Trump crying about Stephen Curry... lol

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Yeah, you just saw that I brought a mountain of evidence, neglected to read it, dismissed it, then showed a 2nd grade level of education, while basing your worldview on works by people who could not separate their food from their shit.

Actually I didn't dismiss it. I asked you to pick an argument and discuss it.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Every bit about me not believing adaptation within class is a strawman and you're wasting your time. I believe in adaptation.

You posted a link referring mainly to archaeoptryx which links loosely to a few others if you believe the narrative. Shouldn't there be innumerous transitional fossils? Why do you champion behind archaeoptryx when that should be the rule not the exception? All you did was find a bird with some reptile characteristics or visa versa. Why am I to believe it's in transition? Shouldn't it be a very gradual showing of changes like you suggest.

You went from A to R to Z. What happened to the other 23 letters?

Adaptation is a part of natural selection. Jesus christ.

I'll leave this "narrative" here for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammals
They use these things called citations. You see, citations denote a body of work that the article is using. These bodies of work often contain what is known as "evidence". This evidence is then "peer reviewed" by people in the field as well.

But nope. Despite the fact that if someone was to find a mammal at the time of reptiles, they would be a millionaire, celebrity, and receive countless dollars of financial investment into their work, it's the narrative, the narrative!! That's why it's false, the narrative!!!

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Intellectual toddler noted.

Muh gooooooooooood.

I'm here in defense of my beliefs while you hide behind ad hominem attacks yet I'm the intellectual toddler?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Intellectual toddler noted.

Muh gooooooooooood.

In a sort of backhand way, he admitted he believes in natural selection, without even knowing it. "I believe in adaptation."

Holy shit, I knew my country was/is dumb as fuck, but sheeeeit.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I'm here in defense of my beliefs while you hide behind ad hominem attacks yet I'm the intellectual toddler?

They're not ad hominem, because your stupidity is displayed in your inability to immerse yourself in the evidence, and the facts of natural selection, in favor of a bronze age text in which incredible stupidity is displayed on a page by page basis. Ask yourself, why does my body contain genes of so many other animals and plants?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

1.Adaptation is a part of natural selection. Jesus christ.

I'll leave this "narrative" here for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammals
2. They use these things called citations. You see, citations denote a body of work that the article is using. These bodies of work often contain what is known as "evidence". This evidence is then "peer reviewed" by people in the field as well.

3.But nope. Despite the fact that if someone was to find a mammal at the time of reptiles, they would be a millionaire, celebrity, and receive countless dollars of financial investment into their work, it's the narrative, the narrative!! That's why it's false, the narrative!!!

1. Cool story bro. I never said otherwise

2. Lmao. Show your evidence. Display it here. When I write a link, I copy paste the relative bits. Do you not understand your own argument?

3. Fluff that isn't proof

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

In a sort of backhand way, he admitted he believes in natural selection, without even knowing it. "I believe in adaptation."

Holy shit, I knew my country was/is dumb as fuck, but sheeeeit.

Natural selection isn't mutually exclusive to common ancestry. The thought that if something dies it can't pass on its unique adaptations it may have is inherent

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

They're not ad hominem, because your stupidity is displayed in your inability to immerse yourself in the evidence, and the facts of natural selection, in favor of a bronze age text in which incredible stupidity is displayed on a page by page basis. Ask yourself, why does my body contain genes of so many other animals and plants?

You calling me stupid on every page doesn't make it true. As to your question

I believe all of life was created by the same process so seeing similarities in different living things isn't a surprise

 

[hillelslovak87]

1. Cool story bro. I never said otherwise

2. Lmao. Show your evidence. Display it here. When I write a link, I copy paste the relative bits. Do you not understand your own argument?

3. Fluff that isn't proof

1. So you admit adaptation, the foundation of natural selection is real, yet you dont believe in natural selection. does it put pressure on your skull, the partition you've erected within your head?

