Trump crying about Stephen Curry... lol

oleDirtyBast4rd said:
You presume to know when the first mammal existed. You also presume to know when the first reptile existed. You would have to know both of these to determine the Bible lied about any particular order.

I don't believe all living things came from single celled organisms. You're gonna have to use evidence that doesn't base itself on that presupposition. I have no problem with natural selection though for the record

You seem worked up... take a break if you have to. We have A LOT to discuss still unless you intend on bailing.
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Do you want a specific date, accompanied with a video of the birth? Large swaths of animals, at the same time, adapt specific traits and genetic markers. Over time, with changing conditions and adaptation, animals evolve to a point where they are not recognizable in comparison to the species they arose from.

The evolutionary biologists, and people in relative fields trace genetic markers from species to species. They create a sort of roadmap. We do this with mankind's genetics as well, to trace our lineage, and even our genetics. Every single bit of evidence shows genetic markers from reptiles being inherited by animals that eventually, over 10s of millions of years, that became mammals.

I am not accusing the biblical writer of lying. I am accusing the biblical writer of being ignorant of natural selection, geology, genetics, geographic distribution, and a number of other fields that have shown us our place in the tree of life on earth, among many other things.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Do you want a specific date, accompanied with a video of the birth? Large swaths of animals, at the same time, adapt specific traits and genetic markers. Over time, with changing conditions and adaptation, animals evolve to a point where they are not recognizable in comparison to the species they arose from.

The evolutionary biologists, and people in relative fields trace genetic markers from species to species. They create a sort of roadmap. We do this with mankind's genetics as well, to trace our lineage, and even our genetics. Every single bit of evidence shows genetic markers from reptiles being inherited by animals that eventually, over 10s of millions of years, that became mammals.

I am not accusing the biblical writer of lying. I am accusing the biblical writer of being ignorant of natural selection, geology, genetics, geographic distribution, and a number of other fields that have shown us our place in the tree of life on earth, among many other things.
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No, some piece of observable evidence would be nice. I dont think there is a method to date things that haven't left evidence of existence that lingers today. Fossils are the best we have from that long ago but they aren't complete. Showing similar traits is not compelling evidence that one begat the other. You can't prove when the first mammal or reptile existed. How can you prove which came first?
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Do you want a specific date, accompanied with a video of the birth? Large swaths of animals, at the same time, adapt specific traits and genetic markers. Over time, with changing conditions and adaptation, animals evolve to a point where they are not recognizable in comparison to the species they arose from.

The evolutionary biologists, and people in relative fields trace genetic markers from species to species. They create a sort of roadmap. We do this with mankind's genetics as well, to trace our lineage, and even our genetics. Every single bit of evidence shows genetic markers from reptiles being inherited by animals that eventually, over 10s of millions of years, that became mammals.

I am not accusing the biblical writer of lying. I am accusing the biblical writer of being ignorant of natural selection, geology, genetics, geographic distribution, and a number of other fields that have shown us our place in the tree of life on earth, among many other things.
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why?
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
No, some piece of observable evidence would be nice. I dont think there is a method to date things that haven't left evidence of existence. Fossils are the best we have from that long ago but they aren't complete. Showing similar traits is not compelling evidence that one begat the other. You can't prove when the first mammal or reptile existed. How can you prove which came first?
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We have mountains of observable evidence. We have soft tissue matter. We can tell a lot from this matter, and from fossils. You can tell when a organism existed by correlating data from the fossils with the layers of sediment they were in. This is known as archaelogy and geology. Many, many different fields present a picture of evolution through natural selection at play.

Scientists observe evolution in bugs all the time, in birds all the time, in reptiles, all the time. It's not some hypothesis. We are talking a century and a half of inter dependent fields working with the evidence, for the evidence, and doing the hard work. Their work has resulted in a vast collection of verifiable evidence of all kinds.

The scientists, who do the work, have shown with the evidence that reptiles were on earth well before mammals, and mammals evolved from reptiles.

Your seeming need for some sort of video evidence or something is childish and absurd.
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
No, some piece of observable evidence would be nice. I dont think there is a method to date things that haven't left evidence of existence that lingers today. Fossils are the best we have from that long ago but they aren't complete. Showing similar traits is not compelling evidence that one begat the other. You can't prove when the first mammal or reptile existed. How can you prove which came first?
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http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/content.cfm?id=3114

https://source.wustl.edu/2008/05/pl...features-holds-clues-to-evolution-of-mammals/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807134008.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4406946/

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-did-whales-evolve-73276956/

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/p15.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/

https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0624/Feathers-hair-and-scales-Do-they-share-a-common-ancestry

http://anthro.palomar.edu/earlyprimates/time_scale_of_Earth_1.htm

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep25604
 
hillelslovak87 said:
We have mountains of observable evidence. We have soft tissue matter. We can tell a lot from this matter, and from fossils. You can tell when a organism existed by correlating data from the fossils with the layers of sediment they were in. This is known as archaelogy and geology. Many, many different fields present a picture of evolution through natural selection at play.

Scientists observe evolution in bugs all the time, in birds all the time, in reptiles, all the time. It's not some hypothesis. We are talking a century and a half of inter dependent fields working with the evidence, for the evidence, and doing the hard work. Their work has resulted in a vast collection of verifiable evidence of all kinds.

The scientists, who do the work, have shown with the evidence that reptiles were on earth well before mammals, and mammals evolved from reptiles.

Your seeming need for some sort of video evidence or something is childish and absurd.
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Circular reasoning is circular
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Circular reasoning is circular
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The evidence is not. The ignorance is astounding. You have stooped incredibly low in defense of a mythical story, whilst being entirely ignorant of the evidence you disregard.

Mountains of inter dependent evidence from so many fields. So much innovation into our own health from these facts, so many innovations made across many fields based upon this evidence you call circular. It's astounding to me. What has Genesis given us of lasting value? Where is Genesis instructional in the actual scientific work?

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Will Jr. be blacklisted from visiting the White House?!??
 
hillelslovak87 said:
The evidence is not. The ignorance is astounding. You have stooped incredibly low in defense of a mythical story, whilst being entirely ignorant of the evidence you disregard.

Mountains of inter dependent evidence from so many fields. So much innovation into our own health from these facts, so many innovations made across many fields based upon this evidence you call circular. It's astounding to me. What has Genesis given us of lasting value? Where is Genesis instructional in the actual scientific work?

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You: The fossil record shows mammals evolved from reptiles

Me: proof?

You: the fossil record
 
m52nickerson said:
No I'm not claiming that, however that was the original claim. You are shifting the goal posts here, or at least trying to.
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How can evolution make a claim on which came first if the fossil record cannot make such a claim? What evidence is used?
 
hillelslovak87 said:
I am not accusing the biblical writer of lying. I am accusing the biblical writer of being ignorant of natural selection, geology, genetics, geographic distribution, and a number of other fields that have shown us our place in the tree of life on earth, among many other things.
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The book of Job is your friend.
 
m52nickerson said:
No I'm not claiming that, however that was the original claim. You are shifting the goal posts here, or at least trying to.
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Which came first the chicken or the egg? Its not hard, but Evolution can't explain that. Evolution is based on fossil evidence because we don't witness any modern day macro evolution. Also the lack of macro evolution based evidence is suspect as the idea of evolution itself.

The A(theist) religion of science. I want to believe...evolution, if not, aka I'm eternally fubar'd standing before God.
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
How can evolution make a claim on which came first if the fossil record cannot make such a claim? What evidence is used?
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Oh, it can make the claim regarding which came first. Of course that is not what you said in your last post.
 
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