to hold the current line (with minimal deviations) for like a year or two. God damn it, even if Trump convinced all other european countries to stop aid there is a huge river called Dnieper going in the middle of Ukraine which would be a natural barrier and with their own talent the armed forces of Ukraine would make it impassable for the Rus army in worst case scenario.

 

[Crazy Source]

And what if that backfires and they end up to conquer all Ukraine? What can you bring to the table?

What if pigs fly out my ass? Supporting Ukraine in this fight is the right thing to do. They are an ally. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand? You all are so subverted by Russian propaganda is sickening.

 

[b-hop]

What if pigs fly out my ass? Supporting Ukraine in this fight is the right thing to do. They are an ally. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand? You all are so subverted by Russian propaganda is sickening.

That's why is not you leading the country and having to do rational decisions.

 

[Rational Poster]

Hey bernard hopkins is one of my fav boxers of all time. And you seem like entered this russia ukraine discussion recently with genuine curiosity, i like that you make questions instead of repeating the same talking points pro kremlin posters or defeatists have done for three years now in this forum. As for Russia taking it all there is no chance even if Usa and europe stopped all aid to Ukr. Rus found out in 2022 and paid a prize. Then they reduced their goals to "catch what you can" but have gained not a whole much in all of 2023 and 2024 considering the paid prize. Even without american aid at all Ukr would be able to hold the current line (with minimal deviations) for like a year or two. God damn it, even if Trump convinced all other european countries to stop aid there is a huge river called Dnieper going in the middle of Ukraine which would be a natural barrier and with their own talent the armed forced of Ukraine would make it impassable for the Rus army in worst case scenario.

The deployed Ukrainian military is larger the Russia's, by a lot and they have suffered far less. They just need a steady of supply of weapons and the Russians won't be able to do anything.

People trying to pretend that Ukraine is on their last legs or something just haven't been paying attention.

 

[b-hop]

Hey bernard hopkins is one of my fav boxers of all time. And you seem like entered this russia ukraine discussion recently with genuine curiosity, i like that you make questions instead of repeating the same talking points pro kremlin posters or defeatists have done for three years now in this forum. As for Russia taking it all there is no chance even if Usa and europe stopped all aid to Ukr. Rus found out in 2022 and paid a prize. Then they reduced their goals to "catch what you can" but have gained not a whole much in all of 2023 and 2024 considering the paid prize. Even without american aid at all Ukr would be able to hold the current line (with minimal deviations) for like a year or two. God damn it, even if Trump convinced all other european countries to stop aid there is a huge river called Dnieper going in the middle of Ukraine which would be a natural barrier and with their own talent the armed forces of Ukraine would make it impassable for the Rus army in worst case scenario.

in the WW2 Germany also had the momentum against the red army just to the gates of Stalingrad and it was a stalemate for a number of years until they were retreat back to Berlin.
Nothing about this war indicates Russia are losing their momentum, and even doubt Putin is going to want to negotiate with Trump at this moment.

 

[Crazy Source]

That's why is not you leading the country and having to do rational decisions.

I think we've gone as far as we can with this discussion. Have a good night, brother. I appreciate you keeping it respectful. I'll try to return the favor going forward.

 

[joy2day]

I’m no Putin supporter, but they both are going to have to give up things to end this war. Zelinski is corrupt, that’s a fact.

It's actually not a fact and it's not on equal footing. Russia invaded Ukraine, that's the situation. Corrupt or not, that doesn't give Russia the right to invade, kill people and take land. There is no reason Ukraine should give anything up, and it is just enabling Putin to reward him for military aggression, and he's just going to do it again in the future. Ukraine already gave them Crimea after their last invasion (or rather they took it).

I don't know why anyone would think Putin will stop if you allow this. He's had similar military incursions in multiple other places.

 

[HOLA]

in the WW2 Germany also had the momentum against the red army just to the gates of Stalingrad and it was a stalemate for a number of years until they were retreat back to Berlin.
Nothing about this war indicates Russia are losing their momentum, and even doubt Putin is going to want to negotiate with Trump at this moment.

They don’t have any momentum to lose. Russia’s conventional military are a bunch of fucking cans and the videos showing their endless rows of burnt out tanks are a pleasure to watch.