2. That page has links to evidence on the evolution of specific body parts. Short of someone handing you video proof of a reptile somehow birthing a mammal, it does not seems as if anything can penetrate your closed cage of a brain.

3. It was an easy question. Since natural selection is bullshit, how have scientists viewed natural selection in real time on the galapagos? Why is our genetic code filled with reptilian and mammal dna? Why are our bodies not too intelligently designed? If intelligent design is the reality, why have 99 percent of all species died out?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Natural selection isn't mutually exclusive to common ancestry. The thought that if something dies it can't pass on its unique adaptations it may have is inherent

Explain this, because it makes absolutely no fucking sense.

You calling me stupid on every page doesn't make it true. As to your question

I believe all of life was created by the same process so seeing similarities in different living things isn't a surprise

You're right, it's your behavior that displays you're an idiot.

By same process, you mean God said "Lion!! There it is!! Whale!! There it is!! Duck!! There it is!!" right?

 

[Bargey]

Will Jr. be blacklisted from visiting the White House?!??

Who's made peaceful protests impossible?

I think that the ability to protest and having a protest that is meaningful, focused and calls to a specific action and result are two different things. This protest is not only unpatriotic and disrespectful, but, worse than that, it has no meaning, no goal, no endgame. I mean I heard frigging Max Kellerman (yes I know he's a joke) talk about how we wanted to change mindsets about social realities and how slavery, yes the legacy of slavery was the root cause of all the evil that the protest is about.

Does anyone realise how disenpowering this ideology ultimately is? Not for white people but for black people. Which is why people like Kellerman and Gregg Popovitch are the biggest racists.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

1. So you admit adaptation, the foundation of natural selection is real, yet you dont believe in natural selection. does it put pressure on your skull, the partition you've erected within your head?

2. That page has links to evidence on the evolution of specific body parts. Short of someone handing you video proof of a reptile somehow birthing a mammal, it does not seems as if anything can penetrate your closed cage of a brain.

3. It was an easy question. Since natural selection is bullshit, how have scientists viewed natural selection in real time on the galapagos?

4. Why is our genetic code filled with reptilian and mammal dna?

5. Why are our bodies not too intelligently designed?

6. If intelligent design is the reality, why have 99 percent of all species died out?

1. Natural selection doesn't rely on macro evolution being true

2. Having similar characteristics doesn't prove one begat the other. One would have to already assume macro evolution is true to come to that conclusion.

3. Never said it was... Natural selection is only observable within a class. Remember the archaeoptryx example that you haven't continued With? A to R to Z. The Galapagos show things go from A to B

4. Define reptilian and mammal DNA. I've already stated I don't find it surprising we share DNA. I believe we were created by the same process so sharing elements of life doesn't seem bizarre at all to me.

5. I believe they are. The complexity of our central nervous system, eyes, and consciousness is ridiculous and to think of how it works in unity

6. You assume they died out rather them adapted. Why?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

1. Explain this, because it makes absolutely no fucking sense.



2. You're right, it's your behavior that displays you're an idiot.

3. By same process, you mean God said "Lion!! There it is!! Whale!! There it is!! Duck!! There it is!!" right?

1. By common ancestry I meant complex animals of today from single celled organisms. Obviously not parent to offspring. You constantly merge the 2 topics. Again for the record I believe in micro evolution or adaptation. I don't believe complex animals seen today came from single celled organisms

2. I get it, you think I'm stupid. You've made that abundantly clear lol

3. I dont presume to know exactly how he did it. You not liking my answer doesn't make it illogical. Is that why you jumped to mocking what I believe rather then showing how your question wasn't the gotcha you thought it was?

 

[hillelslovak87]

1. Natural selection doesn't rely on macro evolution being true

2. Having similar characteristics doesn't prove one begat the other. One would have to already assume macro evolution is true to come to that conclusion.

