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Trump/Clinton officially TIED in latest poll

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And he hasnt even started on her folks

They're both tied at 38-38 as of THIS MORNING IN THE LATEST POLL

SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FOR TRUMP

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/


As a public service to the forum since this thread aims to discuss the most current national polls for the general election:
- Madmick
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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i wonder what Cher's take will have on this

 
GE polls are useless at this stage of the election but it's going to be alot closer than people are willing to admit
 
This is from rasmussen, the polling outfit that was tilting something like 12% republican compared to the norm at this stage in 2008 and 2012 and predicting romney and mccain blowouts. Keep your pants on.
 
TheStruggle said:
GE polls are useless at this stage of the election but it's going to be alot closer than people are willing to admit
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Alomst half the country are republicans and half democrats. You basically have to win over a small percentage of voters in certain states to win. Most polls are always gonna indicate that.
 
This may be the first election since I have been of age that I'm not voting in. It's either that or the hipster Independent vote.
 
Diamond Jim said:
Alomst half the country are republicans and half democrats. You basically have to win over a small percentage of voters in certain states to win. Most polls are always gonna indicate that.
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I mean the election is in November, alot is going to be done and said in 6 months so GE polls in April are irrelevant
 
I have a bad feeling shillary is going to win, and if she does, I can't wait to say " I told you so" after she fucks everything up.
 
TheStruggle said:
GE polls are useless at this stage of the election but it's going to be alot closer than people are willing to admit
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That doesn't matter because they're more relevant than ever. The reason is that party towing is a predictable thing. If Trump secures the nomination, or rather if there is the misperception that he has secured it, as seems to be the case following a week with 6 primaries spanning his strongest region, then you see those who would never vote Democrat or never vote Republican quickly jump on board. What those earlier polls give you is a genuine indication of how the voters in the middle actually feel about a candidate, and the GOP voters (yes, the majority of them) hate Donald Trump. Hillary may have high unfavorability in national polls when she's down, but she and Bernie are both beat up right now (he is also down double digit points), not perpetually the way Trump is, and when they're up they're both quite popular with Democrats. Trump has NEVER polled well with Republicans. Never.

So what those early polls give you, and where this Rasmussen poll misleads (and I'm speaking about where it misleads separate to its right-wing bias) is that it gives you no indication of their peaks and lows within their party and the general electorate, and it doesn't give you an honest portrayal of a candidate's actual appeal across his party.

You want to distort that to sell Trump as more electable, but all the lipstick at the fair won't hide this pig.
 
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me again how the superdelegates aren't going to give Bernie the nomination after the FBI recommendation, and Clinton's poll numbers continue to fall...........................
 
Madmick said:
That doesn't matter because they're more relevant than ever. The reason is that party towing is a predictable thing. If Trump secures the nomination, or rather if there is the misperception that he has secured it, as seems to be the case following a week with 6 primaries spanning his strongest region, then you see those who would never vote Democrat or never vote Republican quickly jump on board. What those earlier polls give you is a genuine indication of how the voters in the middle actually feel about a candidate, and the GOP voters (yes, the majority of them) hate Donald Trump. Hillary may have high unfavorability in national polls when she's down, but she and Bernie are both beat up right now (he is also down double digit points), not perpetually the way Trump is, and when they're up they're both quite popular with Democrats. Trump has NEVER polled well with Republicans. Never.

So what those early polls give you, and where this Rasmussen poll misleads (and I'm speaking about where it misleads separate to its right-wing bias) is that it gives you no indication of their peaks and lows within their party and the general electorate, and it doesn't give you an honest portrayal of a candidate's actual appeal across his party.

You want to distort that to sell Trump as more electable, but all the lipstick at the fair won't hide this pig.
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Neither will all the lipstick in the world, hide the pig that is Hillary Clinton.

Everyone needs to look at this poll again and realize that Hillary Clinton is such a weak candidate, that with the MSM engaging in a all out hit job against Trump, and giving minimal to no coverage of Clinton's most damaging scandals, that they are tied in a national poll.
 
HendoRuaGOAT said:
Neither will all the lipstick in the world, hide the pig that is Hillary Clinton.

Everyone needs to look at this poll again and realize that Hillary Clinton is such a weak candidate, that with the MSM engaging in a all out hit job against Trump, and giving minimal to no coverage of Clinton's most damaging scandals, that they are tied in a national poll.
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No. I'm afraid you're just wrong. Trump and Hillary can't be equivocated.

Hillary's all-time worst disfavorability among the Democrats is nearly double digits better than Trump's all-time best with the GOP. Furthermore, do you know which demographic tends to dominate late-deciding voters? Women and independent centrists. Know which group tends to actually show up when the actual voting takes place? The elderly. Hillary is ironclad with all of those demographics. Take in all that before we come to the fact that current favorability, polling the general population, puts the Democrats at 45% and the GOP at 32%. This reflects the fissure in the GOP that is currently threatening to fracture the convention, but also just the general truth that left-leaning voters appear to outnumber right-leaning voters in a head count.

