International Trump comes out in support of taking in Afghan refugees

[aries]

islamic terrorism became a big global problem, but especially in western world since 9/11.

things got even worse when isis took over

That's a bit sensationalist. If we take the worse year 2016 that was 135 deaths. Do you know how many people died from car crashes in 2016 in the EU? 26,599. So is Islamic terrorism really a big problem? Obviously, one death is a death too many but Covid has killed a hell of a lot more people than any Islamic terrorist has. 1.2 million deaths in the EU from Covid so far. It puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

Road mobility comes at a high price in terms of lives lost: in 2016, 25 699 persons were killed in road accidents within the EU-28. The steady decrease in the number of fatalities on Europe's roads appears to have come to a standstill in 2013. The aggregate EU-28 figures for 2014 and 2015 showed little change.
Road Safety Statistics EU 2016

 

[Confucamus]

Nobody saw that coming. Nobody.

 

[blaseblah]

Not surprising considering the media is lying to people about Afghanistan. Losing a war is always ugly, like it was in Vietnam. This will be irrelevant in few months and probably historically be the best thing any president has done in the past 20 years.

 

[AWilder]

I bet he wouldnt say this if he was still president

he wouldn't have pulled out. No guts. It was a 20 year problem in the making. There was going to be a shit show no matter what. Biden grossly miscalculated how bad things really were in Afghanistan. Pretty inexcusable way to pull out of the country, imo. But also glad it was done.

 

[AWilder]

Not surprising considering the media is lying to people about Afghanistan. Losing a war is always ugly, like it was in Vietnam. This will be irrelevant in few months and probably historically be the best thing any president has done in the past 20 years.

the irony of your post about "the media" lying and you believing a rassmussen poll, el oh el

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Not surprising considering the media is lying to people about Afghanistan. Losing a war is always ugly, like it was in Vietnam. This will be irrelevant in few months and probably historically be the best thing any president has done in the past 20 years.

I can't tell anymore.
Is this meant to be ironic?

 

[Squarechoke]

what point did you make exactly?

the reality is at that time a group of terrorists who made al qeada look moderate took control over two countries in middle east and was calling on their sympathizers to wage jihad and commit terrorist attacks all over the world and that's exactly what happened.

ppl weren't used to seeing religious fanatics strap suicide vests and go on a suicide missions targeting civilians in public places. it was a new reality.

so again it was pretty understandable why some were hesitant taking refugees from those regions.

I didn't make a point, I corrected someone's facts. If I would have made a point I would have stated it clearly.

 

[Topguntrophey]

All of the presidents and congress are to blame on this one over the last 20 years. Its not like Vietnam didn't happen where lessons could have been learned. But alas, trillions had to trillion. And we'll forget about the people left there soon enough.

As for Trump, if he has room on his golf courses, take them all in. Thats a common cry I hear about homeless, etc.

 

[blaseblah]

the irony of your post about "the media" lying and you believing a rassmussen poll, el oh el

I don't necessarily believe a Rassmussen poll. However I've seen quite a lot of criticism online directed at Biden. A lot of ignorant people who don't understand how war works or were delusional in thinking we could withdraw without the Taliban taking over or are outraged about the fate of women and children. These people exist.

This poll even if accurate means little in the grand scope of things. I'm sure if you polled Trump voters immediately after January 6th a significant number would regret their vote.

 

[grimballer]

That's a bit sensationalist. If we take the worse year 2016 that was 135 deaths. Do you know how many people died from car crashes in 2016 in the EU? 26,599. So is Islamic terrorism really a big problem? Obviously, one death is a death too many but Covid has killed a hell of a lot more people than any Islamic terrorist has. 1.2 million deaths in the EU from Covid so far. It puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

Road mobility comes at a high price in terms of lives lost: in 2016, 25 699 persons were killed in road accidents within the EU-28. The steady decrease in the number of fatalities on Europe's roads appears to have come to a standstill in 2013. The aggregate EU-28 figures for 2014 and 2015 showed little change.
Road Safety Statistics EU 2016

no, sensationalism is all the talk about white supremacy and white supremacy terror groups, or how january 6 was worse attack on us since 9/11.

rise of islamic terrorism (especially since 9/11 and isis years) is a reality and it increased exponentially. also with internet and social media it was much easier for these groups to recruit new ppl

 

[blaseblah]

I can't tell anymore.
Is this meant to be ironic?