3. Never said it was... Natural selection is only observable within a class. Remember the archaeoptryx example that you haven't continued With? A to R to Z. The Galapagos show things go from A to B

4. Define reptilian and mammal DNA. I've already stated I don't find it surprising we share DNA. I believe we were created by the same process so sharing elements of life doesn't seem bizarre at all to me.

5. I believe they are. The complexity of our central nervous system, eyes, and consciousness is ridiculous and to think of how it works in unity

6. You assume they died out rather them adapted. Why?

Doesn't rely upon macro evolution? What does that even mean? Macro evolution is a fact, and a part of natural selection. Do you even know what micro and macro evolution are?

If we were all begat (lol) by the same process, mammals and reptiles would have many of the same genetic markers. However, since natural selection is proven to be true, we see mammals with reptile genetic markers, and reptiles without mammal genetic markers. Weird!!



Having similar characteristics that evolved over time to the point in which the species are unrecognizable to each other is easily proven. A reptile does not begat a mammal, samples of reptile populations with distinct genetic markers, within specific environments, adapt and develop different genes in different ways. Over countless generations, they have evolved in enough distinct ways to be consider a new species entirely.The reptile to Therapsid evolution is well known, you just dont care to actually educate yourself on the issue.

Your third example means nothing, as it is just word play with the gaps within the fossil record.

add human anatomy to your docket of things to learn fact 1 about.

Our eyes filter light in a manner that has to flip the picture multiple times, requiring far more energy than other animal's eyes require, and many species can see far better than humans

Our knees are still evolved to walk on all fours, and break down quite easily on bipedal humans

The female pelvis is not very well designed for childbirth

The urinary tract runs through the prostate in males for no reason

We dont really need our tonsils or appendix

We get nasal infections quite easily

Our sinus arrangement is still evolved for us being quadripeds

Our vertebrae are still evolved for us to be quadripeds

Some of us grow tails

Some of us grow way too much hair

We have ear muscles for reticulation that do not really work, that work just fine in our primate cousins

We have goosebumps despite not having bodies covered with hair anymore

We have wisdom teeth

We still have tailbones

The palmaris longus muscle in the arm is not needed, yet around 15% of humans still have it, despite it serving no purpose

Males have nipples

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

1. Doesn't rely upon macro evolution? What does that even mean? Macro evolution is a fact, and a part of natural selection. Do you even know what micro and macro evolution are?

2. If we were all begat (lol) by the same process, mammals and reptiles would have many of the same genetic markers. However, since natural selection is proven to be true, we see mammals with reptile genetic markers, and reptiles without mammal genetic markers. Weird!!


3. Having similar characteristics that evolved over time to the point in which the species are unrecognizable to each other is easily proven. A reptile does not begat a mammal, samples of reptile populations with distinct genetic markers, within specific environments, adapt and develop different genes in different ways. Over countless generations, they have evolved in enough distinct ways to be consider a new species entirely.The reptile to Therapsid evolution is well known, you just dont care to actually educate yourself on the issue.

4. Your third example means nothing, as it is just word play with the gaps within the fossil record.

5. add human anatomy to your docket of things to learn fact 1 about.

6. Our eyes filter light in a manner that has to flip the picture multiple times, requiring far more energy than other animal's eyes require, and many species can see far better than humans

7. Our knees are still evolved to walk on all fours, and break down quite easily on bipedal humans

8. The female pelvis is not very well designed for childbirth

9. The urinary tract runs through the prostate in males for no reason

10. We dont really need our tonsils or appendix

11. We get nasal infections quite easily

12. Our sinus arrangement is still evolved for us being quadripeds

13. Our vertebrae are still evolved for us to be quadripeds

14. Some of us grow tails

15. Some of us grow way too much hair

16. We have ear muscles for reticulation that do not really work, that work just fine in our primate cousins

17. We have goosebumps despite not having bodies covered with hair anymore

18. We have wisdom teeth

19. We still have tailbones

20. The palmaris longus muscle in the arm is not needed, yet around 15% of humans still have it, despite it serving no purpose

Males have nipples

1.Macro evolution meaning what you attempted to show with archaeoptryx. What the hell did you think I meant?