We haven't even touched the delegate map. Go find some prediction maps for the electoral vote. Yeah, remember that's how this actually gets counted. This was something that Trump supporters, and even Trump's campaign itself, in their enthusiastic ignorance, failed to grasp at the cost of delegate votes in these primaries, and which may cost him the first ticket majority, and ultimately the nomination itself. Hillary is nice and cozy.
 
Madmick said:
No. I'm afraid you're just wrong. Trump and Hillary can't be equivocated.

Hillary's all-time worst disfavorability among the Democrats is nearly double digits better than Trump's all-time best with the GOP. Furthermore, do you know which demographic tends to dominate late-deciding voters? Women and independent centrists. Know which group tends to actually show up when the actual voting takes place? The elderly. Hillary is ironclad with all of those demographics. Take in all that before we come to the fact that current favorability, polling the general population, puts the Democrats at 45% and the GOP at 32%. This reflects the fissure in the GOP that is currently threatening to fracture the convention, but also just the general truth that left-leaning voters appear to outnumber right-leaning voters in a head count.

We haven't even touched the delegate map. Go find some prediction maps for the electoral vote. Yeah, remember that's how this actually gets counted. This was something that Trump supporters, and even Trump's campaign itself, in their enthusiastic ignorance, failed to grasp at the cost of delegate votes in these primaries, and which may cost him the first ticket majority, and ultimately the nomination itself. Hillary is nice and cozy.
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Hillary does great with Democrats, she does horribly with everyone else. Trump does great with Independents.

If you want to look at things through a limited scope, it is easy to make an argument that supports a point of view.

The fact is that they are tied in national polls, and the RNC has spent 20 years branding Hillary as the most dangerous politician ever. Republicans will rally behind Trump against Clinton. Most Dems will rally behind Clinton. This election has always been, and will always be, about the 20% of actual Independents that change their votes.

Whatever R's refuse to vote for Trump, will be easily matched by Bernie supporters that won't vote for Clinton.

We will see a 3rd party candidate with 10% + support this election.
 
HendoRuaGOAT said:
Hillary does great with Democrats, she does horribly with everyone else. Trump does great with Independents.
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No, Trump does great with right-leaning, white, blue-collar independents. The type who would vote for Cruz if he became nominee simply because he isn't Hillary and he isn't a Democrat. Basically, the mirror of independents that tend to support Hillary. Independent centrists overwhelmingly abhor Trump in favor of literally any other candidate. Hillary will gladly gobble up these voters she usually doesn't win simply because she isn't rabble-rousing.
If you want to look at things through a limited scope, it is easy to make an argument that supports a point of view.

The fact is that they are tied in national polls, and the RNC has spent 20 years branding Hillary as the most dangerous politician ever. Republicans will rally behind Trump against Clinton. Most Dems will rally behind Clinton. This election has always been, and will always be, about the 20% of actual Independents that change their votes.

Whatever R's refuse to vote for Trump, will be easily matched by Bernie supporters that won't vote for Clinton.

We will see a 3rd party candidate with 10% + support this election.
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FFS, just gonna stop and backhand you right there. They are not tied in national polls. They are tied in this Rasmussen poll. Hillary is a whopping +7.3 in the RCP average:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
 
Madmick said:
No, Trump does great with right-leaning, white, blue-collar independents. The type who would vote for Cruz if he became nominee simply because he isn't Hillary and he isn't a Democrat. Basically, the mirror of independents that tend to support Hillary. Independent centrists overwhelmingly abhor Trump in favor of literally any other candidate. Hillary will gladly gobble up these voters she usually doesn't win simply because she isn't rabble-rousing.

FFS, just gonna stop and backhand you right there. They are not tied in national polls. They are tied in this Rasmussen poll. Hillary is a whopping +7.3 in the RCP average:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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I don't think you guys understand why people become Independents. Most people who make this choice have abandoned a party, due to the party's actions. Hillary Clinton represents those actions that turn people into Independents.

You don't identify as an Independent because you are happy with the status quo, establishment center.

As I have said all along, if this ends up Trump v Hillary, this election will be decided by who can define the narrative. If it is about Trump, he is in trouble. If it is about Clinton she is in trouble.

Considering that the MSM can't stop giving Trump wall to wall coverage, in the way that a heroine addict can't stop using heroine, I feel like Trump is going to have a pretty easy time defining the narrative.
 
trump will beat hillary.. this is why hillary was going after trump long before he was close to clinching any nomination ..

why go after him if he's an easy out .. she should've been rooting him on .. but she knows .. because she does not want to face him for whatever reason .. he probably has dirt on her that no one else is aware of .. he will destroy her and expose her in the public eye .. trump is not cuck romney or cuck mccain or cuck sanders ..

hillary is a damaged, known, old political entity .. she will be retired by the american people in nov .. just like jeb bush was retired .. some of you are in denial and cannot look past your blind hatred of trump .. trump is now a legitimate presidential candidate .. something that many of you completely dismissed and laughed off months back .. now that your predictions were utter failures, you're all moving the goal post to the ge election
 
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