Leaving Afghanistan is the best thing any president has done in the past 20 years. Something that Obama and Trump both promised to get elected but didn't have the balls to do once in office and caved to the establishment. The quickness with which the fake government we set up and poured billions of dollars into collapsed only goes to show it was the right course of action. I don't think there's ever been as pathetic an attempt at nation building.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

911 happened and then we dropped bombs on them for 20 years. What else do people want? We tried to give them democracy and theTaliban still end up on top. We could force them at gun point to vote for another 20 years and still might be in the same spot.

Trump should have gotten us out. I think he wimped out. He could have done infrastructure too. And legalized weed. After all his talk he followed the party bosses wishes unless it was about himself.

 

[aries]

no, sensationalism is all the talk about white supremacy and white supremacy terror groups, or how january 6 was worse attack on us since 9/11.

rise of islamic terrorism (especially since 9/11 and isis years) is a reality and it increased exponentially. also with internet and social media it was much easier for these groups to recruit new ppl

The numbers do not support your claim. The EU needs to focus on road safety to save lives and not focus so much on the compartively minuscule effect of Islamic terrorism.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Of course he is right about how the final stage of withdraw was handled. After American citizens are removed and safe, of course you should let some asylum seekers in.. ACTUAL asylum seekers.

 

[Zazen]

imagine supporting actual asylum seekers instead of central American fake ones.

Lmao, this is why nobody takes Trumptards seriously. If any fucking person on the left said this you'd call them a marxist/socialist/communist/whateverist but now because your orange god said this you must agree with it.

 

[grimballer]

The numbers do not support your claim. The EU needs to focus on road safety to save lives and not focus so much on the compartively minuscule effect of Islamic terrorism.

what numbers dont support my claim?

did you see numbers of islamic terrorism pre and post 9/11?

how about during isis era?

and what are you saying exactly?

nothing should be done about islamic terrorism cause they dont kill enough ppl according to you?

so if rape cases go up by 100%, do you go:

"thats odd, maybe something should be done about that spike"

or

"who cares? only small number of women are victims of rape anyways"

 

[aries]

what numbers dont support my claim?

did you see numbers of islamic terrorism pre and post 9/11?

how about during isis era?

and what are you saying exactly?

nothing should be done about islamic terrorism cause they dont kill enough ppl according to you?

so if rape cases go up by 100%, do you go:

"thats odd, maybe something should be done about that spike"

or

"who cares? only small number of women are victims of rape anyways"

Your logic is faulty. If some other group was getting raped by a factor of 200 times more then yes I'd say you'd need to look into that as a priority. Is another group of people getting raped 200 times as much? So no your numbers for Islamic terrorism are not that significant. Put resources into it but don't let it distract that there are things like Covid and traffic accidents that kill a lot more people than any Islamic terrorist.

Oh and just for fun 80,000 women were raped in the EU in 2015, which makes your 718 terrorist arrests in 2016 seem pretty small by comparison.

 

[grimballer]

Your logic is faulty. If some other group was getting raped by a factor of 200 times more then yes I'd say you'd need to look into that as a priority. Is another group of people getting raped 200 times as much? So no your numbers for Islamic terrorism are not that significant. Put resources into it but don't let it distract that there are things like Covid and traffic accidents that kill a lot more people than any Islamic terrorist.

youre comparing apples and oranges here

if you gonna completely eliminate cars and make ppl travel on foot, then sure youre "dealing" with completely eliminating car casualties. the reality is ppl accept that in modern society ppl drive cars to go places and accidents will/do happen. the good outweighs the bad with cars

on the other hand increase of islamic terrorism isn't something ppl "just have to get used to in modern world". theres no "good side" to islamic terrorism. its just bad. you do everything to minimize it. if you see an increase in islamic terrorism you address the situation, not pretend its not happening

 

[Joe]

Not surprising considering the media is lying to people about Afghanistan. Losing a war is always ugly, like it was in Vietnam. This will be irrelevant in few months and probably historically be the best thing any president has done in the past 20 years.

Imagine actually believing a right wing poll like that

 

[blaseblah]

Imagine actually believing a right wing poll like that

It's not like his approval rating is slipping or anything. This is not a knock on Biden, it's just pointing out what is happening. This is a temporary cost of being the guy to officially lose a war that someone else started.