2. What if I suggested reptiles and mammals don't need to be distinguished? Why are some reptiles and fish warm blooded if what you say is true?

3. It is not. Youre talking about change within a species. Show 1 thing becoming a completely different looking thing gradually. Shouldn't every living thing be traceable in this way?

4. The other 2?

5. Lol

6. Yet our brains are supremely capable of this. Hmm terrible design...

7. What makes you say this?

8. It does just fine...

9. Lack of knowledge means no reason? How very scientific of you

10. We don't need a foot either... Are you suggesting they serve no purpose?

11. And?

12. What makes you say that?

13. Why?

14. And?

15. Lol what?

16. Maybe youre wrong about what theyre for

17. Goosebumps serve a purpose

18. And?

19. Lol

20. We dont need a foot but it still serves a purpose lol

 

[hillelslovak87]

1.Macro evolution meaning what you attempted to show with archaeoptryx. What the hell did you think I meant?

2. What if I suggested reptiles and mammals don't need to be distinguished? Why are some reptiles and fish warm blooded if what you say is true?

3. It is not. Youre talking about change within a species. Show 1 thing becoming a completely different looking thing gradually. Shouldn't every living thing be traceable in this way?

I have no idea what you meant, considering you seem to know nothing about the topic in which you speak. there are countless examples of macro evolution and micro evolution. If you actually read the papers and read the evidence, it would be quite clear. But yet, you, the one who knows nothing about natural selection, dismiss it. I bet you truly think that it's everyone else who is being dishonest.

Mammals and reptiles are distinct. If you said otherwise, you would be wrong. There are perfectly simple and elegant explanations as to why some reptiles are still warm blooded, and these explanations are based upon natural selection being a fact. Not revealed truth, truth worked for.

Change within a species? Holy shit, you are incredibly ignorant, and willfully so. When do you think humans needed tails, or gill sacs in the womb, or full coats of hair?

Things dont suddenly become another thing. It is a gradual process taking place upon time scales that are so far above the life cycle of humans, it's not even funny.

 

[MilesAbove]

I came for the silly-billy beta racists deflecting..... but I stayed for the evolution debate.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

I have no idea what you meant, considering you seem to know nothing about the topic in which you speak. there are countless examples of macro evolution and micro evolution. If you actually read the papers and read the evidence, it would be quite clear. But yet, you, the one who knows nothing about natural selection, dismiss it. I bet you truly think that it's everyone else who is being dishonest.

Mammals and reptiles are distinct. If you said otherwise, you would be wrong. There are perfectly simple and elegant explanations as to why some reptiles are still warm blooded, and these explanations are based upon natural selection being a fact. Not revealed truth, truth worked for.

Change within a species? Holy shit, you are incredibly ignorant, and willfully so. When do you think humans needed tails, or gill sacs in the womb, or full coats of hair?

Things dont suddenly become another thing. It is a gradual process taking place upon time scales that are so far above the life cycle of humans, it's not even funny.

You started shotgunning points again. Are you growing tired of the discussion? I edited that post btw

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

I came for the silly-billy beta racists deflecting..... but I stayed for the evolution debate.

I think it's ending. I won't respond to 20 points at a time again. We were discussing back and forth and that killed momentum. I take no issue is discussing this point by point though.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You started shotgunning points again. Are you growing tired of the discussion? I edited that post btw

I addressed the points of your previous post, something you have failed to do with every question and every proof from everyone you have been arguing with in this thread.

Go ahead, compile our argument, make a poll thread here on sherdog, and ask people who of us sounds like an utter moron, incapable of assessing evidence. I dare you.....

You argument is as simple as Steve Harvey's, you just flailed way longer.