 

[Badr Hari]

The deployed Ukrainian military is larger the Russia's, by a lot and they have suffered far lest. They just need a steady of supply of weapons and the Russians won't be able to do anything.

People trying to pretend that Ukraine is on their last legs or something just haven't been paying attention.

not on their last legs at all, technically and skillwise they have even improved during the time and they are not over spending capacities in bad offensives or defending useless villages at any cost like the opposite side does. If they were on last legs Zelensky wouldn't have caused this diplomatic fury he caused this week. but the supply looks like will be broken and that will favor gradually the russians in the front lines, but then again it won't be a crumble at all, even with broken supplies Rus army has a job to do to finish off Ukraine

 

[Badr Hari]

in the WW2 Germany also had the momentum against the red army just to the gates of Stalingrad and it was a stalemate for a number of years until they were retreat back to Berlin.
Nothing about this war indicates Russia are losing their momentum, and even doubt Putin is going to want to negotiate with Trump at this moment.

Oh they absolutely need a ceasefire ASAP they are exhausted. Trump is Putin's last hope for victory in fact. Putin knows if he makes Trump angry and Ukr continues to be supplied he is going to MUST make a general mobilization and put the entire rus economy on war footing to have any chance at winning and that would cause social unrest within guaranteed

 

[Rational Poster]

They don’t have any momentum to lose. Russia’s conventional military are a bunch of fucking cans and the videos showing their endless rows of burnt out tanks are a pleasure to watch.

There is reasonable speculation that the T-80 is either extinct or nearing extinction based on just analysis with civilian satellite imagery of their storage depots.

 

[HOLA]

It's actually not a fact and it's not on equal footing. Russia invaded Ukraine, that's the situation. Corrupt or not, that doesn't give Russia the right to invade, kill people and take land. There is no reason Ukraine should give anything up, and it is just enabling Putin to reward him for military aggression, and he's just going to do it again in the future. Ukraine already gave them Crimea after their last invasion (or rather they took it).

I don't know why anyone would think Putin will stop if you allow this. He's had similar military incursions in multiple other places.

The bombings in 1999, Beslan School Siege in 2004 and Moscow Theatre attack in 02 were almost certainly real, actual, inside jobs, planned by Putin, to consolidate power. He wants to be remembered like a Peter The Great, a conqueror. He’s already 72 and looks like a bloated, shaking mess lately. Giving in to him now would just embolden a monster who knows the clock is ticking on reaching his goals.

 

[joy2day]

The bombings in 1999, Beslan School Siege in 2004 and Moscow Theatre attack in 02 were almost certainly real, actual, inside jobs, planned by Putin, to consolidate power. He wants to be remembered like a Peter The Great, a conqueror. He’s already 72 and looks like a bloated, shaking mess lately. Giving in to him now would just embolden a monster who knows the clock is ticking on reaching his goals.

Yep. The other thing is every Russian expert has said unconditionally that Putin would not survive in power if they aren't successful in the war in Ukraine. That's one of the main reasons Trump is pushing this to happen- it would rescue Putin from an uncertain future and keep him in power. Trump likes him because they are so alike. Trump would 100% do what Putin does if he could get away with it (and he still might).

 

[Bwagster]

Corruption? Sounds like an excuse. Is he murdering journalists that speak out against him and political opponents like Putin?

That is a smokescreen pal, don't be fooled.

He’s beating Christians.

 

[Bwagster]

It's actually not a fact and it's not on equal footing. Russia invaded Ukraine, that's the situation. Corrupt or not, that doesn't give Russia the right to invade, kill people and take land. There is no reason Ukraine should give anything up, and it is just enabling Putin to reward him for military aggression, and he's just going to do it again in the future. Ukraine already gave them Crimea after their last invasion (or rather they took it).

I don't know why anyone would think Putin will stop if you allow this. He's had similar military incursions in multiple other places.

This never happened on Trump’s watch. If he gets a peace deal done the libs will bitch about something else. The same libs who talked for Hamas. Same old b.s over and over.

 

[joy2day]

This never happened on Trump’s watch. If he gets a peace deal done the libs will bitch about something else. The same libs who talked for Hamas. Same old b.s over and over.

Except it isn't a peace deal if only one side agrees to it.